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Was the Sabbath the first "labor union" law?

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics' started by radhead, Oct 6, 2017.

  1. radhead

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    Has anyone else thought that the law of the Sabbath was equivalent to today's labor union laws? Even in the New Testament it is stated that the Sabbath was made "for men", and not the other way around. What do you think?

    Chick-fil-a, a company notorious for closing on Sundays has just recently stated that their reasons for closing on Sundays were NOT religious. But they were actually for "employee satisfaction".
    (See link below)

    Does anyone else see the connection? Wasn't the Bible just a collection of political writings?
    Even today, people on both extremes of the political spectrum all claim to have God on their side.

    Here’s the Real Reason Why Chick-fil-A Is Closed on Sundays
     
  2. Occams Barber

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    While we're at it - can we also check if Jesus was a paid up member of the Carpenters Union?
    OB
     
  3. radhead

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    But I do wonder if when Paul says that Jesus came down and "took the form of a man", if what he was really referring to was that Jesus left his position as a son of the ruling class, and purposefully chose to become a member of the working class. I got that feeling when he was talking to the Pharisees and quoted the Psalm to them about them being "like gods", whereas he was just a "son of God". A title which they had apparently questioned in the story.
     
  4. Occams Barber

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    I spoke in jest Radhead but now I think you're on to something.

    I've always thought that;
    From each according to his abilities
    To each according to his needs
    had a certain affinity with;
    It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven

    I am now beginning to wonder if Jesus' philosophy was an early form of proto-Marxism
    or
    If Marxist philosophy is actually a secular form of Christianity.

    I need to retire to my garret (with Absinthe and cigar) to cogitate on this.
    OB
     
  5. Soyeong

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    Considering that the Israelites had just been freed from 400 years of slavery in Egypt, I doubt labor unions and employee satisfaction were in the picture. God said that we He commanded was for His people's own good (Deuteronomy 6:24, Deuteronomy 10:12-13) and I think He was onto something. However, the Sabbath was not a day off our work to do whatever we wanted, but a day set apart for a specific purpose.
     
  6. SolomonVII

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    I think that Sabbath laws are there for balance. Perpetual creativity is chaos. There is no predicatability in a world that is constantly being recreated.
    God rested on the seventh day, finished his creative work, and that is who we are emulating by participating in his Sabbath. Sabbath is our own "It is finished" moment. We look at what we created throughout the week and recognize its inherent goodness.
     
  7. DogmaHunter

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    Would they be put to death if they would open on sunday anyway?
    No? Then it's not like the sabbath.
     
  8. radhead

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    I don't believe the story of Moses was originally written to be taken literally. And I certainly don't think the authors of the New Testament stories believed in Moses either.

    How can you put demands on people to DO something special on the Sabbath? Especially if the character of Jesus said that the Sabbath was created "for MAN"? Not the other way around.
     
  9. SolomonVII

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    Give some evidence please that people were put to death for breaking Sunday shopping laws.
     
  10. DogmaHunter

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    Fortunatly, I'm not aware of any such things in this day and age.
    But Exodus 31:14
     
  11. SolomonVII

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    Was this law ever executed against anyone?
    I know of no record of this actually happening.
     
  12. Soyeong

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    The NT authors quote the OT as though they are real people. For example:

    John 8:45-46 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”

    Jesus talked about Moses performing acts of accusing, of having hopes pinned on him, of being believed, and of writing, an so he clearly was speaking about Moses as though he were a real person, and I don't see anything that refers to him as though he were not, so what reason do you have to think that they didn't believe in Moses?

    The point of taking time off from our work is to make time to do something special. The Sabbath is a precious gift to us and the point of saying that it was made for man is saying that it is made for our good, not that our good should suffer on account of it, and certain not made for us to spurn.
     
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