We Are Not in the Last Days

[Jaxxi]

I think most people want to believe they are in the last days because it would require them to be obedient in making disciples of all nations.

No, I think they like to believe that any day now the Lord could Rapture them and take them out of this growing catastrophe.

 

[Jaxxi]

Whether or not it happens today is irrelevant. It was written for Timothy in his time. So it’s no more a sign of the coming of Christ now as it was in then.

How is it written for Timothy when it prophesies times in the last days? It is clearly talking about future times, no?

 

[Hammster]

What does ' Getting Whiter' mean exactly?

Nothing to do with this thread.

 

[Hammster]

No, I think they like to believe that any day now the Lord could Rapture them and take them out of this growing catastrophe.

Right. They don’t want to be obedient to Christ’s command.

 

[Hammster]

How is it written for Timothy when it prophesies times in the last days? It is clearly talking about future times, no?

Well, Timothy was in the last days. You have to understand that Paul was writing a letter, his last letter, to Timothy, his son. He wasn’t writing him a letter about what might happen two thousand years from then. It was for what Timothy would face.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Things get eventually better before He returns. In fact, most everyone will be saved.

This is what the bible says in response to your statement

Matthew 7:13-14 [Full Chapter]
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

No, I think they like to believe that any day now the Lord could Rapture them and take them out of this growing catastrophe.

JUST like he did for the Israelite in Egypt, he did not require them to go through the plagues (sarcasm)

NO he protected them through the plagues.

Learn the truth and it will set you free from satans deceptions.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Hi Camper. Thanks for the interesting reply! Great user name BTW. God Bless You

Thanks

 

[Hammster]

This is what the bible says in response to your statement

Matthew 7:13-14 [Full Chapter]
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

That’s what Jesus said to the Jews at the sermon on the mount.

Later, in Matthew 13, He told them three parables; sower and seeds, the mustard seed, and the leaven in the loaves. They show how the kingdom of God expands to take over the world. The parable of the wheat and tares does the same thing. That’s just a start. I won’t insult you by posting them and highlighting certain words because I think you are too slow to understand. I’ll just let you read them, perhaps we can discuss them and other passages that tell the same story.

 

[DavetheSlave]

I always go back to this when someone claims to know:

Mark 13:32 (CSB): “Now concerning that day or hour no one knows—neither the angels in heaven nor the Son—but only the Father.​

Personally, I don’t believe we’re living in the end times because the things that are happening around the world today are no worse than they’ve ever been in the past. Instead, they’re just more televised and advertised than ever before. But that’s just my opinion.

Amen. Keep on the watch, I says.

 

[Jaxxi]

JUST like he did for the Israelite in Egypt, he did not require them to go through the plagues (sarcasm)

NO he protected them through the plagues.

Learn the truth and it will set you free from satans deceptions.

We are FAR from being like the Israelites and they did not have Jesus to tell us when these things would happen. They also did not have the Book of Revelation to align with their world to know where about they were in things, NOR did they have the Holy Spirit to guide their hearts and speak to their soul when something big was about to happen.

Everyone seems to forget that part! Christians have something the Jews do not have. The Holy Spirit. Jesus sent Him to us as the Great Comforter, to teach us, guide us, warn us and when the time comes, speak through us. Many of us feel it heavy on our spirit. A restlessness, and quickening of time. We are looking to the skies more because we feel something stirring in the world. It is exciting, and unsettling at the same time. It has us on fire for the Lord, as He is drawing us in like never before. It has always been there but now is different. I cannot explain it but I know I am not alone in feeling this. And trust me, it is NOT demonic deception friend but thank you for your concern.

 

[Hammster]

We are FAR from being like the Israelites and they did not have Jesus to tell us when these things would happen. They also did not have the Book of Revelation to align with their world to know where about they were in things, NOR did they have the Holy Spirit to guide their hearts and speak to their soul when something big was about to happen.

Everyone seems to forget that part! Christians have something the Jews do not have. The Holy Spirit. Jesus sent Him to us as the Great Comforter, to teach us, guide us, warn us and when the time comes, speak through us. Many of us feel it heavy on our spirit. A restlessness, and quickening of time. We are looking to the skies more because we feel something stirring in the world. It is exciting, and unsettling at the same time. It has us on fire for the Lord, as He is drawing us in like never before. It has always been there but now is different. I cannot explain it but I know I am not alone in feeling this. And trust me, it is NOT demonic deception friend but thank you for your concern.

Probably not demonic deception, but more like poor hermeneutics.

 

[Jaxxi]

Probably not demonic deception, but more like poor hermeneutics.

Maybe, but I have not been studying and reading the Bible for very long. I have always gone off of my feelings for Jesus and the Lord, and I guess I have valued loving the Lord God with all my heart, body, soul, spirit and mind and developing my own personal relationship with Him so that He knows me and how I feel and that I know when the intuition I receive is coming from Him rather than needing to know the difference between the Mennonites, and the Canaanites, and the Levites, and the Kohathites and the Uzzielites and the Hebronites and the Amramites and the Izharites and the Mushites. None of those tribes and clan have any real relevance to this day and age and I cannot keep track of them anyways. Does it make me less of a Christian because my interpretation of the Bible is not always comprehensively correct? Of course not. Do I believe in false doctrine? No I do not think so. I may have at one time but where the Bible has said differently, I am quick to change my views and outlook. Can anyone truly be an expert on the Word of God and know exactly what He means with every scripture in the Bible? I would say no, not if that person is a human .

God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent. Hath He said, and shall He not do it? Or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?Numbers 23:19

People will always interpret things there own way. The statement. " And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

This means different things to different people. To me it means that the church will be in the world which has the Holy Spirit which is preventing the Antichrist from coming to power. At the time of the rapture, Christ will remove the church from the land and the Antichrist will immediately come to power and not a minute before. The Antichrist will establish a new religion for all the world but he cannot do this while the Holy Spirit is still here. That may be poor hermeneutics, but that is my interpretation.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Maybe, but I have not been studying and reading the Bible for very long. I have always gone off of my feelings for Jesus and the Lord, and I guess I have valued loving the Lord God with all my heart, body, soul, spirit and mind and developing my own personal relationship with Him so that He knows me and how I feel and that I know when the intuition I receive is coming from Him rather than needing to know the difference between the Mennonites, and the Canaanites, and the Levites, and the Kohathites and the Uzzielites and the Hebronites and the Amramites and the Izharites and the Mushites. None of those tribes and clan have any real relevance to this day and age and I cannot keep track of them anyways. Does it make me less of a Christian because my interpretation of the Bible is not always comprehensively correct? Of course not. Do I believe in false doctrine? No I do not think so. I may have at one time but where the Bible has said differently, I am quick to change my views and outlook. Can anyone truly be an expert on the Word of God and know exactly what He means with every scripture in the Bible? I would say no, not if that person is a human .

God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent. Hath He said, and shall He not do it? Or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?Numbers 23:19

People will always interpret things there own way. The statement. " And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

This means different things to different people. To me it means that the church will be in the world which has the Holy Spirit which is preventing the Antichrist from coming to power. At the time of the rapture, Christ will remove the church from the land and the Antichrist will immediately come to power and not a minute before. The Antichrist will establish a new religion for all the world but he cannot do this while the Holy Spirit is still here. That may be poor hermeneutics, but that is my interpretation.

IMHO it appears that your interpretation is not biblical supported

Remember the parable of the ten virgins, they all wanted to enter the wedding feast but 5 were lacking and did not get to enter even though the proclaimed to be followers of Christ.

Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Childofgodharrison]

Hi everyone! I hope everyone is having a good day so far!

In Matthew, Jesus states that there will be many coming and saying they are Jesus in the last days.

Then, as he talks about the last days, he seems to tell them what's going to happen in the order its going to happen.

If we look and see there's not a lot of people saying they are Jesus and the fact that Jesus tells us the order all these things will happen, that should let you know that we are NOT in the last days yet.

We are definitely in the last days. Their are some who have claimed to be Jesus. And all the things that are happening now. Nations rising against nations. The coronaviris. The electricity problems that happened. All the people who have died. This is a time of death. The rider is on the pale horse in the book of revelations named death now. God is trying to give us a chance to repent and get serious and stop playing church. These are the last days.

 

[Hammster]

We are definitely in the last days. Their are some who have claimed to be Jesus. And all the things that are happening now. Nations rising against nations. The coronaviris. The electricity problems that happened. All the people who have died. This is a time of death. The rider is on the pale horse in the book of revelations named death now. God is trying to give us a chance to repent and get serious and stop playing church. These are the last days.

While it’s true that I think God is calling folks to repentance, those signs were for the first century believers.

 

[Childofgodharrison]

While it’s true that I think God is calling folks to repentance, those signs were for the first century believers.

Well this pandemic put a holt to everything. God is trying to get our attention, but most are ignoring it and just wanting to get back to the way it was before. Something else will come. Because we are in the middle of the birth pains.

 

[KitKat1230]

Honestly, I agree that we are not in the last days. I can think of many times in history worse for Christians to live in than now. Slavery is illegal in most countries now. Human sacrifice and cannibalism are hardly ever represented now in reality except in less civilized societies and historical media, horror, and serial killer stories. And the coronavirus, as horrible as it is and as much as no one wants to get it, is still nowhere as bad as the Black Death in the 14th century, which killed a third of the world's population, including two-thirds of Europe's population. Women have more rights now than they ever had (I am NOT talking about abortion, but rather voting rights, equal opportunities for jobs/careers, equal pay for equal work, better societal understanding of consent, etc.). We are becoming more aware and conscious of prejudices and discrimination. Before the early 20th century, around 50% of children did not make it to adulthood and for much of history, only 50% of newborn babies got to see their first birthday due to illnesses.

Yes, there are things that could be better and there are things that have gotten worse. We are going through the COVID-19 pandemic right now, but this is not the first, or the worst, virus that we have encountered; e.g. the aforementioned Bubonic plague in the 14th century, the Spanish flu in 1918, HIV, Ebola, etc. Violence has always been part of human societies. There never were any "good old days," because there have always been things going wrong.

We do not know when the last days will be, but I don't think that we are there yet. I'm sure Paul and the first-century believers thought they were in the last days. I'm sure many of the Christians being persecuted by Emperor Nero thought they were in the last days. I'm sure many people during the horrible plague 536 AD, the Black Death, the Spanish flu, the Great Depression, World War II, and the Cold War thought they were in the last days. Things have always been bad because humanity has been corrupt since the Fall and has not stopped being corrupt since.