We are mobilizing our military with the expectation of having a vaccine by the end of the year

[Mountainmanbob]

Would it be considered assault to vaccinate someone against their will at gunpoint? I'm just asking.

Yes
because, this ain't China
not yet anyway.
M

 

[XAPLTOS]

I disagree. I have never gotten the flu shot and I will absolutely get the covid vaccine. You’re making a ton of guesses here and going with the most extreme explanation. Obviously, local drugstores cannot vaccinate the majority of Americans in a short period of time, nor should the government expect a business to do the work of the government for free. It makes perfect sense to me to deploy the military, they are available and they are paid to help us. If Trump was planning on using the military to use force against Americans, why would he tell us in a tweet?

He said it in an interview but not the point. I have never gotten the flu shot and would not get a covid vaccine. Why would I get a vaccine rushed through trials as quickly as possible. It takes about 2 years to fully test a new vaccine. Yes I am making a lot of guesses that’s the point of my post I’m being subjective on purpose to create responses. The government could set up mobile centers or use parking lots as they are with testing to administer the shot. Local pharmacies would want the business they’re paid a percentage of every shot they give by the government. My point is this, Posse Comitatus was enacted to never give the appearance of the military controlling the population, and even know this most likely would not fall in that category it will give the appearance of that initial concern. If the vaccine were made to be mandatory that is a clear violation of law and if the military was brought in to enforce that fact it will cause a problem. There is about 2-3% of crazies within the ranks of the military that would greatly enjoy a situation like that but the other 97-98% would put them in check very quickly.

 

[Kaon]

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[trunks2k]

I disagree. I have never gotten the flu shot and I will absolutely get the covid vaccine. You’re making a ton of guesses here and going with the most extreme explanation. Obviously, local drugstores cannot vaccinate the majority of Americans in a short period of time, nor should the government expect a business to do the work of the government for free. It makes perfect sense to me to deploy the military, they are available and they are paid to help us. If Trump was planning on using the military to use force against Americans, why would he tell us in a tweet?

Yes.

Assuming a vaccine is developed by the end of the year (unlikely) and also produced in enough quantity (even more unlikely), it would be an attempt at mass vaccination in a very short period of time. Existing medical infrastructure cannot handle that. Using the military to deliver vaccines to where they are needed and also set up additional locations to get the vaccine makes a lot of sense.

It's important to note that a lot of people don't get the flu vaccine out of simple laziness. I was one of those people for ages. I wasn't going to pay for it and I wasn't going to take time out of my day to go get one even if it was free. Heck, my employer offered them for free in my office and wouldn't get it because I didn't feel like setting aside 15 minutes of my work day to get it. Now that I have kids, I do get it because kids are petri dishes. If you are doing a big push to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible making it free and easily available is going to get way more people vaccinated than for the flu (not to mention people are more afraid of COVID-19 than the flu).

 

[Arcangl86]

He said it in an interview but not the point. I have never gotten the flu shot and would not get a covid vaccine. Why would I get a vaccine rushed through trials as quickly as possible. It takes about 2 years to fully test a new vaccine. Yes I am making a lot of guesses that’s the point of my post I’m being subjective on purpose to create responses. The government could set up mobile centers or use parking lots as they are with testing to administer the shot. Local pharmacies would want the business they’re paid a percentage of every shot they give by the government. My point is this, Posse Comitatus was enacted to never give the appearance of the military controlling the population, and even know this most likely would not fall in that category it will give the appearance of that initial concern. If the vaccine were made to be mandatory that is a clear violation of law and if the military was brought in to enforce that fact it will cause a problem. There is about 2-3% of crazies within the ranks of the military that would greatly enjoy a situation like that but the other 97-98% would put them in check very quickly.

We are talking about potentially using military personal to handle distribution and administration of the largest vaccination program the country has ever attempted, not a military take over. That's like saying the Navy invaded NYC by sending the Comfort there to help take some of the medical load. The military does a lot of humanitarian work and they have certain advantages in this work that purely local resources won't have.

 

[XAPLTOS]

We are talking about potentially using military personal to handle distribution and administration of the largest vaccination program the country has ever attempted, not a military take over. That's like saying the Navy invaded NYC by sending the Comfort there to help take some of the medical load. The military does a lot of humanitarian work and they have certain advantages in this work that purely local resources won't have.

Your analogy of the comfort and mercy is a little different if I was suggesting a military take over which I’m not. My point is purely speculative at this point I’ve pointed that out in previous posts. If the vaccine were made mandatory and the military was brought in to administer that vaccine it would not go well.

 

[expos4ever]

Quite the imaginations some of you have.

Obviously, the military's role would be to provide the manpower, equipment, and other logistics required for a mass vaccination - they would not be deployed to force people to get vaccinated.

But since so many of you appear to be set on removing yourselves from the gene pool, perhaps you could ask to borrow a soldier's weapon and do yourselves in that way?

 

[ZNP]

I guess he was saying he will use the military to enforce compliance to vaccinations. Why else would he need to mobilize the military?

How are you going to immunize 350 million people? You'll need tents set up, and many people to run the operation. The military has trained medics who could administer the vaccine, they could deliver the vaccine to various stations, they could help guide people, keep records and maintain order. This would allow far less disruption to hospitals and doctor's offices, and would be far more efficient allowing for a much more rapid deployment.

 

[keith99]

Only Trump could say something that would change the issue with a possible vaccine from having enough to meet demand to having people resist being vaccinated. From concern about people maintaining social distance while getting the vaccine to people not wanting the vaccine.

Earth to Trump. Any physician or RN can administer a vaccine. As can most pharmacists. And your personal physician is the one in a position to know if yuo have a medical condition that could mean increased risks with a new vaccine.

 

[XAPLTOS]

Quite the imaginations some of you have.

Obviously, the military's role would be to provide the manpower, equipment, and other logistics required for a mass vaccination - they would not be deployed to force people to get vaccinated.

But since so many of you appear to be set on removing yourselves from the gene pool, perhaps you could ask to borrow a soldier's weapon and do yourselves in that way?

And quite naive and void of world history are some other’s posting here.

 

[ZNP]

Only Trump could say something that would change the issue...

You give him too much credit, I think we have had people in the past that were equal to that task.

 

[Desk trauma]

And quite naive and void of world history are some other’s posting here.

Educate us then, point to the examples in history of mass vaccination campaigns leading to tyranny.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

the military would not fire upon the U.S. population. My point is the optics this is something that most likely will not happen but it was stated as an idea by the chief executive of the country.

Kent State would disagree…

 

[XAPLTOS]

Educate us then, point to the examples in history of mass vaccination campaigns leading to tyranny.

who ever said that a mass vaccination campaign led to tyranny. There are plenty of examples where countries used an excuse to bring in their military then force them on the people. It’s called a coup. Remember I am not saying this is what is going to happen or the intent of those with power to do it. I see a conflict of interest regarding the original intent of Posse Comitatus and if a vaccine were made mandatory and that order enforced by the military that would cause a problem. Study why we had the war of 1812. Study Jekyll island. Study the laws that came out of that. Study Woodrow Wilson. Study Brentwood. Why did we come off the gold standard? What families go back centuries and are in banking/politics. Did we attack ourselves in the gulf of Tonkin see freedom of information. Who makes money off vaccines? Why refuse treatments that are proven to work? Nothing I just asked you is out of the realm of reality all history and searchable facts so I avoided the conspiracy theory angel. I could go on and on with tyranny the constitution/bill of rights are disregarded constantly. Politicians have separated us into parties for decades if not a century or two, basically all media does this. What is project mocking bird that will be your answer to why we’re separated and it was admitted but never confirmed to be shut down. What did a prominent man say exactly 10 years prior to the attack on the towers. Listen tyranny exists it’s up to the individual if he wants to look for it and see it.

 

[XAPLTOS]

Kent State would disagree…

good point. I base my opinion on asking vets what they would do and how their fellow service men would react. I’ve been asking this question for years and I’ve always been told they would stand down. And the slight few who would not stand down would be dealt with quickly without the C.O. Knowing.

 

[Desk trauma]

who ever said that a mass vaccination campaign led to tyranny. There are plenty of examples where countries used an excuse to bring in their military then force them on the people. It’s called a coup. Remember I am not saying this is what is going to happen or the intent of those with power to do it. I see a conflict of interest regarding the original intent of Posse Comitatus and if a vaccine were made mandatory and that order enforced by the military that would cause a problem. Study why we had the war of 1812. Study Jekyll island. Study the laws that came out of that. Study Woodrow Wilson. Study Brentwood. Why did we come off the gold standard? What families go back centuries and are in banking/politics. Did we attack ourselves in the gulf of Tonkin see freedom of information. Who makes money off vaccines? Why refuse treatments that are proven to work? Nothing I just asked you is out of the realm of reality all history and searchable facts so I avoided the conspiracy theory angel. I could go on and on with tyranny the constitution/bill of rights are disregarded constantly. Politicians have separated us into parties for decades if not a century or two, basically all media does this. What is project mocking bird that will be your answer to why we’re separated and it was admitted but never confirmed to be shut down. What did a prominent man say exactly 10 years prior to the attack on the towers. Listen tyranny exists it’s up to the individual if he wants to look for it and see it.

Well my bingo card is full.

 

[XAPLTOS]

Well my bingo card is full.

Typical response, congratulations on proving the fact that you’re unable to counter.

 

[Desk trauma]

Typical response, congratulations on proving the fact that you’re unable to counter.

I counted with all the effort that Gish gallop wall of text merited.

 

[XAPLTOS]

I counted with all the effort that wall of text merited.

Sorry to hear that was your best effort, it was a decent attempt Though, you asked a question I responded and bingo cards was your only thought. Good job.

 

[trunks2k]

Earth to Trump. Any physician or RN can administer a vaccine. As can most pharmacists. And your personal physician is the one in a position to know if yuo have a medical condition that could mean increased risks with a new vaccine.

I am far from a fan of Trump, but I don't think it's a fair assessment. If the disease is bad enough, the risk of the vaccine may be worth it and you'd want to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible. The military would be necessary to do that - they have the logistical for it.