Was Kamala aware of Joe’s decline?

[Hammster]

It is a coordinated effort. Harris has certainly caused a stir, and now the attacks from all angles is underway.

Yes!!!! This^^^

I have my orders from MAGA Command and I’m following dutifully.

 

[JustOneWay]

Yes!!!! This^^^

I have my orders from MAGA Command and I’m following dutifully.

It is called talking points. I said nothing about orders, but if you say you are taking orders I believe you It is a coordinated effort. Fortunately, a few of the attacks against Harris are so egregious that they cannot be discussed here at CF.

 

[durangodawood]

....Fortunately, a few of the attacks against Harris are so egregious that they cannot be discussed here at CF.

See, this is exactly the kind of social media bias against conservatives we've been talking about.

 

[Hammster]

It is called talking points. I said nothing about orders, but if you say you are taking orders I believe you It is a coordinated effort. Fortunately, a few of the attacks against Harris are so egregious that they cannot be discussed here at CF.

You indicated that my OP was part of a coordinated effort. Someone must be organizing, and others must be following.

You can edit your post, though, if you meant something else.

 

[probinson]

Often, I really enjoy the humorous satire from The Babylon Bee. In fact, satire and sarcasm are two of the types of humor that I will almost always like.

The sad thing is, The Bee is supposed to be satire, but with all of the crazy things happening now, they're just posting accurate headlines.

 

[Vambram]

Yes!!!! This^^^

I have my orders from MAGA Command and I’m following dutifully.

Sarcasm is a wonderful form of humor. Thank you for getting me to chuckle with a grin.

 

[probinson]

As pertains to this thread, "decline" is actually referring to Bidens age and the effects of age. See the video in post#137.

No, it's referring to cognitive ability. Age is secondary to that concern.

I get that, but we are talking about what qualifies Biden's "decline" as presented in the OP.

The Democrats knew that something was off with Biden as far back as 2021. They actively hid and ignored it.

I don't just accept blank assertions, and I'm particularly wary if they intend to make me think something bad about someone without adequate evidence. I've seen videos of Biden supposedly "wandering away" and "shaking hands with nobody". They all turned out to be propaganda.

Did they? Are you saying Biden didn't wander around lost on stage? Heck, Obama just said last week that he was "startled" by Biden's "disorientation" when he was with him at a fundraiser in June. Surely you don't think Obama is pushing propaganda against Biden, do you?

I've seen videos where he was shown gesturing to the audience or someone in the audience and it was being insinuated that he was reaching out to shake hands with nobody there. I've seen what was called wandering off in videos that had edited out that he was walking to a sky diver who had just landed in a field. I've seen videos edited to look like he was trying to sit down where there was no chair, etc...

Yes. And all of those things were real.

Let's take the skydiver video you referenced. Did you stop to ask yourself, why was Biden the only one that wandered off to talk to that guy? Everyone else stood where they were supposed to be and were lining up to meet the skydivers. But not Biden. Once again, someone had to guide him to where he needed to be.

Granted, that's just one instance. But taken together with constant and frequent memory lapses, calling out for people who had died weeks earlier ("Where's Jackie?") and constantly losing his train of thought when speaking, these are very real signs of cognitive decline.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Hammster said:
I never mentioned age. You did.
childeye 2 said:
And when I did, you said: "Yeah. Decline." <--- that's an affirmation.


Sorry Hammster, but you're just wrong about this. I'm not slandering you just because you claim "Yeah" is not an affirmation in agreement with what you said yeah to.

The way "decline" is qualified is actually irrelevant. Because the slander against Harris, is that Harris was either aware of Biden's decline and didn't say anything like she said she would, or she was not aware and therefore should have been aware. I'm pointing out that you're slandering Kamala Harris whether she was aware or not aware, based on the unproven premise that Biden had definitively declined too far to be able to do the job. Because you give no consideration that Kamala Harris could have been aware of Biden's decline in age but sincerely felt Biden had not declined in age too far to not be able to do the job, you show no grace through faith.

childeye 2 said:
Have you considered that Harris sincerely didn't feel Biden had declined too far to do the job? Did you consider that if she did say something cynicism could just as well contend that she only did so to get the nomination? Devil= accuser/slanderer.
"If she was, what does that say about her, especially since she said she would say something to the American people if the president declined too far."

Hammster said:
Yes. That was option 2.
childeye 2 said:
Respectfully, what you call "option two" does not denote that Harris could have felt Biden had not declined too far. The inference built into the op insinuates that Harris either didn't know Joe was in decline, or she did know he had declined too far but didn't tell the American people.
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So, I want to say on the record, that I'm not slandering anyone by pointing out that the term "decline" is objectively about Biden's age. Nor does it make me a slanderer because you didn't mention it. But getting back to this claim that the word decline in the OP is NOT referring to the effects of age on Biden. See below.

Hammster said:
Was Vice President Harris aware of President Biden’s decline? If she was, what does that say about her, especially since she said she would say something to the American people if the president declined too far.

Was Kamala aware of Joe’s decline? <--- This link is for your post #14. There you will find a media link to x.com which you presented to show where Harris is seen saying she would say something to the American people if the president declined too far.

Below is the original interview.
Go to 12:50 to see the context of the question Harris is being asked. The interviewer will say: "The reason why I'm asking the question is because of his age." He will proceed to convey that he is speaking objectively, not subjectively.

Go to 13:50 to see that Kamala Harris understands the question is about Biden's age.
Go to 15:00 to see where Kamala Harris conveys that she would say something to the American people if the president declined too far.

Can you guys move on.....or at least take it to a PM?

 

[Hammster]

Can you guys move on.....or at least take it to a PM?

I stopped responding.

 

[childeye 2]

No, it's referring to cognitive ability. Age is secondary to that concern.

We're not exactly in disagreement. Let's NOT argue a strawman. This is why what I said below was pursuant to the video of Kamal Harris who is the topic of the OP.

childeye 2 said:
They are when decline is qualified with the effects of getting old.

The Democrats knew that something was off with Biden as far back as 2021. They actively hid and ignored it.

It makes sense that they would not want Biden's senior moments being amplified and magnified in the press. I can't say they ignored it because I've heard many Democrats voice their concerns about his age.

Did they?

Yes, they did.

Are you saying Biden didn't wander around lost on stage?

I don't follow him around everywhere he goes so I can't say for certain either way. I can only say what I saw in the videos I have seen and those videos had intentionally misrepresented the reality. Having said that, I've also spent time helping at senior centers, and most if not all seniors, have their senior moments.

Heck, Obama just said last week that he was "startled" by Biden's "disorientation" when he was with him at a fundraiser in June. Surely you don't think Obama is pushing propaganda against Biden, do you?

I can't say I heard Obama say that, and I don't just accept blank assertions. But I don't need Obama to tell me he looks disoriented at times, and he doesn't at other times. I can see that for myself.

Yes. And all of those things were real.

Let's take the skydiver video you referenced. Did you stop to ask yourself, why was Biden the only one that wandered off to talk to that guy?

No, I would just figure he wanted to go say something to him and others didn't. But that's beside the point. The video commentary actually conveyed that he was wandering away aimlessly while cutting out the skydiver.

Everyone else stood where they were supposed to be and were lining up to meet the skydivers. But not Biden. Once again, someone had to guide him to where he needed to be.

Looked to me like Macron and others were walking around too. It looks like the Italian Prime minister went to get Biden to either show him something or get their picture taken together. He then comes and stands with her both staring at something as he puts on his sunglasses.

Granted, that's just one instance. But taken together with constant and frequent memory lapses, calling out for people who had died weeks earlier ("Where's Jackie?") and constantly losing his train of thought when speaking, these are very real signs of cognitive decline.

I agree the where's Jackie moment looks bad. But I also take into account that the guy probably knows thousands of people, and he probably has a list of people who die on his desk every day. I would think he has someone who writes and sends letters of condolence on his behalf. So, it's plausible that at his age he could have been notified and that she (Jackie) had been on that list, and he forgot.

 

[childeye 2]

Can you guys move on.....or at least take it to a PM?

I posted the actual video of Kamala Harris that the OP is referring to so as to prove a point. There's nothing wrong with proving a point. I don't know what move on is meant to imply nor why you would interject, the discussion is on topic.

 

[Neostarwcc]

I think America is out of luck no matter what the choice. Christians can't and really shouldn't be voting Democrat when the Democratic party is for baby murder and the mutilation of confused peoples bodies and the only Republican nominee is a crook who should be all means be in jail right now. I dont think the country should be able to be ran by a convicted felon who was probably one of the worst presidents in history the first time he was elected. Honestly there really isn't a better choice this election.

As for Kamala Harris, no she isn't fit to run this country when she said that she would let the American people know if Biden was getting to old for the job . But, I don't think any democrat really is fit to run America. It's almost looking like returning to the English monarchy is a better option at this point but naturally America wouldnt want that nor would King Charles probably even take us anyway even if we came running back.

Just out of luck either way.

 

[probinson]

We're not in disagreement.

So we agree.

It makes sense that they would not want Biden's senior moments being amplified and magnified in the press. I can't say they ignored it because I've heard many Democrats voice their concerns about his age.

You keep saying you don't accept blank assertions. Show me examples of the "many Democrats" that were voicing concerns about Biden's cognitive abilities prior to the June 27 debate.

I don't follow him around everywhere he goes so I can't say either way.

I find this odd. The only way we can make a judgment on ANY character in the media is by what we see. Of course we don't follow them around everywhere they go, but certainly we can identify patterns when we watch something occur repeatedly.

I can't say I heard Obama say that, and I don't just accept blank assertions. But I don't need Obama to tell me he looks disoriented at times, and he doesn't at other times. I can see that for myself.

During a campaign fundraising event in June, President Joe Biden's disoriented state while onstage left former President Barack Obama "startled," The New York Times reported.​

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Obama was startled by how 'disoriented' Biden appeared during a June fundraising event, NYT reports

Former President Barack Obama endorsed President Biden for the 2024 race. Now, Biden's age has become a concern for him.

www.businessinsider.com

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Of course, Obama didn't tell us he was "startled" until the Democrats had started their concerted effort to oust Biden. in fact, Obama tweeted support of Biden even after his disastrous debate performance, well after he had been "startled".

No, I would just figure he wanted to go say something to him and others didn't. But that's beside the point. The video commentary actually conveyed that he was wandering away aimlessly while cutting out the skydiver.

You and I must've watched different videos.

I agree the where's Jackie moment looks bad. But I also take into account that the guy probably knows thousands of people, and he probably has a list of people who die on his desk every day. I would think he has someone who must write or send a personal letter of condolence for him. So it's plausible that at his age he could have been notified and that she (Jackie) had been on that list, and he forgot.

Do you see what you're doing? You're excusing and/or downplaying multiple instances. The incident with the skydiver. The fundraising event that "startled" Obama. The lapse in memory calling out someone who died weeks earlier. Let's add last week when he introduced Zelensky as "President Putin", or referred to his VP as "Vice President Trump". All of these things individually could be viewed as "senior moments" as you say. But collectively, they point to someone experiencing cognitive decline.

 

[eleos1954]

So what does that say about Harris?

What does that say about all those in the democratic party?

 

[Hammster]

What does that say about all those in the democratic party?

This thread is just focusing on Harris.

 

[eleos1954]

This thread is just focusing on Harris.

Harris knew better than anyone.

 

[Hammster]

Harris knew better than anyone.

You would think.

 

[childeye 2]

So we agree.

I think we can agree that age has an effect on cognitive ability. I also think that we can agree that the concern is over Biden's ability to perform in his capacity as President of the United States which speaks to his cognitive ability.

You keep saying you don't accept blank assertions. Show me examples of the "many Democrats" that were voicing concerns about Biden's cognitive abilities prior to the June 27 debate.

I was implying they were voicing concerns about his age and health being a detrimental factor in his election in 2020. I didn't mean to imply they felt he was cognitively impaired in 2020. I hope I don't need to convince you that Biden's own campaign knew his age was an issue.

childeye 2 said:
It makes sense that they would not want Biden's senior moments being amplified and magnified in the press. I can't say they ignored it because I've heard many Democrats voice their concerns about his age.

I find this odd. The only way we can make a judgment on ANY character in the media is by what we see. Of course we don't follow them around everywhere they go, but certainly we can identify patterns when we watch something occur repeatedly.

In the media people make more money creating and selling propaganda than telling the truth. I make my judgements by the sentiments I see people expressing as they speak. I can also see when there are disingenuous portrayals of others in those sentiments.

During a campaign fundraising event in June, President Joe Biden's disoriented state while onstage left former President Barack Obama "startled," The New York Times reported.​

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Obama was startled by how 'disoriented' Biden appeared during a June fundraising event, NYT reports

Former President Barack Obama endorsed President Biden for the 2024 race. Now, Biden's age has become a concern for him.

www.businessinsider.com

​

​

Of course, Obama didn't tell us he was "startled" until the Democrats had started their concerted effort to oust Biden. in fact, Obama tweeted support of Biden even after his disastrous debate performance, well after he had been "startled".

I don't know that Obama ever said he was startled. I know some media outlets said that the video shows Biden freezing. But Jimmy Kimmel was actually there, and his account was that Biden wanted to stand and take in the applause from the crowd. I've seen the video. It shows Obama waving goodbye and beginning to head off stage while Biden stands taking in the applause. Obama then reaches back and taps Biden on the wrist from behind beckoning him that it's time to go.

You and I must've watched different videos.

There are several and I've watched all of the ones I am aware of.

Do you see what you're doing? You're excusing and/or downplaying multiple instances. The incident with the skydiver. The fundraising event that "startled" Obama. The lapse in memory calling out someone who died weeks earlier. Let's add last week when he introduced Zelensky as "President Putin", or referred to his VP as "Vice President Trump". All of these things individually could be viewed as "senior moments" as you say. But collectively, they point to someone experiencing cognitive decline.

I'm not denying he's in decline cognitively, I see the decline over the years. I'm not a cynic but in my view, he looked pretty old in 2020. Exposing blatant propaganda is not downplaying anything. But that's not the issue. The OP is about Kamala Harris and the insinuation that she lied about Joe's decline. I actually posted the video and we all can see her express her sentiments and see her demeanor for ourselves.

 

[Postvieww]

Was Vice President Harris aware of President Biden’s decline?

If she was, what does that say about her, especially since she said she would say something to the American people if the president declined too far.

If she wasn’t, is she really the person to lead this country?

Excellent point. Kamala is in no way qualified to be President.

 

[OnePlanPeopleDestiny]

I doubt it. Kamela can't even define something much more basic and simpler than recognizing someone's declining mental acuity, namely: what is a woman.