We Are Not in the Last Days

[Hammster]

Honestly, I could care less. I'm 70 in a couple of months. I'm glad I won't be around to see the catastrophes that precede the kingdom of God. The church is going backwards, not forwards. I do believe that the Lord Jesus is building His church and that she will prevail. I find it hard to see how that will include Christians in the Western world, who resemble Laodicea.

The reality is that no one really knows. I saw the question asked and I answered. If I'm wrong, it will change nothing. If I'm right, it will change nothing.

I have more faith in the King and His promises. Because of that, I not only pray for my children, but my grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

Keep in mind that the church isn’t going backwards. The wheat far outweighs the tares. We just need to wait until the harvest.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

17 “‘In the last days, God says,

from creation to Jesus 4000 years or 4 days of the cosmic week thus we are in the last two days of the cosmic week before Jesus returns at the end of the sixth thousand years, therefor we are in the last days (plural over two)

Define day from Jesus's perspective not mans

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day

Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

 

[Randy777]

We know the beast or man of lawlessness or antichrist will rule the last 42 months as He is destroyed by a coming of Jesus and His armies at the great battle of God Almighty. Rev 16:15

If you want a sign that can't be mistaken I would state Rev 11 is such a sign. 1260 days as I read. The witnesses are finally allowed to be over powered and killed by the beast who is at that point in the world and in Jerusalem. The beast will make war with the saints. Those who hold to the testimony of Jesus and obey God's commandments.

 

[Jaxxi]

40 years ago, there were fewer people. The Western world was still basically democratic. China was little threat to the stability of the world. There was no Al Qaeda or any of its offshoots. Iran was not making nuclear weapons to destroy Israel. North Korea had no nukes, neither did India or Pakistan. Lebanon was at peace, Libya likewise.

America used to be the bastion of democracy and free speech. Not any more. It's headed towards Marxist socialism. It's by degrees, but that's how democracy is undermined. I don't know how long we have. All I'm saying is that the signs are there.

They are aren't they. I grew up in the 80's and it has changed a lot since then even but I think the 70's rock movement brought about the most change really, as music and attitudes went from Janis Joplin to Black Sabbath and we entered a time for some dark music that influenced so many. The rise of pornography gave us Ted Bundy and other serial killers. The earlier times saw Mafia crimes and such, but the 50's seemed more wholesome really. I mean politically, who was the last President who really cared about the people? JFK? Ronald Reagan? I think FDR did a fantastic job for what he was faced with, and Eleanor was the best First lady of all time. Times have changed A LOT, and it makes me wonder, how much further can a society decay? Trust me, I know it can get a lot worse and will. May Our Lord have mercy on us all.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I disagree

So you are saying that the 50's were a more dangerous time than say today?
I don't know. When I talked with my grandparents, they made it sound like times were more innocent back then. Yes, people sinned, etc. but it seems to me that things are getting morally worse and not better. This would even be within the church, as well. Yes, the crusades are not happening right now, but there is another unseen war that is even worse. It is the acceptance of sin while one can think they can also serve God. This is what 2 Timothy 3:1-9 warns us against. Men shall be lovers of their own selves. Men will have a form of godliness and they will deny the power thereof. I can see this all around me today. And guess what? It will only get worse and not better. I know because Jesus said as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of man. Many just do not want to believe all of our Lord's words on this matter.

 

[Hammster]

So you are saying that the 50's were a more dangerous time than say today?
I don't know. When I talked with my grandparents, they made it sound like times were more innocent back then. Yes, people sinned, etc. but it seems to me that things are getting morally worse and not better. This would even be within the church, as well. Yes, the crusades are not happening right now, but there is another unseen war that is even worse. It is the acceptance of sin while one can think they can also serve God. This is what 2 Timothy 3:1-9 warns us against. Men shall be lovers of their own selves. Men will have a form of godliness and they will deny the power thereof. I can see this all around me today. And guess what? It will only get worse and not better. I know because Jesus said as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of man. Many just do not want to believe all of our Lord's words on this matter.

First, what’s happening today isn’t relevant to what Paul told Timothy. Second, what exactly is being described when referring to the days of Noah? People living normal lives.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Then it would not be in the days of Noah because they did these things throughout all of human history. There has to be an indication or marker that highlights the days of Noah as being different.

“And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;” (2 peter 2:5-6). So the global flood, and Sodom and Gomorrha are examples to all who live ungodly thereafter. For in Genesis 6, we learn this:

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.” (Genesis 6:5-6).

We are in that place now. The wickedness of man is growing greater upon this earth. Unfortunately, this wickedness has even invaded many churches today. It's why in Revelation 2-3 only two churches got it right out of seven churches. This is why Jesus said narrow is the way that leads unto life and FEW be there that find it. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 describes exactly what is going on today (Whether one accepts that truth or not). Nowhere does 2 Timothy 3:1-9 describe an event that was exclusive to the time of Timothy. We see the fulfillment of these things today.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Even the reformed Christian movie director (Rich Christiano) recognizes 2 Timothy 3:1-9 as happening today. For he used this passage as a part of a key scene in his film called, “Time Changer.” Really a powerful movie (even though the director does not promote Calvinism in any of his films as of to this date).

 

[lismore]

from creation to Jesus 4000 years or 4 days of the cosmic week thus we are in the last two days of the cosmic week before Jesus returns at the end of the sixth thousand years, therefor we are in the last days (plural over two)

Hi Camper. Thanks for the interesting reply! Great user name BTW. God Bless You

 

[Hammster]

Then it would not be in the days of Noah because they did these things throughout all of human history. There has to be an indication or marker that highlights the days of Noah as being different.

“And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;” (2 peter 2:5-6). So the global flood, and Sodom and Gomorrha are examples to all who live ungodly thereafter. For in Genesis 6, we learn this:

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.” (Genesis 6:5-6).

We are in that place now. The wickedness of man is growing greater upon this earth. Unfortunately, this wickedness has even invaded many churches today. It's why in Revelation 2-3 only two churches got it right out of seven churches. This is why Jesus said narrow is the way that leads unto life and FEW be there that find it. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 describes exactly what is going on today (Whether one accepts that truth or not). Nowhere does 2 Timothy 3:1-9 describe an event that was exclusive to the time of Timothy. We see the fulfillment of these things today.

For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
— Matthew 24:38

That’s how the days of Noah was described. Normal life.

 

[Hammster]

Even the reformed Christian movie director (Rich Christiano) recognizes 2 Timothy 3:1-9 as happening today. For he used this passage as a part of a key scene in his film called, “Time Changer.” Really a powerful movie (even though the director does not promote Calvinism in any of his films as of to this date).

Whether or not it happens today is irrelevant. It was written for Timothy in his time. So it’s no more a sign of the coming of Christ now as it was in then.

 

[Philip1993]

Hey friends in Christ!

My experiences believe that the end times are to be found by many signs. In our world today, it may be hard to get to.. and maybe never gotten to at all. The end times reveal to many not few. People who understand what the vision tells us may find it in their hearts and souls at times but may be wondering in the wrong direction for themselves.

All I can understand is that if we protect ourselves from what may come with the end times (not only vision and word in the Bible, itself) we may figure out a way to see what is meant to be.

Many things have reached an "end" or considered over and gone in my life. Unable to really figure out for myself I can search furthermore into the world and through the Bible with others. As our Lord shows His mastery through the eyes of our God instead of our own, we find what we are indeed "beholding" so to speak.

Maybe some of us take precaution for what is known through His word and find what must not be swept under the rug.

Maybe some of us seem to be living under a rock instead of truly safe in the cliffs known through John's vision.

Sometimes I think our way of life is over because of leftover signs held amongst our race through 100 billion lives before us. Certainly different now (7 billion lives) than it naturally was to begin with. Sending our way of life into a state of possibly done, over, ending so to speak. Maybe it is maybe it isn't. All I know is that we can't figure it out all by ourselves as God will have His word upon humanity over a personal experience thinking that humanity is found outside our doorsteps, alone. This is the end of something made by Him long, long ago for goodness sake.

With our silent world living with rules and guidelines that may risk any complete sense out of something disturbing such as the end times.. we just have to decide for ourselves and find more upon our journey ahead. As God teaches us from what He sees in us all we can indeed find more than what may be heard in our world today.

Upon nonbelievers and blasphemers. Missing out on things that might come to pass and never really found by another again. Leaving it to those who believe in Jesus Christ to live with company through their journey into things much, much more. Even less sometimes, honestly.

 

[lismore]

That’s how the days of Noah was described. Normal life.

Apart from the old geezer building a huge boat

 

[Lost4words]

So you are saying that the 50's were a more dangerous time than say today?
I don't know. When I talked with my grandparents, they made it sound like times were more innocent back then. Yes, people sinned, etc. but it seems to me that things are getting morally worse and not better. This would even be within the church, as well. Yes, the crusades are not happening right now, but there is another unseen war that is even worse. It is the acceptance of sin while one can think they can also serve God. This is what 2 Timothy 3:1-9 warns us against. Men shall be lovers of their own selves. Men will have a form of godliness and they will deny the power thereof. I can see this all around me today. And guess what? It will only get worse and not better. I know because Jesus said as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of man. Many just do not want to believe all of our Lord's words on this matter.

Was WW2 a more dangerous time than now?

Was the holocaust a more dangerous time than now?

Was the persecution of Christians in the early centuries more dangerous than now?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Apart from the old geezer building a huge boat

and he did preach the coming of the Flood for some years while building the ark and warning the people of its coming.

But they scoffed at him and were lost

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Was WW2 a more dangerous time than now?

Was the holocaust a more dangerous time than now?

Was the persecution of Christians in the early centuries more dangerous than now?

Not sure you understand where I am coming from. I am talking about the general moral decay of mankind itself. Things are getting darker. In the last days perilous times will come. Things will grow worse and worse before our Lord’s return. If you knew of all of the dark sinful things that are going on in this world, it would make you believe we truly are in the last days.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Was WW2 a more dangerous time than now?

Was the holocaust a more dangerous time than now?

Was the persecution of Christians in the early centuries more dangerous than now?

I believe many do not want to see that we are in the last days is because it would require them to change their lives in following the Lord more seriously.

 

[Hammster]

Not sure you understand where I am coming from. I am talking about the general moral decay of mankind itself. Things are getting darker. In the last days perilous times will come. Things will grow worse and worse before our Lord’s return. If you knew of all of the dark sinful things that are going on in this world, it would make you believe we truly are in the last days.

Things get eventually better before He returns. In fact, most everyone will be saved.

 

[Hammster]

I believe many do not want to see that we are in the last days is because it would require them to change their lives in following the Lord more seriously.

I think most people want to believe they are in the last days because it would require them to be obedient in making disciples of all nations.

 

[Jaxxi]

I have more faith in the King and His promises. Because of that, I not only pray for my children, but my grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

Keep in mind that the church isn’t going backwards. The wheat far outweighs the tares. We just need to wait until the harvest.

What does ' Getting Whiter' mean exactly?