We are not to hurt anyone for any reason.

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Thirty years ago Jesus told me to get more into the Word. I told him that I was into the Word. Meaning I was into him. He told me also the Written Word.

So if someone teaches exactly what the word says, with no deviation whatsoever, are they incorrect?


Also, understand that I know your reasoning on this. I was the same way when I started to get serious about Christ. I was afraid of being herded along into some random denomination so I did most of my study independantly.

 

[Giver]

So if someone teaches exactly what the word says, with no deviation whatsoever, are they incorrect?


Also, understand that I know your reasoning on this. I was the same way when I started to get serious about Christ. I was afraid of being herded along into some random denomination so I did most of my study independantly.

Thirty years ago Jesus told me to get more into the Word. I told him that I was into the Word. Meaning I was into him. He told me also the Written Word.


I don’t believe you understand what has happened to me at all. After I accept Jesus’ call I wanted nothing more than to be part of the church. I had no idea what Jesus was calling me to do. I never wanted to know more than what I had been taught by my church. I was a life insurance agent and had three children. I liked handball, skiing, camping with my family, bicycling, golfing, and making money. I went to Mass and Communion everyday and was the president of my churches lay group. After God healed my third daughter who was born blind I really took Jesus’ call seriously. I never wanted any ministry. In fact when the Holy Spirit let me know that I would lose everything I owned if I gave my life to Jesus I started sweating. I didn’t want to lose everything. It took me a long time to become finically successful. I lost everything, even my friends, brother and sisters, and my possessions. I am seventy-three year old and still work for a living. No savings and living from pay check to pay check.

I have not studied the Bible or anyone’s theology. I read the Bible often and listen to it more. Jesus/Holy Spirit teaches me using the Bible.

My real message to the Christian Church is: no matter who tells you anything about God you are to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.

 

[mooduck1]

I would not answer any thing Luther wrote. I would never read anything he wrote, for two reasons. First I don’t believe he was a man of God. Next When I asked Jesus what seminary to attend he told me “NO! Don’t read about me I’ll teach you about me.”

I would just like to point out that it is largely due to that ''ungodly" man that you can say some of the things that's you've said in this string (heck what I'VE" said too) without actually being afraid of someone hunting us down and burning us at the stake for heresy. That being said, the other reason to read some of his writings from you're point of view, might be at least, to know your enemy since a very large segment of the "Christian" population follows his spirit lead interpretation of scriptures.

 

[Giver]

I would just like to point out that it is largely due to that ''ungodly" man that you can say some of the things that's you've said in this string (heck what I'VE" said too) without actually being afraid of someone hunting us down and burning us at the stake for heresy. That being said, the other reason to read some of his writings from you're point of view, might be at least, to know your enemy since a very large segment of the "Christian" population follows his spirit lead interpretation of scriptures.

If Luther’s writings were spirit led then they would have been in line with the Word of God. They were not. Sin and War are two places that he was misled. War is part of this thread, but sin needs to be discussed some other time.

 

[Zecryphon]

If Luther’s writings were spirit led then they would have been in line with the Word of God. They were not. Sin and War are two places that he was misled. War is part of this thread, but sin needs to be discussed some other time.

"If Luther’s writings were spirit led then they would have been in line with the Word of God. They were not."

Contrast that statement with this one:

I would not answer any thing Luther wrote. I would never read anything he wrote,

How can a man who has said he would never read anything Luther wrote, know that what Luther wrote did not line up with the written word of God? Giver, how can you say that Luther's writings were not in line with the word of God, when you haven't read them?

Sin and War are two places that he was misled. War is part of this thread, but sin needs to be discussed some other time.

Good show us how Luther was misled regarding war. But to do that you'd have to read something he wrote. Oh well. Guess you'll just have to continue making unfounded and unsupported statements about a person whom you know NOTHING about. But that's what you do best after all, isn't it?

 

[Giver]

Contrast that statement with this one:



How can a man who has said he would never read anything Luther wrote, know that what Luther wrote did not line up with the written word of God? Giver, how can you say that Luther's writings were not in line with the word of God, when you haven't read them?

I went to a Lutheran Church for some time. I heard what they taught at Mass. Also I have been in discussions with Lutheran ministers.



Good show us how Luther was misled regarding war. But to do that you'd have to read something he wrote. Oh well. Guess you'll just have to continue making unfounded and unsupported statements about a person whom you know NOTHING about. But that's what you do best after all, isn't it?

(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”

(John 10:14-16) “I am the good shepherd; I know my own and my own know me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for my sheep. And there are other sheep I have that are not of this fold, and these I have to lead as well. They too will listen to my voice, and there will be only one flock, and one shepherd.

 

[Zecryphon]

(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”

(John 10:14-16) “I am the good shepherd; I know my own and my own know me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for my sheep. And there are other sheep I have that are not of this fold, and these I have to lead as well. They too will listen to my voice, and there will be only one flock, and one shepherd.

I went to a Lutheran Church for some time. I heard what they taught at Mass. Also I have been in discussions with Lutheran ministers.

Then you'll have no problem showing how what Luther wrote does not line up with scripture. Anytime you're ready, you may begin. Or you could just withdraw your lie about Luther.

 

[Giver]

Then you'll have no problem showing how what Luther wrote does not line up with scripture. Anytime you're ready, you may begin. Or you could just withdraw your lie about Luther.

I am not going to waste my time doing any In-depth discussion of any theologian. In Luther’s case, as far as I know, he didn’t come against war. From what I know, he didn’t promote the gifts of the Holy Spirit. As far as I am concerned if the Holy Spirit led him he didn’t follow him. That is my opinion. Also I don’t believe this thread is about Luther.

I am sure there are books written for and against Martin Luther. Personally when someone uses a saying from him I ignore it.



When someone uses a saying from him I ignore it.

 

[Zecryphon]

I am not going to waste my time doing any In-depth discussion of any theologian. In Luther’s case, as far as I know, he didn’t come against war. From what I know, he didn’t promote the gifts of the Holy Spirit. As far as I am concerned if the Holy Spirit led him he didn’t follow him. That is my opinion. Also I don’t believe this thread is about Luther.

I am sure there are books written for and against Martin Luther. Personally when someone uses a saying from him I ignore it.



When someone uses a saying from him I ignore it.

"I am not going to waste my time doing any In-depth discussion of any theologian."

I wouldn't either if I didn't know what I was talking about. This is a wise move on your part.

"In Luther’s case, as far as I know, he didn’t come against war. From what I know, he didn’t promote the gifts of the Holy Spirit. As far as I am concerned if the Holy Spirit led him he didn’t follow him. That is my opinion. Also I don’t believe this thread is about Luther."

Has it ever crossed your mind that the Holy Spirit had other uses for Luther? Luther took a stern stance against the peasants when the peasants revolted in 1524. See this excerpt from Against the Murderous, Thieving Hordes of Peasants (1525).

Whosoever can, should smite, strangle, and stab, secretly or publicly, and should remember that there is nothing more poisonous, pernicious, and devilish than a rebellious man... the Gospel does not make goods common, except in the case of those who do of their own free will what the apostles and disciples did in Acts IV. They did not demand, as do our insane peasants in their raging, that the goods of others - of a Pilate and a Herod - should be common, but only their own goods. Our peasants, however, would have other men's goods common, and keep their own goods for themselves. Fine Christians these! I think there is not a devil left in hell; they have all gone into the peasants. "[58]

Also, promotion of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is not what makes a person indwelt with the Holy Spirit.

"I am sure there are books written for and against Martin Luther. Personally when someone uses a saying from him I ignore it."

That says alot about you and it's not good. You should be fair and open-minded Giver. You should investigate all claims and see if they are true. Investigate your own about Luther, but in the mean time you should really retract your lie about him.