Was There a Pre-Adamic Race?

[YeShallTread]

Thanks for explaining your take & providing scriptures.. It is certainly interesting. I don't really agree, but this is one of those things that isn't all that important in the light of eternity in my opinion.

You are most welcome HisSparkPlug.

I would add though that knowing the tares are among us, for they are those pretending to be so holy, wolves in sheep's clothing, is important to keep in mind. If it wasn't He wouldn't have specifically taught His disciples (not the multitude) but those with eyes and ears....


Matthew 13:36-40 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and His disciples came unto Him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

 

[Messy]

Those weren't pre-adamic. Those are the Nephilim which existed during the times of humans and Noah. The Nephilim were cannibals - the bible says they even ate each other.. but they were not pre-adamic

Could also be, I read that too. But the Neanderthals they found were much older and there were signs of cannibalism. Kent Hovind says they didn't exist, but I'm not a YEC anymore, I believe GAPtheory makes much more sense.

 

[YeShallTread]

So, if someone does not accept the Serpent Seed doctrine, does that mean that they reject Scripture and do not have eyes to see or ears to hear?

Why would anyone reject what is clearly written?

God spoke to the serpent and God said that the seed of the serpent would be at enmity with the seed of the woman.

What is to reject?

 

[YeShallTread]

Yeah, this is what I was wondering about too - Did Eve convince Adam to have sex with satan also?

That is a very touchy topic. All I can go by is what is written. Was it the first recorded homosexual act? I don't know. He was with Eve...he blamed Eve and God for his indiscretion so he wasn't an innocent by-stander.

There is just nothing written of that that I have seen except that one mention.

 

[HisSparkPlug]

There is not one single recorded instance in the text where an angel cross bred with a human and fostered a human being. I really don't know where that nonsense has justification.

Wow... I didn't think there were still people in existence who deny the fact that angels decided to have sex with human women. No wonder you're so worked up over the serpent-seed teaching; you haven't even got the basics yet. I may not agree with the teaching, but there's no denying that watcher angels fell and had sex with the women & produced the nephilim giants.

Are there many people out there still who question this?

Have you read the book of Enoch? The book of Enoch is obviously not bible canon but it is mentioned numerous times in the Word of God. History states that practically every Jewish family had a copy of the book of Enoch and it was taken as fact. You might want to take a look at it. You can read it online here: Book of Enoch | Read online or download the Book of Enoch PDF, EPUB or .MOBI (Kindle)

 

[squint]

Wow... I didn't think there were still people in existence who deny the fact that angels decided to have sex with human women. No wonder you're so worked up over the serpent-seed teaching; you haven't even got the basics yet. I may not agree with the teaching, but there's no denying that watcher angels fell and had sex with the women & produced the nephilim giants.

Are there many people out there still who question this?

That would be a VERY unorthodox belief that would class as more of a fairytale clung to by fringe element christianity and conspiracy theorists.

I rank it right up there with the belief that Satanic messengers were once Holy Angels who happened to make some bad decisions.

NOT saying I commit any such believers to the eternal flames just so we can get that out of the way.

Have you read the book of Enoch? The book of Enoch is obviously not bible canon but it is mentioned numerous times in the Word of God.

Yes, I've read it and do not recall any such mention of any such things there either.

History states that practically every Jewish family had a copy of the book of Enoch and it was taken as fact. You might want to take a look at it. You can read it online here: Book of Enoch | Read online or download the Book of Enoch PDF, EPUB or .MOBI (Kindle)

Perhaps you can search it if you want to site that Satan has sex organs and also had/has sex with women fostering human/satanic cross breeds.

I am also aware that people paid with their lives for such superstitions during the dark ages where certain religious fanatics thought women had sex with Satan and were witches.

Some beliefs still keep crawling back out of that darkness.

I've cited several scriptures that also flat out state that both all of Israel were Gods children and that gentiles are Gods offspring.

I doubt very much we're dealing with human/satanic crossbreeds when it comes to theology, but it doesn't surprise me that people actually believe that kind of mumbo jumbo.

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[HisSparkPlug]

@ SQUINT - It's not unorthodox at all. I think you have somehow been sheltered from the truth. To not see how in the Word of God that nephilim giants were created via the copulation of fallen angels with human women is strange to me. It's very clear when one studies the Word.

@ YeShallTread Please believe me when I say I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but I'm curious how you explain this scripture if Cain was the product of a union with satan? And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord. And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground - Gen 4:1-2

Many thanks

 

[ViaCrucis]

Wow... I didn't think there were still people in existence who deny the fact that angels decided to have sex with human women. No wonder you're so worked up over the serpent-seed teaching; you haven't even got the basics yet.

This isn't a "basics", it's an opinion held by some, not by all. Usually found among the more fantastic sensationalist preachers around.

I may not agree with the teaching, but there's no denying that watcher angels fell and had sex with the women & produced the nephilim giants.

Since Scripture never mentions watcher angels falling and having sex with women to produce a race of hybrids, then--in fact--it's quite easy to deny. Enoch isn't Scripture.

Are there many people out there still who question this?

Yes, we tend to be called Christians.

Have you read the book of Enoch? The book of Enoch is obviously not bible canon but it is mentioned numerous times in the Word of God. History states that practically every Jewish family had a copy of the book of Enoch and it was taken as fact. You might want to take a look at it. You can read it online here: Book of Enoch | Read online or download the Book of Enoch PDF, EPUB or .MOBI (Kindle)

Enoch is interesting, but non-authoritative. Enoch is interesting for historical and literary analysis; but anachronistically reading the text of Enoch back to the account in Genesis 6 and stating this as some de facto right interpretation that can and should not be questioned is probably not the right way to be analyzing Enoch.

So no, I don't believe fallen angels had sex with women and produced a race of hybrid giants. Just as I don't believe the devil in the form of a snake had sex with Eve and produced Cain. Because I don't see any good, biblical reason to believe that angels have genitals and are capable of sexual reproduction.

If angels are capable of reproducing with human women, are they capable of reproducing with each other, or are they all male? If they are all male, it would seem strange that God would create an entire race of creatures that only have testicles when they aren't supposed to be "fruitful and multiply" like every other sexual creature which God made.

The whole thing becomes one big mess of silly very, very quickly.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Nanopants]

Idk what to say or think about this thread, other than it started out with an interesting question, and spiraled into what looks like a good example of how the idea of "evil" has this nasty tendency to follow right behind the topic of sex. Maybe we should consider the two to be one in the same, or maybe we're just imagining things, and the story's just repeating itself.

 

[Rick Otto]

Idk what to say or think about this thread, other than it started out with an interesting question, and spiraled into what looks like a good example of how the idea of "evil" has this nasty tendency to follow right behind the topic of sex. Maybe we should consider the two to be one in the same, or maybe we're just imagining things, and the story's just repeating itself.

Interesting.
I was reading an article by a guy who claimed to be a former Air Force instructor in "remote viewing". His personal view project was to 'project' his consciuosness out into space looking for extraterrestials - intelligent, sentient alien life. What he said he encountered in the "community of mind" he found, is a reptillian race called "The Verdant" (I figure verdant = green = reptillian/dragon"), They refuse population control & are the largest member of an organized collective called "The Intergalactic Federation of Sovereign Planets". They are in control of a race whose home planet they destroyed - the ones we know as "the grays, zetas, with the big almond shaped eyes. They live about 22,000yrs he says.
Trade is the basis of relationships. The Verdant only occupy a rim on the Virgo cluster & travel between only closely neighboring galaxies.

But beyond them, is a group that has life spans in the range of 11 million yrs. These represent a group that as a species has learned to survive the Big Bang part of a universal cycle.

This group has eliminated sexual reproduction saying it is too anti-social in it's dominance, territoriality, & they can perform gestation better than a natural womb.

But the instructor guy says he doesn't trust them because he thinks they tolerate the Verdant in order to trade in biological parts they steal from us during mutilations & abductions.


...I'm not promoting any of this, just sharing what I've heard on the subject.

 

[squint]

@ SQUINT - It's not unorthodox at all. I think you have somehow been sheltered from the truth. To not see how in the Word of God that nephilim giants were created via the copulation of fallen angels with human women is strange to me. It's very clear when one studies the Word.

Fortunately that isn't clear whatsoever. We are presented with zero text that attributes DNA, sex organs and crossbreeding with evil spirits in the scriptures.

I'm only surprised at what people think they see that isn't there.

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=ViaCrucis; So no, I don't believe fallen angels had sex with women and produced a race of hybrid giants. Just as I don't believe the devil in the form of a snake had sex with Eve and produced Cain. Because I don't see any good, biblical reason to believe that angels have genitals and are capable of sexual reproduction.

While that's interesting, it doesn't help us understand how you explain the nephilim & their descendants like Goliath.

If angels are capable of reproducing with human women, are they capable of reproducing with each other, or are they all male? If they are all male, it would seem strange that God would create an entire race of creatures that only have testicles when they aren't supposed to be "fruitful and multiply" like every other sexual creature which God made.

The whole thing becomes one big mess of silly very, very quickly.

A transdimensional being might have a DNA structure that won't reproduce with another of the same kind. Angels were a seperate & previous creation from mankind.
I'm sure heliocentrism seemed just as silly.

 

[squint]

While that's interesting, it doesn't help us understand how you explain the nephilim & their descendants like Goliath.

There is a very logical explanation for Biblical giants that is also proven science. It's called line breeding. And it's also proven to produce some of the results found in skeletal remains i.e. double row of teeth.

A transdimensional being might have a DNA structure that won't reproduce with another of the same kind. Angels were a seperate & previous creation from mankind.
I'm sure heliocentrism seemed just as silly.

As to the larger contemplation in the thread, a pre-Adamic race, I don't discount that as a possibility. I'm generally a gap theory guy, so the existence of the earth prior to where the Genesis narrative picks up is not out of the realm of speculative possibility, emphasis on the obvious. It's also a fact according to fossil records, so that part is hard to deny unless one's faith leads them to deny hard scientific fact.

I also wouldn't discard the possibility of extra dimensional life, as obviously the text presents that so far as the realm of evil messengers.

And just as a side note to altered states of being, humans under hypnosis can be kinda weird too. Specially when it happens in a church setting.

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[Messy]

I also wouldn't discard the possibility of extra dimensional life, as obviously the text presents that so far as the realm of evil messengers.

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And aliens and reptilians and nephilim? Just kidding. It doesn't matter, there are different thoughts about how the giants came, but they were killed anyway during the flood and I thought this threat was about a preAdamic race, which perished by a disaster.
There was no other race during the time of Adam and the devil didn't have sex with Eve, but Adam:
Acts 17
From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.

 

[squint]

And aliens and reptilians and nephilim? Just kidding. It doesn't matter, there are different thoughts about how the giants came, but they were killed anyway during the flood and I thought this threat was about a preAdamic race, which perished by a disaster.
There was no other race during the time of Adam and the devil didn't have sex with Eve, but Adam:
Acts 17
From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.

Yes, cited that a couple times in this thread. Even the RCC has figured out that all mankind are in fact Gods offspring/children.

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[YeShallTread]

@ YeShallTread Please believe me when I say I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but I'm curious how you explain this scripture if Cain was the product of a union with satan? And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord. And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground - Gen 4:1-2

Many thanks

I never consider questions to be "a hard time."

Cain and Abel were twins...of different fathers. She first conceived Cain and then "Adam knew Eve his wife and she conceived." Cain arrived first and then "she again bare" which is to "continue in labor." Cain's twin Abel was born and he was to be a shepherd...which carries great meaning.


Where it is written, "I have gotten a man from the Lord," needs to be understood. Why would she say that? Did the Lord God father Cain? No. If Adam was the father why would she say it? Because he was not the father. If the Lord God was to be thanked...why not also thank Him for Abel? The Lord she got the man from was the serpent.

The Hebrew word rendered "serpent" in [Gen.3:1] is Nachash - from the root Nachash, to shine and means...a shining one. Satan was the shining one, an angel of light.

- E.W. Bullinger

Satan was the "Lord" she got a man from. Also consider that the fallen angels produced giants. What was Cain? Do a study on Sargon the Magnificent.

 

[Messy]

Cain and Abel were twins...of different fathers. She first conceived Cain and then "Adam knew Eve his wife and she conceived." Cain arrived first and then "she again bare" which is to "continue in labor." Cain's twin Abel was born and he was to be a shepherd...which carries great meaning.


Where it is written, "I have gotten a man from the Lord," needs to be understood. Why would she say that? Did the Lord God father Cain? No. If Adam was the father why would she say it? Because he was not the father. If the Lord God was to be thanked...why not also thank Him for Abel? The Lord she got the man from was the serpent.

- E.W. Bullinger

Satan was the "Lord" she got a man from. Also consider that the fallen angels produced giants. What was Cain? Do a study on Sargon the Magnificent.

Nice theory, but not Biblical:
Acts 17
From one man He made all the nations
Yes Cain had the devil as a spiritual father, just like the Pharisees and Abel had God as his spiritual Father, but when they were babys they both had God as their spiritual Father and Adam as their natural father, who had a half evil, half good sinful nature, because he obeyed the devil.
Judas was a son of satan, I think you'll admit that. Was that because he was natural offspring of Cain? No:
Matthew 26
The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born
So if he had died in the womb he would have been Gods offspring and he would have gone to heaven.

 

[YeShallTread]

This isn't a "basics", it's an opinion held by some, not by all. Usually found among the more fantastic sensationalist preachers around.

Why listen to preachers...have you noticed the many verses on this topic. Listen to God.

Since Scripture never mentions watcher angels falling and having sex with women to produce a race of hybrids, then--in fact--it's quite easy to deny. Enoch isn't Scripture.

Haven't you read Gen. 6 & Jude 6?

Yes, we tend to be called Christians.

Enoch is interesting, but non-authoritative. Enoch is interesting for historical and literary analysis; but anachronistically reading the text of Enoch back to the account in Genesis 6 and stating this as some de facto right interpretation that can and should not be questioned is probably not the right way to be analyzing Enoch.

So no, I don't believe fallen angels had sex with women and produced a race of hybrid giants. Just as I don't believe the devil in the form of a snake had sex with Eve and produced Cain. Because I don't see any good, biblical reason to believe that angels have genitals and are capable of sexual reproduction.

1. God tells us there were giants...have ye not read?
2. God tells us the sons of God married women...have ye not read?
3. The devil was not in the "form of a snake" when he met Eve.
4. I have no clue about the why's of sexual reproduction and angelic beings but...it happened.

If angels are capable of reproducing with human women, are they capable of reproducing with each other, or are they all male? If they are all male, it would seem strange that God would create an entire race of creatures that only have testicles when they aren't supposed to be "fruitful and multiply" like every other sexual creature which God made.

The whole thing becomes one big mess of silly very, very quickly.

-CryptoLutheran

That is an interesting question Crypto. I don't have an answer but I do accept that what happened...happened.

 

[Messy]

Sorry Messy but it is difficult to pay attention to someone that doesn't understand the serpent wasn't a snake.

 

[YeShallTread]

Fortunately that isn't clear whatsoever. We are presented with zero text that attributes DNA, sex organs and crossbreeding with evil spirits in the scriptures.

I'm only surprised at what people think they see that isn't there.

And I am always surprised at people that think they know more than God. They are those that read the words and....deny them. Go figure.