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The way I see it, the reason confession is there is because of our deliberate sins.
So, one sins deliberately because one is angry and does not care any more ... things like that.
About affecting salvation - losing or not losing salvation are not Biblical terms at all. We made them up.
The Bible presents whether or not we have life or not.
The one who has life yet sins deliberately WILL confess in his/her heart sooner or later.
OT however was a lot different.
All sin is deliberate. But it doesn't affect our justification, just our sanctification.
EdialBelieve in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.
If we take this verse in this context this talks about the Jaler who was baptized with his "whole household"The Jailer Converted
31They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house. 33And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household. 34And he brought them into his house and set food before them, and rejoiced greatly, having believed in God with his whole household.
Saints of the Old TestamentThe church fathers often extol these Old Testament heroes. St. John Chrysostom repeatedly urged his flock to emulate the patient endurance of “the great and noble Job.” St. Gregory of Nyssa writes, “Noah was a righteous man, the Scriptures say, and Abraham was faithful, Moses meek, Daniel wise, Joseph chaste, Job blameless, and David perfect in patience.”
Eleazar and the Maccabean martyrs, whose story is told in 2 Maccabees 6:18-7:42, deserve special attention. This Jewish scribe and seven brothers, along with their mother, Solomonia, valiantly defied the sacrilegious commands of King Antiochus IV Epiphanes, who was fiercely persecuting the Jews. For their defiance, they were brutally executed in Jerusalem in about 167 BC. These unwaveringly faithful Jews are prototypes of all the Christian martyrs. In their commemoration on August 1, they are called “great martyrs, before the martyrs of Christ.”
The Church’s high esteem for the Old Testament saints is also seen in her custom of depicting the forefathers and prophets around the base of the interior central dome of a church. And by remembering these saints in her liturgical calendar, the Orthodox Church demonstrates her understanding that the Body of Christ transcends limitations of time and space. This awareness is clearly expressed at every Divine Liturgy: “And again we offer unto You this reasonable service for all those who in faith have gone before us to their rest: patriarchs, prophets, apostles, preachers, evangelists, martyrs, confessors, ascetics, and every righteous spirit made perfect in faith.”
Just a quick clarification to the above post. The Philippian jailer was saved by his faith, not his baptism.
and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household [because]
having believed in God with his whole household.
He and his household believed and were saved, therefore he and his household were baptized.
Edial
This is a verse taken out of Acts chapter 16
If we take this verse in this context this talks about the Jaler who was baptized with his "whole household"
Christ was manifest by then to the people and the Gospel is proclaimed. The context alone tells us that this man was saved by baptism and of source his belief to Jesus Christ. That is the NT the New message from God brought about by Christ God's Son.
Now if we go back to Solomon that message is quite irrelevant as Christ was not even incarnated for Solomon to believe so this has to do with "context" we cannot take a new testament biblical text out of context to ...
prove an OT (Old Testament) or judge in this case the salvation of Solomon....
God would judge according people who lived prior to the Incarnation according to the revelation they had at their hands at the time of their life.
Of course the Old Testament Kings were saved for after all they all lived lives according to their law; that was given to them by God. The ten commandments and were Torah keepers. People sin they did commit errors as many of us do too. Paul was the worse sinner of all as we know a well known Christian persecutor. No one lives and does not live....
For only Christ is without sin.
(Heb 12:1) also refers to the " we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses
The fact is that he was baptized yeah it resulted on his belief but that was a side note to the topicJust a quick clarification to the above post. The Philippian jailer was saved by his faith, not his baptism.
and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household [because]
having believed in God with his whole household.
He and his household believed and were saved, therefore he and his household were baptized.
The prob is that Solomon did not obey but was still spared So the question why this is so has been posed. I brought up David being spared cause he was truly repentant.[/q
"So God said to him, 'Since you have asked for this and not for long life or wealth for yourself, nor have asked for the death of your enemies but for discernment in administering justice, I will do what you have asked...'" (1 Kings 3:1112)[11] The Hebrew Bible also states that "The whole world sought audience with Solomon to hear the wisdom God had put in his heart." (1 Kings 10:24)[12]
The judgment of Solomon (painting on ceramic), Castelli, IT: Lille Museum of Fine Arts, 18th century .
In one account, known as the Judgment of Solomon, two women came before Solomon to resolve a quarrel over which was the true mother of a baby. When Solomon suggested they should divide the living child in two with a sword, one woman said she would rather give up the child than see it killed. Solomon then declared the woman who showed compassion to be the true mother, and gave the baby to her.
Solomon is also noted as one of many authors of Wisdom literature. The apocryphal/deuterocanonical Wisdom of Solomon, along with the Book of Sirach, "are the familiar personalities and the events of Israel's history combined with the wisdom tradition. Much of this literature, however, is attributed to Solomon."[13] Solomon became a favorite author and contributor of different kinds of wisdom literature, "including not only the collections of Proverbs, but also of Ecclesiastes and the Song of Solomon and the later apocryphal book the Wisdom of Solomon."[13]
Solomon was deemed worthy enough to receive just like the prophets a gift of wisdom from God. Obviousy at the end of his life life he repented. The church does not judge the life of a king in this case based on what "rumors" etc. but on the bible plus what it was considered valid sources based on traditional methods of judging sainthood. Plus the fact that Solomon was at the same line of David also and the was the one who erected the temple helped also :
Ecclesiastes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Solomon was the potential author of Ecclesiastes in his old age.
I doubted that the Church fathers would not have looked in his life deeply before including him in the OT saints. Yes people fall astray yes people sin daily but they also repent daily and furtthermore they do repent in their old age. Judging from my parishioners yeah that is the time to truly come to account one's sins that is the last change we are given.
What Aviela said.Where do repentance from sin and confession of sin fit into this theology?
Baptism absolutely and definitely plays one of the major roles in salvation.Edial
This is a verse taken out of Acts chapter 16
If we take this verse in this context this talks about the Jaler who was baptized with his "whole household"
Christ was manifest by then to the people and the Gospel is proclaimed. The context alone tells us that this man was saved by baptism and of source his belief to Jesus Christ. That is the NT the New message from God brought about by Christ God's Son.
OK. But judging is one thing and salvation is another.Now if we go back to Solomon that message is quite irrelevant as Christ was not even incarnated for Solomon to believe so this has to do with "context" we cannot take a new testament biblical text out of context to ...
prove an OT (Old Testament) or judge in this case the salvation of Solomon....
God would judge according people who lived prior to the Incarnation according to the revelation they had at their hands at the time of their life.
Yes, the Jewish saints of old, the Kings you mentioned, could not have been saved through keeping the Law.Of course the Old Testament Kings were saved for after all they all lived lives according to their law; that was given to them by God. The ten commandments and were Torah keepers. People sin they did commit errors as many of us do too. Paul was the worse sinner of all as we know a well known Christian persecutor. No one lives and does not live....
For only Christ is without sin.
(Heb 12:1) also refers to the " we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses
As far as the EO church that is what we believe about the topic:
Saints of the Old Testament
Also 1Cor:5:12
"11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler-- not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13But those who are outside, God judges.Remove the wicked man from among yourselves. "
For we are told not to judge the ones outside the church.... And again the ones who are NOT Christians such as the prophets the kings etc. that they were not Christians (even so Christ was not incarnated yet) are they supposed to be judged? No...why? because the ultimate judgement is up to God so if we wonder I would say in view of the above discussion no...God does not wish us to either judge thus not to condemn to hell so to speak anyone for ultimately it is his doing/and judgment. So Solomon will be judged in the end by God as any of us
Or, not so obvious, given this passage: 1 Kings 11:1-13, especially:Solomon was deemed worthy enough to receive just like the prophets a gift of wisdom from God. Obviousy at the end of his life life he repented.
I think it is an error to ascribe believing to demons. James 2:19 doesn't say that they have faith. It does say that they believe that God is One. There are 2 reasons to think (believe) something is true. Experience or faith. The demons experienced the Oneness of God. They didn't "have faith" in it.What Aviela said.
If however we just believe as a matter of fact then our faith is no different than that of demons who also believe.
Then Paul should have answered the jailer this way:Baptism absolutely and definitely plays one of the major roles in salvation.
Ed
There is a dead faith and there is a saving (live) faith.I think it is an error to ascribe believing to demons. James 2:19 doesn't say that they have faith. It does say that they believe that God is One. There are 2 reasons to think (believe) something is true. Experience or faith. The demons experienced the Oneness of God. They didn't "have faith" in it.
We believe God is One by faith, not by experience. A big difference.
JAS 2:18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds."
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.
Believing that there is one God isn't saving faith, so we can't use this verse to try to demonstrate a difference in belief between demons and humans. In the gospels, most of the accounts where Jesus confronted demons, they all recognized Him as the Second member of the Trinity immediately. For humans, that is saving faith (Jn 20:31). But not for demons.
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