Was Mary without sin?

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Please, a little insight into why you conclude each post with "Forgive me..."

It touches me because you seem to wish to gentle your words or to give your Lord God a bow, signalling your ever present devotion to Him.

If you have explained this before, I regret to say I have missed it.

Thank you for you patience, I mean that.

I am emulating my Priest, and I have failed to be patient on MANY occasions.

From my Blog...

My friend, even the air in my lungs would be more properly used by someone more worthy.

Everything I do and say will effect everyone, and everything, mostly in a negative way.

For that I ask everyones forgiveness.... always.

Forgive me.....

 

[Rhamiel]

My friend, even the air in my lungs would be more properly used by someone more worthy.

"Everything I do and say will effect everyone, and everything, mostly in a negative way.

For that I ask everyones forgiveness.... always.

Forgive me....."

That was great

 

[DiscipleDave]

Mary was human, therefore she was born into sin, being human.
Jesus was not only human, but was divine. So then Mary was 100% human, just like you, just like me, born of a human Father and a human Mother. Jesus was born of a human Mother, and His Father was not human, but was divine. Jesus never committed any sins because He was 50% divine, but was tempted by satan to commit sin, because He was 50% human. Mary way 100% human, 0 % divine, but out of all the 100% humans on the Earth, she was chosen to give birth to the 1/2 human 1/2 god child, called Jesus. The only thing that makes her any different then any other female on this planet, it that she, being a mere human female, gave birth to the Son of god, she was chosen. But she like any human before her, or after her, had committed many sins, as a child, in adolescence, and the such. However at the time a female needed to be chosen to have the the Son of God, one had to be in the lineage of David, and had to be pure, which at that time Mary WAS PURE ( not saying she was always pure, only that she was pure when she was chosen ) Therefore she was chosen to give birth to the Son of God.
Humans, have put her on a pedastal to worship her. But Scriptures teach:

Lk:1:28: And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. ( notice it does not say among all people, only she is blessed above all women, because she was chosen among all the women )

Was Mary born of a woman ? Yes she was. Did you know Scriptures teach that John the Baptist was greater then even Mary, Yet Mary is put on a pedastol and worshiped, yet John the Baptist is not.

Mt:11:11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

THERE IS NONE GREATER THEN JOHN THE BAPTIST, this includes Mary, and yes she was born of a woman. Now of coarse if you hold Mary to be somthing more then she is, you will disagree with this, but that still doesn't change the fact that she's not. She is blessed above all women, because she was chose to give birth to the Son of God. This is what makes her special, but she is no different then any female on this planet, she has a human Father, and a human Mother, and she is in fact 100% HUMAN, no different then you or i. to put her on a pedastal to worship her, is just plain wrong.

^i^

 

[Uphill Battle]

Mary was human, therefore she was born into sin, being human.
Jesus was not only human, but was divine. So then Mary was 100% human, just like you, just like me, born of a human Father and a human Mother. Jesus was born of a human Mother, and His Father was not human, but was divine. Jesus never committed any sins because He was 50% divine, but was tempted by satan to commit sin, because He was 50% human. Mary way 100% human, 0 % divine, but out of all the 100% humans on the Earth, she was chosen to give birth to the 1/2 human 1/2 god child, called Jesus. The only thing that makes her any different then any other female on this planet, it that she, being a mere human female, gave birth to the Son of god, she was chosen. But she like any human before her, or after her, had committed many sins, as a child, in adolescence, and the such. However at the time a female needed to be chosen to have the the Son of God, one had to be in the lineage of David, and had to be pure, which at that time Mary WAS PURE ( not saying she was always pure, only that she was pure when she was chosen ) Therefore she was chosen to give birth to the Son of God.
Humans, have put her on a pedastal to worship her. But Scriptures teach:

Lk:1:28: And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. ( notice it does not say among all people, only she is blessed above all women, because she was chosen among all the women )

Was Mary born of a woman ? Yes she was. Did you know Scriptures teach that John the Baptist was greater then even Mary, Yet Mary is put on a pedastol and worshiped, yet John the Baptist is not.

Mt:11:11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

THERE IS NONE GREATER THEN JOHN THE BAPTIST, this includes Mary, and yes she was born of a woman. Now of coarse if you hold Mary to be somthing more then she is, you will disagree with this, but that still doesn't change the fact that she's not. She is blessed above all women, because she was chose to give birth to the Son of God. This is what makes her special, but she is no different then any female on this planet, she has a human Father, and a human Mother, and she is in fact 100% HUMAN, no different then you or i. to put her on a pedastal to worship her, is just plain wrong.

^i^

Jesus was 100% man, 100% divine. Not 50/50.

 

[Latreia]

Disciple Dave, glad to hear how convinced you are about your beliefs.

Another path, yet one of so many, only God knows.

None of us actually KNOW, otherwise how should we worship God?

 

[Latreia]

Jesus was 100% man, 100% divine. Not 50/50.

You and Disciple Dave seem to be missing the mark, so to speak..



Oh, dear, numbers used to demean the hopes of others are not relevent here, Jesus makes no use of them to admonish the status of women, let alone accusing them personally of being rank sinners from birth.

These are mathematical percentiles, useless in matters of faith, I fear.

 

[IamAdopted]

In Romans 7 Paul makes personal application from the preceding chapter: "We know that the law is spiritual; but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I understand not; for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I" (vv. 14-15). He still battled with sin even as a believer. In verses 16-17 he says, "If, then, I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now, then, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me" (vv. 16-17). Paul's new nature wasn't giving him problems; it was the sin that dwelled in his humanness. He continued, "I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwelleth no good thing.... Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man; but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members" (vv. 18, 20-23). Paul concluded, "So, then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh, the law of sin" (v. 25). So here we see paul that had the power of the Holy Spirit and one that sought after the Lord and even had stripes from being beat for his faith still had this struggle.. Grace is unmerited favor.. Not sinlessness.. Gods favor was upon Mary.

 

[Uphill Battle]

You and Disciple Dave seem to be missing the mark, so to speak..



Oh, dear, numbers used to demean the hopes of others are not relevent here, Jesus makes no use of them to admonish the status of women, let alone accusing them personally of being rank sinners from birth.

These are mathematical percentiles, useless in matters of faith, I fear.

very true.

I just don't think a 50/50 is good Christology... doesn't change the matter, of course.

confused what it has to do with admonishing the status of woman though?

 

[Latreia]

very true.

I just don't think a 50/50 is good Christology... doesn't change the matter, of course.

confused what it has to do with admonishing the status of woman though?

I am so sorry. I have a time making myself clear, a flaw, and I know it.

Sometimes when reading a post, an uneasy feeling comes over me about the expressions used. I know that if I were in the physical presence of that person, I would have to get away quickly and as far as I can.

Jesus Christ was infinitely gentle and patient with women; any who speak of women as lower somehow or less value or more to be suspected of sin does not impress me as one who wishes to walk with Our Teacher.

Not you, not at all do I feel that way in your words.

Just an old lady's intuitions working feebly.

 

[Uphill Battle]

I am so sorry. I have a time making myself clear, a flaw, and I know it.

Sometimes when reading a post, an uneasy feeling comes over me about the expressions used. I know that if I were in the physical presence of that person, I would have to get away quickly and as far as I can.

Jesus Christ was infinitely gentle and patient with women; any who speak of women as lower somehow or less value or more to be suspected of sin does not impress me as one who wishes to walk with Our Teacher.

Not you, not at all do I feel that way in your words.

Just an old lady's intuitions working feebly.

ah, I understand.

I agree with you.

 

[Latreia]

I am emulating my Priest, and I have failed to be patient on MANY occasions.

From my Blog...

My friend, even the air in my lungs would be more properly used by someone more worthy.

Everything I do and say will effect everyone, and everything, mostly in a negative way.

For that I ask everyones forgiveness.... always.

Forgive me.....

"The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
he leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
...

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever."

Amen

 

[Grigorii]

Yes, Mary was without personal sin but like all human beings she was born with original sin.

Gregorios

 

[angelluv]

Good question, but in the bible it says the only one without sin was Jesus.

 

[E.C.]

Was Mary without sin? I'd venture to say that she was not without sin. She was not immaculately conceived and she sinned just like all other human beings except for Jesus.

[bible]Romans 3:23[/bible]

She was born with the ability to sin, but lived a sinless life. Meaning she could have sinned, but did not.

 

[country]

Was Mary without sin? Obviously not. I am simply amazed that 15 people out of 24 so far, say she was without sin. It might help to open a bible sometime and try studying people, or at least read! Mary was a sinner and just like every other person born on earth, except the sinless Son of God Himself. You know (Jesus). sheesh

Matthew 18
18Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit. 19And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man and not wanting to disgrace her, planned to send her away secretly.
20But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
21"She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins."
22Now all this took place to fulfill what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet:
23"BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."
24And Joseph awoke from his sleep and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took Mary as his wife,
25but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.



Read on to find out the rest.....

 

[Uphill Battle]

Yes, Mary was without personal sin but like all human beings she was born with original sin.

Gregorios

Evidence of this?

She was born with the ability to sin, but lived a sinless life. Meaning she could have sinned, but did not.

Evidence of this?

 

[HisKid1973]

She was born with the ability to sin, but lived a sinless life. Meaning she could have sinned, but did not.

This would have been extreemly noteworthy. I would think enough so that the scriptures would have noted this victory over sin and death..pax..kim

 

[Uphill Battle]

This would have been extreemly noteworthy. I would think enough so that the scriptures would have noted this victory over sin and death..pax..kim

specifically because it is a dogmatic "must believe."

 

[DiscipleDave]

Disciple Dave, glad to hear how convinced you are about your beliefs.

Another path, yet one of so many, only God knows.

None of us actually KNOW, otherwise how should we worship God?

However God reveals to whom He reveals. i know what i teach is the Truth, for it does not come from me, nor my thinking, nor from my studies, it was told to me, by God.

Mt:21:22: And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

This do, and He shall reveal it to you also.

^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

very true.

I just don't think a 50/50 is good Christology... doesn't change the matter, of course.

confused what it has to do with admonishing the status of woman though?

What am i to do with this generation that is before my eyes. The message had nothing to do with the numbers, only used the numbers to make a point, that only Jesus was part divine, and that Mary was not. Are you yet without understanding ? Mary was 100% human. for those who will debate about numbers, you cannot have more then 100%, it is complete. A person is gives 100% has gave all that they could possibly have given. Anything more then 100% is just illogical. Funny how satan will cause people to veer away from the topic, only to criticize others because of formalities, altogether not getting the message. Mary was 100% human, this is fact and is undebatable, there is not arguement here. She had a human mother and a human father, making her 100% human. Children can understand this. and they shall judge us. Jesus was not 100% human, because He had a divine Father, He did not have a human father, Therefore, now follow me on this. He is only 50% human, that is HALF for those who need clarifying, 50% of something, being in fact 1/2 of something. Therefore Jesus is in fact 50% Human, and 50% divine. If you are yet without understanding concerning the numbers, email me, and i will be more then happy to explain to you what percentages mean. Anyway the main point of the message, wasn't not the percentages, but was that Jesus was not fully human, and Mary was. Mary sinned just as well as all fully humans have.

^i^