Was Kamala aware of Joe’s decline?

[Hammster]

Perhaps some do, but my father is 87-years old and I treasure his wisdom. Sure, he shows signs of aging, but he's all there mentally, and possesses literal decades of experience and wisdom.

OTOH, Biden often just rambles incoherently. He has two tells; "look" and "anyway". These are his go to key words when he loses his train of thought, which is quite often.

When my dad was Biden’s age, he had a lot of medical issues, but his mind was sharp.

 

[rturner76]

Here's exactly what Biden actually said...

"Making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person, uh, eligible for what I've been able to do with the, uh, with the COVID, um, excuse me, um, dealing with, everything we have to do with, uh... look, if we finally beat medicare."​

Then graciously, his time was up and Jake Tapper stopped him from embarrassing himself any further.

I have no idea what he "should have said" there, and I don't think he knows what he was trying to say either.

It looks like he was obviously flustered. Being flustered does not lower one's I.Q. or the ability to make decisions. It means "you blew that question. I'm more like to vote for someone who's character I respect and who makes rational decisions even if they arent an A+ performer.

 

[probinson]

It looks like he was obviously flustered. Being flustered does not lower one's I.Q. or the ability to make decisions.

Well sure it does. If you get "flustered" in simple 30-second explanations of your achievements and policies (which happened repeatedly on that debate stage with Biden), it calls into question your ability to make sound decisions in the fist place.

It means "you blew that question. I'm more like to vote for someone who's character I respect and who makes rational decisions even if they arent an A+ performer.

This is all a moot point anyway, as the Democratic establishment has decided Biden's out.

 

[rturner76]

Perhaps some do, but my father is 87-years old and I treasure his wisdom. Sure, he shows signs of aging, but he's all there mentally, and possesses literal decades of experience and wisdom.

OTOH, Biden often just rambles incoherently. He has two tells; "look" and "anyway". These are his go to key words when he loses his train of thought, which is quite often.

I'm glad you brought this up. My mother also being in her middle-late 80s is the first person I go to for advice on basically anything. I even just run things past her just to gain a wiser perspective on a particular question.

However, if you were to put her on stage with the TV makeup, bright lights, and thousands of people in the crowd with almost literally the whole world watching, she would completely shut down and would likely have no response to their questions.

A lot of people, even young people have a word or phrase or word they use when they either blank out or lose their train of thought. "It's like this." "You see" "one thing is." there are a million of them. I'm not saying Biden is the same man or as quick-witted as when he was thirty and it certainly could be an indication of mental decline. I'm just saying we can't sell this based on a public speaking competition.

I myself have done a fair amount of public speaking and training. When I'm on one train of thought speaking about a topic and someone askes me a question about a different aspect of the topic, I get mixed up for a bit and feel like I don't know what I'm talking about. Especially when I don't remember where I was when I got interrupted. If I wrote an essay on the topic, it would all be there and organized. I guess I feel for him because public speaking is a beast and the value of his entire ability to think and make clear decisions is being decided on one bad performance.

 

[durangodawood]

.....This is all a moot point anyway, as the Democratic establishment has decided Biden's out.

Every D I know was like: why is this our candidate this year?

Where the establishment actually blew it was in discouraging competition at the primary level. Now they're just fixing that massive screw up in the only way feasible at this late date.

Ultimately tho this is Bidens own massive screw up: failing to abide by his one term promise.

 

[rturner76]

Well sure it does. If you get "flustered" in simple 30-second explanations of your achievements and policies (which happened repeatedly on that debate stage with Biden), it calls into question your ability to make sound decisions in the fist place.

Well, do you respect your father's ability to make good decisions or do you think he might struggle to come up with a 30-second statement that would cover four years of work highlights?

This is all a moot point anyway, as the Democratic establishment has decided Biden's out.

True but I don't like to see people kick a man when he's down. And I don't like this culture that says people who need a longer amount of time to consider a question that they are less intelligent/wise.

 

[probinson]

I'm glad you brought this up. My mother also being in her middle-late 80s is the first person I go to for advice on basically anything. I even just run things past her just to gain a wiser perspective on a particular question.

However, if you were to put her on stage with the TV makeup, bright lights, and thousands of people in the crowd with almost literally the whole world watching, she would completely shut down and would likely have no response to their questions.

This isn't a fair comparison. Your mother (and my father) aren't career politicians or the President of the United States and don't have ANY experience with public speaking.

A lot of people, even young people have a word or phrase or word they use when they either blank out or lose their train of thought. "It's like this." "You see" "one thing is." there are a million of them. I'm not saying Biden is the same man or as quick-witted as when he was thirty and it certainly could be an indication of mental decline. I'm just saying we can't sell this based on a public speaking competition.

You can listen to him. When he says "look" and "anyway", that's what he says when he can't finish his train of thought. Sure, there are times when I'm speaking that I'm searching for a word, and I'll stall for a moment, but I finish my thought. I don't just trail off or start talking about something else entirely different.

I guess I feel for him because public speaking is a beast and the value of his entire ability to think and make clear decisions is being decided on one bad performance.

That's not accurate. There are many examples of apparent mental decline in Biden over the past few years. The debate was just the most glaring example, but it was not, by any means, the only example.

 

[probinson]

Where the establishment actually blew it was in discouraging competition at the primary level.

On this point, we completely agree.

 

[Bobber]

We won't know about it until long after, but I would not be surprised if she and Cabinet members had some sort of 25th Amendment discussions.

No I don't think so. I think they settled that they all would basically run the country and if you pulled the 25th it would embarrass the democrat party.

 

[probinson]

Well, do you respect your father's ability to make good decisions or do you think he might struggle to come up with a 30-second statement that would cover four years of work highlights?

I think he might struggle to condense something into 30-seconds, but I don't think he would ramble aimlessly like Biden did.

True but I don't like to see people kick a man when he's down. And I don't like this culture that says people who need a longer amount of time to consider a question that they are less intelligent/wise.

I don't like being lied to and gaslit. I suspect I'm not alone.

For years the Democrats and the legacy media tried to pretend like everything was fine with Biden until it was an absolutely untenable position. Joe Scarborough said this about Biden in March:

"Start your tape right now, cause I'm about to tell you the truth. And F U if you can't handle the truth. This version of Biden, intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever. Not a close second."​

You can hear it for yourself at the 2-minute mark in this video:

Remarkably, this was just 4 months ago. That clip certainly has not aged well.

 

[essentialsaltes]

No I don't think so. I think they settled that

That's a 25th Amendment discussion. And one we won't know the details of until well after.

 

[JustOneWay]

Every D I know was like: why is this our candidate this year?

Where the establishment actually blew it was in discouraging competition at the primary level. Now they're just fixing that massive screw up in the only way feasible at this late date.

Ultimately tho this is Bidens own massive screw up: failing to abide by his one term promise.

To be fair, incumbency is a big advantage over the opponent. Did he promise one term? I don't recall that.

 

[Bobber]

How many cabinet meets would they even have? Is there a public record on this? I'm wondering if Biden was kept much in isolation not being where too many could ever see him where he had to function and articulate for any length of time. We do know they did debate prep some say too much, probably trying to get engrained in him his basic statements. I suspect they knew they were walking a tight wire by sending him out there.

Now about Harris? How much interaction did she ever have with him. I think it might be surprising how little interaction a President and Vice actually have.

 

[probinson]

To be fair, incumbency is a big advantage over the opponent. Did he promise one term? I don't recall that.

Former Vice President Joe Biden’s top advisers and prominent Democrats outside the Biden campaign have recently revived a long-running debate whether Biden should publicly pledge to serve only one term, with Biden himself signaling to aides that he would serve only a single term.​

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While the option of making a public pledge remains available, Biden has for now settled on an alternative strategy: quietly indicating that he will almost certainly not run for a second term while declining to make a promise that he and his advisers fear could turn him into a lame duck and sap him of his political capital.​

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According to four people who regularly talk to Biden, all of whom asked for anonymity to discuss internal campaign matters, it is virtually inconceivable that he will run for reelection in 2024, when he would be the first octogenarian president.​

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“If Biden is elected,” a prominent adviser to the campaign said, “he’s going to be 82 years old in four years and he won’t be running for reelection.”​

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Biden signals to aides that he would serve only a single term

Advisers weigh the merits of a one-term pledge by the 77-year-old former vice president.

www.politico.com

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Just more lies.

 

[childeye 2]

It isn’t necessarily sinister. It could be incompetence.

childeye 2 said: Have you considered that Harris sincerely didn't feel Biden had declined too far to do the job? Did you consider that if she did say something, cynicism could just as well contend that she only did so to get the nomination? <--- Devil= accuser/slanderer.

 

[Bobber]

And, as others have stated, while Biden has declined, the evidence suggests that Biden is still capable of leading for the next several months.

I'm guessing many choose to have a different interpretation of just what the evidence suggests. This generation could be looked upon as one who failed to employ the 25th when in real terms they should have. It may be considered a text book example of political expediency.

Expediency means doing what is convenient rather than what is morally right.

 

[Bobber]

I am glad though for compassionate reasons he's out of the position he was in trying to go out there making it seem like everything was OK. It probably was a lot of stress on him to do this play acting. Now at least he can have no stress of a busy agenda and hopefully live out the rest of his life in peace. It will be better for his life to do so. I'd tell Joe if I were his family, "Look if the nation must have an 81 year old man who's struggling to govern the nation it's not much of a nation anyway!"

 

[rturner76]

I don't like being lied to and gaslit.

Then why on God's green Earth would you support someone like Donald Trump? Fact-checking organizations have proven tens of thousands of his statements to be complete falsehoods. The same number or more have been proven to be exaggerations and half-truths. Each one of the thousands of outright lies are posted, and then the reason why it is a lie is posted along with that PLUS the source where the lie has been proven to be a lie.

When I point these lies out , why they are lies and how it can be proven to be a lie I get one of two responses.

1) It's the Liberal media, they are the real liars. Keep in mind that 75% of the United States media on all platforms is owned by donating Republicans.

2) they wave it off and proclaim "Politicians lie." This is true in many cases but the sheer deluge of fiction he feeds to his followers who greedily sop up and spread is unfathomable. It's becoming like a cult where "The Great Leader) in incapable of wrongdoing or making mistakes. This is a truly staggering phenomenon.

I wasn't even voting for Biden and I'm not voting for Harris. I am voting against Donald Trump. He and his cult are truly frightening. So Harris' opinion of Biden's performance is not even relevant. Democrats had to dump Joe because they can't risk letting a megalomaniac be Commander-in-Chief.

 

[durangodawood]

.....This is all a moot point anyway, as the Democratic establishment has decided Biden's out.

Most of the D voters wanted him out too, after the debate debacle.

Heck the Rs argued ceaselessly from all quarters that hes too far gone to serve another four years. Now theyre upset to be getting exactly what they asked for. Oops.

 

[Hammster]

childeye 2 said: Have you considered that Harris sincerely didn't feel Biden had declined too far to do the job? Did you consider that if she did say something, cynicism could just as well contend that she only did so to get the nomination? <--- Devil= accuser/slanderer.

Yes, the first consideration is in the OP. The second one you bring up could be worse. It would mean she’s more concerned about herself than the country.