Was There a Pre-Adamic Race?

[HisSparkPlug]

I'm not sure where this particular verse is, but sometime after the rebellion in heaven by Lucifer and a 1/3 of the angels, they had been cast out of heaven to earth, and at some time they made out with the human habitants.

They had apparently come in human form, but taller than the humans..as I understand it, this was possibly before adam and eve..I am fully aware that they were the first humans, maybe I have misread this and someone could enlighten me.

The angels who 'fell' were "watcher" angels/guardians - there's scripture to back that up, I need to find it.
Apparently they also had the ability to be 'physically present' = which ought not to be surprising considering the fact that angels have often shown up physically. In Sodom the people wanted to have sex with the male angels who went to visit Lot.

 

[HisSparkPlug]

It didn't seem possible with the Genesis quote you used this morning.

Yeah it's definitely a "No" on the serpent seed theory. I believe William Branham was a man used mightily by God when it came to the healings, salvations, and the revelation of the 7 Seals God gave him... but this teaching is well off the mark.

It's a little sad people believe it, but I don't think believing it affects their salvation.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I think we all see in part and yet its like a temptation to go beyond our measure, and sometimes we can get tangled into stuff if we arent more careful

 

[squint]

lol this whole thread is like watching a train wreck...You're uncomfortable, but you just can't help yourself.

ya never know what will come rising up from the depths...it's quite fascinating...

oops, let's toss that one back in

 

[YeShallTread]

Ya' know, I'm really surprised at some of you...with all the Scripture given that it can just be ignored is amazing to me. But, of the others (I am not at all surprised at their inability to see) I just shrug it off...par for their course.

They deny this with absolutely NO validation of their denial except their own rather inept understanding.

It doesn't matter to me if anyone here can see this teaching...however, I feel compelled to try one more thing for there could be others that have read the thread and wonder if it is true or not. If just reading the ridicule shoveled out by those that have no clue...they may not find answers and actually believer the deniers.

So, tune in tomorrow if you have an interest...if not be happy in your inability to deal with Scripture. Perhaps it just isn't time yet...perhaps it never will be. Your choice.

 

[Tzaousios]

Ya' know, I'm really surprised at some of you...with all the Scripture given that it can just be ignored is amazing to me. But, of the others (I am not at all surprised at their inability to see) I just shrug it off...par for their course.

What happens when people give passages that support their contention that you are wrong?

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=YeShallTread; Ya' know, I'm really surprised at some of you...with all the Scripture given that it can just be ignored is amazing to me. But, of the others (I am not at all surprised at their inability to see) I just shrug it off...par for their course.

Forgive us. I can sympathize with the Eve + Satan = Cain theory, but the verse Sparky quoted seems to flatline it. Maybe you or I could open a thread on it & we could look at it better there.

As far as the OP concern, I think your right about "6th day mankind".

They deny this with absolutely NO validation of their denial except their own rather inept understanding.

Sparky did give us a vrese you haven't addressed yet.

It doesn't matter to me if anyone here can see this teaching...however, I feel compelled to try one more thing for there could be others that have read the thread and wonder if it is true or not. If just reading the ridicule shoveled out by those that have no clue...they may not find answers and actually believer the deniers.

I shopped a few links on Sargon. After reading what Wiki had, I looked at this one:
The Second Earth Age

It seems to sort out the two creation accounts, thanks.

So, tune in tomorrow if you have an interest...if not be happy in your inability to deal with Scripture. Perhaps it just isn't time yet...perhaps it never will be. Your choice.

I ain't goin' nowhere. I'm interested in what ya got.

 

[ViaCrucis]

While that's interesting, it doesn't help us understand how you explain the nephilim & their descendants like Goliath.

Well, for one, people like Goliath were certainly tall, even by today's standards he'd be tall. But calling Goliath a giant should be understood in the context of how tall the average person was in that time and place. A man standing nearly seven feet tall certainly dwarfed the average man standing about 5'6. I say nearly seven feet tall because the older sources have this, not the latter Masoretic reading which would have Goliath almost ten feet tall.

As for the Nephilim specifically, I would tend to the tradition that understands "sons of God" and "daughters of men" as referring to Seth's lineage and Cain's lineage; but it's not a dogmatic position. I think the point of the nephilim reference is referring vaguely to ancient heroic figures. The problem is that the text hardly gives us any real information to go by, and anything we come up with is entirely speculation.

A transdimensional being might have a DNA structure that won't reproduce with another of the same kind. Angels were a seperate & previous creation from mankind.

I'm sure heliocentrism seemed just as silly.

That's certainly a lot of speculation using a lot of science fiction sounding language.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Gnarwhal]

Well, for one, people like Goliath were certainly tall, even by today's standards he'd be tall. But calling Goliath a giant should be understood in the context of how tall the average person was in that time and place. A man standing nearly seven feet tall certainly dwarfed the average man standing about 5'6. I say nearly seven feet tall because the older sources have this, not the latter Masoretic reading which would have Goliath almost ten feet tall.

As for the Nephilim specifically, I would tend to the tradition that understands "sons of God" and "daughters of men" as referring to Seth's lineage and Cain's lineage; but it's not a dogmatic position. I think the point of the nephilim reference is referring vaguely to ancient heroic figures. The problem is that the text hardly gives us any real information to go by, and anything we come up with is entirely speculation.



That's certainly a lot of speculation using a lot of science fiction sounding language.

-CryptoLutheran

Listen to Crypto, folks.

I think when we take into account the broader scope of civilizations that had already been in existence (and some which had come and gone) by the time the Torah was written, it makes much more sense.

 

[Messy]

I shopped a few links on Sargon. After reading what Wiki had, I looked at this one:
The Second Earth Age

It seems to sort out the two creation accounts, thanks.

Acts 17: Out of one man He made the whole human race.
When He said: Let's make mankind in Our Image, He didn't create millions of people, He created Adam and later He built Eve and told them to multiply. I believe Genesis 2 is what happened on day 6.
There were no other people created in Genesis 1:
Genesis 2:4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, 5 before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground

 

[YeShallTread]

Acts 17: Out of one man He made the whole human race.
When He said: Let's make mankind in Our Image, He didn't create millions of people, He created Adam and later He built Eve and told them to multiply. I believe Genesis 2 is what happened on day 6.
There were no other people created in Genesis 1:
Genesis 2:4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, 5 before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground

1. Your translation is bogus or you were writing your own rendition of [Acts17:26] and that's a no-no. Mankind was not made of one man.

Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

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If all men are the same...why are there "bounds of their habitation?"


2. If you would read, with understanding, you would see that He created man and woman on the sixth day. When He formed Adam you should notice that Eve wasn't part of the deal at that time. Why? Because they were not the same event.



3. If you would read, with understanding, you would see that His work...everything made and created...which includes EVERYTHING, ALL MANKIND, was ended.....

Genesis 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended His work which he had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.
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3. Although not mentioned in the above...I would add, for your listening pleasure, that the SERPENT IS NOT A TALKING SNAKE.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
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[YeShallTread]

So far everything you've trotted out has been as close to a cut and paste from Arnold Murray/ShepChap.

Picked up your theology on the TV didja? Or was it radio?

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Care to quote just one tiny reference to any of this teaching not shown to us by God in His Holy Word?

What I see is lots and lots of disparaging comments from those that want to deny Scripture even if they don't realize that is just what they are doing. Rather than deal with it they, and they know who they are, accuse a child of God of racism. Funny how that works.

 

[YeShallTread]

What happens when people give passages that support their contention that you are wrong?

Thank you for that question Tzaousios. My hope is that is what we do. We allow His Words to teach us. If I am corrected by Scripture then...I am corrected. If I am taught by Scripture then...I am taught.

So please, quote the passages that deny what is being taught. If I am wrong then I will apologize, learn and thank you for the teaching.

 

[Spaceman 3]

Over the years I've heard now & then about the possibility that a human like race lived prior to Adam, or even in conjunction with Adam and this explains the huge difference in races amongst other things.

I'd like to hear the thoughts of others if you would...
Was there a race of beings on earth prior to Adam and humans?
What do you believe and why? - Please provide scripture if you can..

If of course you receive the story of Adam & Eve as literal events, then consider this, from Genesis Ch.4:

13 And Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is greater than I can bear! 14 Surely You have driven me out this day from the face of the ground; I shall be hidden from Your face; I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond on the earth, and it will happen that anyone who finds me will kill me.”
15 And the Lord said to him, “Therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.” And the Lord set a mark on Cain, lest anyone finding him should kill him.

This would suggest that there were others. Biblical literature highlights only three people on the earth - Adam, Eve & Cain himself. Where would the threat of murder upon Cain come from?

 

[Spaceman 3]

Thank you for that question Tzaousios. My hope is that is what we do. We allow His Words to teach us. If I am corrected by Scripture then...I am corrected. If I am taught by Scripture then...I am taught.

So please, quote the passages that deny what is being taught. If I am wrong then I will apologize, learn and thank you for the teaching.

Hi YeShallTread

I've just been looking at some of your posts in this thread. The sexual union between Satan & Eve seems a very interesting & feasible take on the story of Adam & Eve. I'd like to look at this in more detail.

Unfortunately, I just don't have the perseverence to traipse through this whole thread.

Would you, therefore be kind enough to sum up your analysis. I don't expect you to concern yourself with quoting scripture, unless of course you feel that you want to, otherwise I can look into that myself.

Thanks in advance...

 

[YeShallTread]

Hi YeShallTread

I've just been looking at some of your posts in this thread. The sexual union between Satan & Eve seems a very interesting & feasible take on the story of Adam & Eve. I'd like to look at this in more detail.

Unfortunately, I just don't have the perseverence to traipse through this whole thread.

Would you, therefore be kind enough to sum up your analysis. I don't expect you to concern yourself with quoting scripture, unless of course you feel that you want to, otherwise I can look into that myself.

Thanks in advance...

You are very welcome Spaceman. It is my intention to do just that today (a summary) but I wanted to reply first to a few of the posters.

Again, thank you.

 

[YeShallTread]

Forgive us. I can sympathize with the Eve + Satan = Cain theory, but the verse Sparky quoted seems to flatline it. Maybe you or I could open a thread on it & we could look at it better there.

As far as the OP concern, I think your right about "6th day mankind".

Sparky did give us a vrese you haven't addressed yet.


I shopped a few links on Sargon. After reading what Wiki had, I looked at this one:
The Second Earth Age

It seems to sort out the two creation accounts, thanks.


I ain't goin' nowhere. I'm interested in what ya got.

Good morning Rick...I'm not certain which verse you are referring to but believe it to be.....

HisSparkPlug
@ YeShallTread Please believe me when I say I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but I'm curious how you explain this scripture if Cain was the product of a union with satan? And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord. And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground - Gen 4:1-2
Many thanks


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I thought about this last night and asked God to correct my understanding if I was wrong or enable me to explain it in a better fashion.

"I have gotten a man from the Lord." The possible answers, as far as I can see, are....

1. The Lord was the father?

2. Adam, as the father, was the Lord Eve referred to?

3. Satan, as the father, was the one she saw as "Lord" because of his shining appearance as an angel of light?

4. The man from the Lord was a direct reference to God's promise to her...for Cain greatly multiplied her sorrow as well as her conception with her husband Adam. The conception that produced Abel....the one Cain murdered. Sorrow.

The Lord said to Eve and the serpent....

Genesis 3:15-16 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Unto the woman He said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
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The other verse reference was....

HisSparkPlug
This is interesting, but I'm just not seeing it. This seems like a bit of a reach. I'm open to learning new biblical truths but I'm not getting an inner witness from the Holy Spirit on this teaching about Eve & satan having sex, which tells me it's not true. It's easy to put together the fact of how nephilim were created from the Word, but this particular theory isn't gelling with scripture. I don't see anywhere else in the bible where eating a piece of fruit equates with sexual union..
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I don't know if I can go any deeper into it than I already have. The tree of knowledge of good and evil is...the serpent himself and he doesn't have apples or oranges or satsumas hanging on him. As Jesus is the Tree of Life, Satan is the tree we are to stay away from. We are not to consume any of his lies.

Biblically, the literal happens before the spiritual. The literal was the seduction of Eve which caused the birth of Cain and from him the battle began which continues today. The spiritual is his seduction of God's children through idolatry, deception....lies, lies, lies. (rapture, once saved always saved, Jesus is the Son of God but Jesus is not God, 70 AD was the beginning of the millennium)...the list goes on and on.


Was the verse you questioned one of the above?

 

[Messy]

3. Although not mentioned in the above...I would add, for your listening pleasure, that the SERPENT IS NOT A TALKING SNAKE.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
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I know that. It was satan, but still he used a serpent. They didn't know good or evil then.
The animals were cursed:
Cursed are you (Serpent) more than all the cattle, and more than any beast of the field.
By the way, someone said it was Belial, who was later bound when Jesus came, from the preAdamic race (before the flood of Satan from 2 Peter 3, after which new heavens came, which didn't come with the flood of Noah), who will inhabit the antichrist. Angels don't posess humans, demons do. The man of the Geradenes didn't have a lot of fallen angels in him who wanted to go into the swine.

 

[YeShallTread]

I know that. It was satan, but still he used a serpent.

Perhaps you know it today...but you didn't know it yesterday.

They didn't know good or evil then.
The animals were cursed:
Cursed are you (Serpent) more than all the cattle, and more than any beast of the field.

The serpent, Satan, is more cursed than the beasts that follow him. Think about it.

By the way, someone said it was Belial, who was later bound when Jesus came, from the preAdamic race (before the flood of Satan from 2 Peter 3, after which new heavens came, which didn't come with the flood of Noah), who will inhabit the antichrist. Angels don't posess humans, demons do. The man of the Geradenes didn't have a lot of fallen angels in him who wanted to go into the swine.

I was told once that demons are the spirits of the nephilim. Is that true? I have no idea. I do know that the "swine" inhabited by the demons are symbolic of false teachers, false prophets, wolves in sheep's clothing. We are not to consume literal swine flesh or....spiritual swine flesh...poisons.

 

[Messy]

1. Your translation is bogus or you were writing your own rendition of [Acts17:26] and that's a no-no. Mankind was not made of one man.

Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

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If all men are the same...why are there "bounds of their habitation?"

Because some are called to live in the States and some in Holland. It's all so easy.
Acts 17:26 From one man he made every nation of men, - Online Bible Study Tools
Even if it is one blood (in Dutch it says one man), the soul of the flesh is in the blood (Original translation of Leviticus) , so it's still one man.

Here's another tekst:
Romans 5
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

2. If you would read, with understanding, you would see that He created man and woman on the sixth day. When He formed Adam you should notice that Eve wasn't part of the deal at that time. Why? Because they were not the same event.

Why couldn't He have created them the way Genesis 2 describes in one day?

3. If you would read, with understanding, you would see that His work...everything made and created...which includes EVERYTHING, ALL MANKIND, was ended.....

Genesis 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended His work which he had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.


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Impossible, if you read on it says there was no man:
4 This is the history[a] of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, 5 before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground;