We are not to hurt anyone for any reason.

[tapero]

When I shared with my wife that Jesus told me we were not to hurt anyone for any reason her reaction was much as yours. She asked me if someone came into our house and was going to rape her, what would I do? I told her that I would not hurt him. She angrily left the room. I didn’t discuss it with her any more. My job isn’t to convince anyone of anything. I knew though, that she would go to Jesus and ask him if I was right. She did and came back and told me she would not want me to hurt him.

ah, you've taken the bible out of context and are putting one truth on a pedestal and denying others.

God gave us common sense brother, and you are to protect your spouse. Read the love chapter, 1 cor 13, and elsewhere.

You are taking one bit, wholly out of context and you are saying this is my truth.

So what's your take on this bit:

Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?"
"Nothing," they answered.
36He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

and while your at it, someone comes in the house, your wife who you will not do your godly obligation to protect is not home but your 2 year old grandchild is.

and they come in and are raping that child, you let such occur as well?

i let the wife be out of the house, so as not to trouble you as we knwo you give no care about her in the least, so answer on the grandchild bit.

his time to be raped?

 

[tapero]

When I shared with my wife that Jesus told me we were not to hurt anyone for any reason her reaction was much as yours. She asked me if someone came into our house and was going to rape her, what would I do? I told her that I would not hurt him. She angrily left the room. I didn’t discuss it with her any more. My job isn’t to convince anyone of anything. I knew though, that she would go to Jesus and ask him if I was right. She did and came back and told me she would not want me to hurt him.

yeah, i believe such.

same occurs wherever bad teaching is, false teaching leads to more believing false stuff, so now insteadt of your wife being washed with the word and you as her spiritual leader, you have taken the role to give basically
the same teaching that a bad church would give, and i wonder what else is there.

and back to military and police, why do you deny that truth as well.. God gave us people to protect us and is in the word as well.

see you have to wrap whatever untruths you believe, which are out of context, and you have to shape your whole belief system around such to make it fit your world.

sorry to come down on you, but is for others sake who read this so that they dont err as you do at least in the few things so far that you've given.

which are fairly serious bits.

Do you know military slogan,

God and country..

you think that's for nothing? Do you know how many believers are in the military and how many believers are in the business of protecting others.

why even have police?

any police in your town?

ever have to call em?

ever need em?

ever thankful for em?


you are either under false teaching in your church or you have come to these truths on your own. i pick the first, as is where it normally comes from, then, yeah, i see that and one goes by the hate and lies of the teacher.

 

[mont974x4]

Jesus personally told me that we were not to hurt anyone for any reason.

The written Word of God tells us the same thing.

(Matthew 5:44) “But I say this to you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you;”

(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

When God tells us something it is very dangerous to ignore what he says. Right?

Do you ignore the fact that God commanded war in the OT? That God gave authority to wage war and punish criminals to governments? That no where in Scripture are we told to not join the military, join the police force, serve on juries? Do you forget the godly men who waged war in the OT? Samson? Gideon? David? Joshua? What about the saints waging war, fighting alongside Christ, in the final battle?


The ultimate, and most basic aspect, of being a peacemaker is to obey the Great Commission. That does not negate war or capital punishment. Nor does it negate my place asa husband and father to provide a safe and secure home for my family.

These concepts are not at odds.

 

[Giver]

Do you ignore the fact that God commanded war in the OT? That God gave authority to wage war and punish criminals to governments? That no where in Scripture are we told to not join the military, join the police force, serve on juries? Do you forget the godly men who waged war in the OT? Samson? Gideon? David? Joshua? What about the saints waging war, fighting alongside Christ, in the final battle?


The ultimate, and most basic aspect, of being a peacemaker is to obey the Great Commission. That does not negate war or capital punishment. Nor does it negate my place asa husband and father to provide a safe and secure home for my family.

These concepts are not at odds.

Jesus told us he came to complete the Law. So I will quote again what he changed about killing. Jesus addressed the Old Testament teachings when he said: (Matthew 5:43-44) “You have learnt how it was said, you must love your neighbor and hate your enemy, but I say this to you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” And, (Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

Now most Christians since Constantine have ignored what Jesus taught about killing and instead bought into man’s teachings. It seem man would rather trust in their weapons and government then God.

The World because it doesn’t know God needs a police force and army. The government makes laws and laws are for the lawless. Christians don’t need laws.

 

[HisbyAdoption]

Oh Giver if you would not protect your wife how can you say that you would lay your life down for someone else? For Christ came to die for us who did not even know HIm and yet you say you would not even take a stand against evil against your wife? This is not Christs love but passive love..

 

[lighthousekid]

Jesus personally told me that we were not to hurt anyone for any reason.

The written Word of God tells us the same thing.

(Matthew 5:44) “But I say this to you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you;”

(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

When God tells us something it is very dangerous to ignore what he says. Right?

We have to bless and pray for our enemies, and everybody. However that does not mean not to stand up for truth. I think both attitudes are not incompatible.

 

[Giver]

We have to bless and pray for our enemies, and everybody. However that does not mean not to stand up for truth. I think both attitudes are not incompatible.

What you think does not make right. We are to hear God’s Word and live it. He is the boss and when he says jump we are to jump. We are not in a position to ask why. He once told me to stop trying to figure him out and just follow him.

 

[Giver]

Oh Giver if you would not protect your wife how can you say that you would lay your life down for someone else? For Christ came to die for us who did not even know HIm and yet you say you would not even take a stand against evil against your wife? This is not Christs love but passive love..

Who said anything about giving or not giving ones life? My understanding is we are talking about not hurting/killing anyone. I have trusted Jesus to take care of my family and me for many years. You know what, we all have been taken care of, my daughter was blind and God healed her. Another daughter had cancer and God healed her. No one has been raped or hurt by anyone. Now not even the US Government with all it’s armed forces could have done as much.

 

[HisbyAdoption]

Who said anything about giving or not giving ones life? My understanding is we are talking about not hurting/killing anyone. I have trusted Jesus to take care of my family and me for many years. You know what, we all have been taken care of, my daughter was blind and God healed her. Another daughter had cancer and God healed her. No one has been raped or hurt by anyone. Now not even the US Government with all it’s armed forces could have done as much.

Yes and praise God for all His healing power. But when it comes to protecting your family what does God say about this? What is it that husband is to be to his wife and family? Passive? Or Leader?

 

[HisbyAdoption]

Jesus is a true shepherd Giver.. Now do you really believe that a true shepherd would not stand in defense against a wolf that was coming to tear one of His sheep apart? Read the full counsel of the word.

 

[Giver]

Jesus is a true shepherd Giver.. Now do you really believe that a true shepherd would not stand in defense against a wolf that was coming to tear one of His sheep apart? Read the full counsel of the word.

Have you read where Jesus said he is our Shepard?

My first step in my walk in Jesus’ ministry was to move my family into an intercity ghetto. This was a very high crime area. Jesus told me that he would take care of us, and no harm would come to us and nothing would be stolen. My wife was the only woman in this neighborhood who dared take a walk alone at night.

You see I am the head of my family, and Jesus is our protector.

 

[HisbyAdoption]

Yes.. I can show you where Jesus is our Shepherd..
Joh 10:11 "I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.
Joh 10:12 "He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them.
Joh 10:13 "He flees because he is a hired hand and is not concerned about the sheep.
Joh 10:14 "I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me,
Joh 10:15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
You are the leader of you family.. You are to lead them into all truth. Look at a shepherd and see what a shepherd does.. This is whom we are to follow.

 

[HisbyAdoption]

I am not saying that Jesus is not your protector.. I am saying however that at times we may need to stand in for the innocence of others.

 

[lighthousekid]

What you think does not make right. We are to hear God’s Word and live it. He is the boss and when he says jump we are to jump. We are not in a position to ask why. He once told me to stop trying to figure him out and just follow him.

I know that what I think does not make it right.

Yet you have just implied that it is impossible to stand up for truth without hurting others. And that position is contradictory with your very being here. Because if they are mutually exclusive you are either not standing for truth or either hurting somebody. In other words that to stand up for truth you'd have to hurt people. Unless you prove me otherwise, it does not hold water to me.

 

[lighthousekid]

Goodbye, see you all on Saturday. I have set up a schedule, by which I will post here only on Mon, Weds and Sat, starting today. See you, have fun, and try not to hate each other in my absence.

 

[Giver]

I am not saying that Jesus is not your protector.. I am saying however that at times we may need to stand in for the innocence of others.

I know what you are saying, but you are wrong, and you can’t show me where Jesus, the New Testament Word, says you are right. You most likely, are coming from modern day teachings (teachers), and their lack of faith, trust in Jesus.

 

[Giver]

I know that what I think does not make it right.

Yet you have just implied that it is impossible to stand up for truth without hurting others. And that position is contradictory with your very being here. Because if they are mutually exclusive you are either not standing for truth or either hurting somebody. In other words that to stand up for truth you'd have to hurt people. Unless you prove me otherwise, it does not hold water to me.

I used the words that Jesus spoke to me. He used hurt, and he knew that my understanding would be harm/kill, now why he use hurt I don’t know. But it never entered my mind that he meant anything other then harm/kill. I believe most people who I say this to take the meaning to be harm/kill also.

A doctor gives a person a shot and it hurts, but I knew Jesus wasn’t talking about that kind of hurt, or emotional hurts either. Even though I don’t believe we have a right to deliberately go out to cause emotional hurts. That would not be very loving. Doing what Jesus has asked me to do does cause some people to hurt, but that in not my intention. I am sure the doctor doesn’t give the shot to cause hurt.

 

[mont974x4]

False teachings/bad theology do hurt.

 

[Calminian]

Jesus personally told me that we were not to hurt anyone for any reason.

The written Word of God tells us the same thing.

(Matthew 5:44) “But I say this to you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you;”

(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

When God tells us something it is very dangerous to ignore what he says. Right?

In context Jesus was addressing conduct among fellow villagers, not foreign national enemy combatants. Some of the people in his day were using eye for eye legislation to justify insult for insult (i.e. a slap on the cheek). Jesus was merely pointing out that the wise man overlooks an insult just as the old testament already pointed out. Love your enemy was also an old testament principal. (Prov. 25:21) In regard to war and self defense, Jesus took a very different tone.

Luke 22:36 And He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it along, likewise also a bag, and let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one.

In the modern vernacular He might have said, "keep plenty of cash and survival supplies on you. And if you don't have a handgun, sell some of your designer clothes and buy one!" No doubt in my mind Jesus would have supported the 2nd amendment.

 

[Giver]

In context Jesus was addressing conduct among fellow villagers, not foreign national enemy combatants. Some of the people in his day were using eye for eye legislation to justify insult for insult (i.e. a slap on the cheek). Jesus was merely pointing out that the wise man overlooks an insult just as the old testament already pointed out. Love your enemy was also an old testament principal. (Prov. 25:21) In regard to war and self defense, Jesus took a very different tone.

Luke 22:36 And He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it along, likewise also a bag, and let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one.

In the modern vernacular He might have said, "keep plenty of cash and survival supplies on you. And if you don't have a handgun, sell some of your designer clothes and buy one!" No doubt in my mind Jesus would have supported the 2nd amendment.

Well you have accepted the watered down version of those two verses. I wonder if you can find enough water to water down the following verse?
(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”

I have posted this already in this thread, but you must not have read it so here it is again. You use that passage to discredit all that Jesus and Paul said about killing. Why do you think Jesus said that’s enough when he was told they had two swords? Would two swords be enough to defend all the disciples? I don’t believe there are any serious theologians who would ever agree with your interpretation.