Was Noahs Flood Big?

[Subduction Zone]

Eliu, there were hundreds of large scale floods in the past that we have records of. We can see both the erosional and depositional effects from those floods. We do not see erosional effects from a global flood. We do not see depositional effects from a global flood. If creationists could find these it would make global news.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Was Paul Bunyan tall?

Yes, very. I grew up in Minnesota, Paul Bunyan worked the state over pretty good. Much of the state is now prairie. Northern California has tried to adopt it, but it is clear from the size of the trees there that he never made it out west.

 

[Eliu]

Eliu, there were hundreds of large scale floods in the past that we have records of. We can see both the erosional and depositional effects from those floods. We do not see erosional effects from a global flood. We do not see depositional effects from a global flood. If creationists could find these it would make global news.

The global flood of Noah was not "linear", just "waters going up and then going down". It was a really chaotich event. Of course we can observe a large sum of local effects appearing to be local floods! Depositional effects follow the same. Different zones, different effects. The Earth is not a biliard ball.

Loudmouth
We see sediments forming right now, and no global flood is needed.
Even more, the sediments we do see are often separated by millions of years. Sediments that have dinosaurs date to before 65 million years ago. There is no global sediment layer that dates to 4,000 years ago.

We can see sediments forming right now. The global flood of Noah happened millennia ago. I can't find the link.
Do we have to talk about radiometric dating methods? Not here, please.
But I can remember dinosaurs fossils found ABOVE K/T boundary, and attempts by "scientists" to "up the line", but this would mess other findings, so that dinosaurs appeared to live a lot of time after their own extinction. And so on.

Subduction
No, a global flood would cover the entire Earth at the same time. When the sedimentary rocks were deposited a good part of the sediments always came from... land.
So no, the sedimentary rocks are evidence against a global flood

I know a global flood would cover the entire Earth... but, I have to repeat, the earth is not a biliard ball. It is not this regular, just seeing a map.
Debris were transported and deposited from and to vast areas, from the same, global, flood.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry, myth has nothing to do with a debate about science. You might as well use the Bible to prove that pi is equal to three, that the Earth is flat, or that the Earth is orbited by the Sun. All claims that can be found in the Bible.

That's why I have Boolean standards I use; to keep things balanced properly, so I won't end up interpreting It like atheists do.

 

[AV1611VET]

Was Paul Bunyan tall?

Paul Bunyan was a Nephilim.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's why I have Boolean standards I use; to keep things balanced properly, so I won't end up interpreting It like atheists do.

No, you misinterpret today's events and science and try to shoehorn them into your myth. It is not working too well. Boolean fails all over the place.

 

[SkyWriting]

You forgot "The entire story including Noah is a myth".Civilizations that lived along streams tended to have flood myths. Streams tend to flood. Hmmm, perhaps there is a relation.

Every question includes assumptions. This one assumes you believe in Noah's flood. Here's another one:

"Have to ever been so wasted that Rehab turned you away?"

I get a kick out of that one. I finally came up with a response,
"Oh that's what the message was on my answering machine!
I could not make out what you were saying!"

 

[Subduction Zone]

Eliu, no, the flood cannot explain the sedimentary record in any way at all. There are countless fails for it. Look at the mountains of calcite alone. The formation of calcite is an exothermic event. If it all happened in the time of the flood, which alone is impossible, it would have boiled the oceans.

Flood geology cannot explain: chalk deposits, varves, diatomaceous Earth deposits, the fossil record, index fossils and especially microscopic index fossils. All of these individually shoot down the flood. Together it is deader than dead. Even Jesus could not resurrect that dead tuna.

 

[46AND2]

But I can remember dinosaurs fossils found ABOVE K/T boundary, and attempts by "scientists" to "up the line", but this would mess other findings, so that dinosaurs appeared to live a lot of time after their own extinction. And so on.

So what if a few dinosaurs found a small niche and lived through the K/T event? Clearly other animals did. The extinction event simply demonstrates a massive killing off, not a complete annihilation of just dinosaurs.

And you'll have to provide evidence for scientists trying to "up the line," as there would be no need to do so to explain some dinosaur fossils above the line. It's a non-issue.

 

[SkyWriting]

Although regional in scope, the flood described in Genesis was no routine flooding event. After 40 days of rain, the Great Deluge kept Noah and family on the ark for over a year. (And, of course, some assert that the Black Sea may be the surviving remnant of those flood waters.) So we would indeed expect the event to be remembered through the "flood stories" of those cultures.

So only Noah's friends and neighbors dies in the flood and people who lived
in other places survived. I thought you didn't like that answer. Oh well.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Every question includes assumptions. This one assumes you believe in Noah's flood. Here's another one:

"Have to ever been so wasted that Rehab turned you away?"

I get a kick out of that one. I finally came up with a response,
"Oh that's what the message was on my answering machine!
I could not make out what you were saying!"

Yes, that is on the same order as "Have you stopped beating your wife yet."

I have already covered the impossible. If the flood happened it would be meaningless if it was not global. It would not have killed off the world's animals making the need for a huge ark (which in reality was much too small) superfluous. It would not have killed off all of humanity, making it a wild story about a man and his boat.

The act of apologists trying to say "Maybe the Flood was not global" is merely an attempt by them to dodge the bullet that the Flood never occurred at all.

 

[SkyWriting]

Noah was a real historical person and there was a real flood. The impact of Noah's flood has been felt by the whole world right up to today because you and I are still talking about it.

Today with DNA that pretty much makes or breaks it. Because you should be able to trace the generations of all four of Noah's Sons / children. Fact is the cities that his sons founded are still there today for your investigation.

I doubt if you have even read the Bible, so you are pretty much just offering your opinion on something that you know nothing about. Just how many days, weeks, months and years have you put into the study of this subject?

I've only thought about it about 3 hours in total. In-depth bible analysis is enjoyable and faith strengthening, but not a requirement for believers.

 

[SkyWriting]

I said Edjunkated ... meaning educated.

It's a play on edjucated, which is a play on educated.

Alternately spelled edjimicated.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, that is on the same order as "Have you stopped beating your wife yet."

I have already covered the impossible. If the flood happened it would be meaningless if it was not global. It would not have killed off the world's animals making the need for a huge ark (which in reality was much too small) superfluous. It would not have killed off all of humanity, making it a wild story about a man and his boat.

The act of apologists trying to say "Maybe the Flood was not global" is merely an attempt by them to dodge the bullet that the Flood never occurred at all.

It's pretty goofy but some say that all humanity stayed in a geographic basin.

Why all animal life would as well, I dunno.
Like this but with the rain on the inside.

I have a hard time figuring out what people without faith are thinking.
But they are usually mad at believers for something that happened in
their life and looking to blame some religion for the problem.

They talk about suffering in the world as the reason I should believe God
does not exist. But I with my teenage brother shooting himself in the
head at 17, they have weak examples of world misery to offer.

 

[Loudmouth]

I have a hard time figuring out what people without faith are thinking.

We are thinking that you need to supply evidence for your claims.

But they are usually mad at believers for something that happened in
their life and looking to blame some religion for the problem.

That's not so in my case. I have nothing but wonderful things to say about my time in the church, and my family members that are still in the church. Religious faith is just something that I partake in. That's it.

The problems that I do see are human problems, not problems of religion.

They talk about suffering in the world as the reason I should believe God
does not exist. But I with my teenage brother shooting himself in the
head at 17, they have weak examples of world misery to offer.

The truth is not always comforting.

 

[SkyWriting]

There are some problems with that. The Black Sea flood was thousands of years before Noah's flood. Also even the dates that they use for the Black Sea Flood are questionable as to just how accurate they are. Still the Black Sea Flood was an epic event, no doubt about that. There were people involved in the Black Sea Flood. They do find artifacts. Of course these are the same people that found the Titanic, so they got a little bit going for them. But then after having found the Titanic someone else registered it, so that makes you wonder if they are not a few fries short of a happy meal even with their fancy boat all their underwater equipment. I wanted to build one of those underwater camera at one time. My son figured out how to do it, we just never got around to order the parts.

There nice heavy duty plastic baggies on Amazon you can just stick your regular camera into.

Amazon.com: underwater camera bag: Electronics

 

[46AND2]

It's pretty goofy but some say that all humanity stayed in a geographic basin.

Why all animal life would as well, I dunno.
Like this but with the rain on the inside.

I have a hard time figuring out what people without faith are thinking.
But they are usually mad at believers for something that happened in
their life and looking to blame some religion for the problem.

They talk about suffering in the world as the reason I should believe God
does not exist. But I with my teenage brother shooting himself in the
head at 17, they have weak examples of world misery to offer.

Nice stereotype. I am not mad at any believers. My mother is a devout YEC, and my favorite person in the world.

Nothing bad happened in my life, or at my church. Heck, I loved my church. Didn't want to leave. Fought to keep my faith for a decade.

I abhor the suffering-in-the-world-means-God-doesn't-exist argument. Hypothetically, a god could be completely evil and make earth a living hell. The conditions that people would experience on that hypothetical earth would have no bearing on whether God was real or not.

 

[SkyWriting]

We are thinking that you need to supply evidence for your claims.

I would need to be able to recreate some event.
I'm not eve sure is was regular water.

That's not so in my case. I have nothing but wonderful things to say about my time in the church, and my family members that are still in the church. Religious faith is just something that I partake in. That's it. The problems that I do see are human problems, not problems of religion. The truth is not always comforting.

I always find the truth comforting. People are different.

 

[SkyWriting]

Nice stereotype. I am not mad at any believers. My mother is a devout YEC, and my favorite person in the world. Nothing bad happened in my life, or at my church. Heck, I loved my church. Didn't want to leave. Fought to keep my faith for a decade. I abhor the suffering-in-the-world-means-God-doesn't-exist argument. Hypothetically, a god could be completely evil and make earth a living hell. The conditions that people would experience on that hypothetical earth would have no bearing on whether God was real or not.

Assuming God is not in control of our sinful world, and that is my stand
until someone points out that it's scripturally unsound.

 

[SkyWriting]

It happened on Neptune and Noah and family were miraculously transported to earth after cruising for a year on submerged Neptune.

Sorry, I left that choice out. I'll have more options next time.