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Well I could probably find YEC counter arguments for every argument you give like how I provided those links earlier. Though I don't believe there was a flood.
Noah's flood would have been a local flood.For Christians - was the Flood global? If not, why do you think that? Due to geology and archaeology? Or do you think the Bible is saying that it would have been local?
Also it said it rained for 40 days and flooded the earth for 150 days which might be unusual for a local flood. Also it says Noah lived to be 950.... but I guess that is a little off topic.
BTW besides there being YEC counter arguments for just about every flood criticism an interesting thing is that the all or nothing thinking of YECs can cause them to go to atheism like for myself.If neither of us believe there was a flood, then this topic is pointless for you and I to address accordingly
BTW besides there being YEC counter arguments for just about every flood criticism an interesting thing is that the all or nothing thinking of YECs can cause them to go to atheism like for myself.
See
The Bible Test - Life's Player
Evolution and Creation Science, The Bible Taught It First
From AIG:
"Ultimately, the controversy about the age of the earth is a controversy about the authority of Scripture. If millions of years really happened, then the Bible is false and cannot speak with authority on any issue, even the Gospel."
Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket.BTW besides there being YEC counter arguments for just about every flood criticism an interesting thing is that the all or nothing thinking of YECs can cause them to go to atheism like for myself.
See
The Bible Test - Life's Player
Evolution and Creation Science, The Bible Taught It First
From AIG:
"Ultimately, the controversy about the age of the earth is a controversy about the authority of Scripture. If millions of years really happened, then the Bible is false and cannot speak with authority on any issue, even the Gospel."
I do not accept that the earth is six thousand years old. The scientific evidence that the earth is ancient is derived from a number of different sources. This is not subject to debate."Ultimately, the controversy about the age of the earth is a controversy about the authority of Scripture. If millions of years really happened, then the Bible is false and cannot speak with authority on any issue, even the Gospel."
I believe every event recorded in Genesis actually took place, but the historical timing is compressed.
the resurrection took place and was witnessed by over five hundred people.
I do not subscribe to the hard line fundamentalist claim, that the scripture is written by God. Therefore, if there are mistakes in the scripture then that would be expected.If someone were to demonstrate, even to your own personal satisfaction, that at least one event never occurred, would you change your stance on Christianity, or, would it still not matter?
That's what Paul wrote to the Corinthians. Do you believe that Paul was a liar?500 accounted for and individually questioned people corroborated seeing Jesus postmortem? Really? Do tell? How do you know this?
BTW besides there being YEC counter arguments for just about every flood criticism an interesting thing is that the all or nothing thinking of YECs can cause them to go to atheism like for myself.
See
The Bible Test - Life's Player
Evolution and Creation Science, The Bible Taught It First
From AIG:
"Ultimately, the controversy about the age of the earth is a controversy about the authority of Scripture. If millions of years really happened, then the Bible is false and cannot speak with authority on any issue, even the Gospel."
I said I went from YEC to atheism... that was in 1997. Then I started to believe in an intelligent force (while believing most of the Bible isn't historical)Okay? Does this mean you used to be a YEC, but now that you see there exists too much conflict, upon your viewpoint, you are now an atheist?
Is there anything in the Bible that supports that? Or just geology and archaeology that makes you think that? BTW do you know when it would have happened?Noah's flood would have been a local flood.
Paul might not have been an eye-witness and heard a story about it..."500 accounted for and individually questioned people corroborated seeing Jesus postmortem? Really? Do tell? How do you know this?"
That's what Paul wrote to the Corinthians. Do you believe that Paul was a liar?
I don't see how the dates could be pushed back due to gaps.... unless you contradict the Bible verses...The Bible only cover the era of written history. Even with that Bible Scholars admit gaps in the genealogies. Google gaps genealogy article bible green to learn about those gaps.
History of writing - WikipediaOther cultures places written history around 20,000 years or so.
I can't read any of those books. I'm sure the arguments they present can also be found online.I presented the books that researches Noah's Flood as local.
Though they might believe the flaws in evolutionary theory, etc, are worse.Many things in the YEC models don't add up like the pressure cooker.
BTW there are at least 3 versions of the Genesis genealogies...What I suspect is that the numbers have some significance that isn't obvious to the casual observer. For example, the lifespans of the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob seem at first glance to be numbers of no significance, but actually they are sums of squares and so forth.....
edit: oops this is the second time I replied...If I were to take the time and adequately debunk the claimed 'Biblical flood', even to your complete personal satisfaction, would it even matter?
The existence of the age of the dinosaurs puts an end to the idea. That the earth is a young earth.Is there anything in the Bible that supports that? Or just geology and archaeology that makes you think that? BTW do you know when it would have happened?
That's why I love the gospel. It can only accepted by faith ultimately.Paul might not have been an eye-witness and heard a story about it...
1 Corinthians 15:6
"After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep."
He should have said when and where it supposedly happened so that it could be verified.... he just gives fairly useless information like "at the same time" and "most of whom are still living" and "though some have fallen asleep"...
I think the appearance could have been mistaken identity like this - people might say that he doesn't look like Jesus but how do you know the 500 had a Jesus that had the correct appearance?
V: Jesus in Nairobi, Kenya, 1988
So it is irrelevant whether one or more events actually happened. As long as the primary revelation of the messiah remains in tact.
That's what Paul wrote to the Corinthians. Do you believe that Paul was a liar?
We know that Christianity was based on the death and resurrection of the messiah. The messiah had to be seen as risen by the apostles, otherwise Christianity would not exist. It is that simple.
I think the same could be true of belief in God when it comes to hard-core skeptics...That's why I love the gospel. It can only accepted by faith ultimately.
There's also 1 Corinthians 3:18-19Even the scripture refers to the gospel as a foolish thing.
1 Corinthians 1:18
For the word of the cross is to them that are perishing foolishness; but unto us which are being saved it is the power of God.
So it should be utterly stupid to the unbelievers. AMEN.
You Don’t “Fit” Dinosaurs with the Bible!The existence of the age of the dinosaurs puts an end to the idea. That the earth is a young earth.
A New Take on "Continental Drift"Continental drift and the shape of the continents tells us in no uncertain terms. That the earth has a very ancient history, there was once, in fact, just a single continent. You can reconstruct that single continent like a jigsaw.
Wild Ice-Core Interpretations by Uniformitarian ScientistsIce core samples and coral core samples push the earth way beyond the reach. Of any young earth paradigm.
See post #31.......Sure, I understand what is at stake for you. However, we do not appear to have 500 corroborated individual eyewitnesses, do we?If so, I'll do you a favor and only ask that you identify 250 of them by name? And provide their individual documented testimonials?
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