GenemZ
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Sorry, you are not reading and believing the words of our Lord.
Jesus said:
“For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.” (John 5:21).
Listen carefully to what Jesus said. Jesus said as the Father raises up the dead, and quickens (makes alive), even so the Son quickens (makes alive) whom he will. Does the Father need help in raising the dead? No. So this means that Jesus also has the same power. For while Paul raised the dead, Paul himself could not say that he could quicken or make alive the dead in the same way that the Father does. This would imply Paul would be God and he simply was not.
John 2:19 is also unmistakable. Jesus said he would raise up the temple (i.e. His body). Yes, I am aware that Scripture also says that the Father, and the Spirit raised Jesus, too. But Jesus was also included in that act because He said so Himself in John 2:19.
Jesus had power as God during His earthly ministry. To not have power as God means one is not God.
This means Jesus merely suppressed His divine attribute of Omniscience.
He took on the form of a servant and made himself of no reputation.
Your imagining things or you are following what Modern Translations say.
Hebrews 1:3 talks about how Christ held all things together by the word of His power when He purged us of our sins. Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29). Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20).
Jesus spoke and did everything the Father commanded Him to do. He did works by the Father and the Spirit. But He also acted of His own divine power, as well. To forgive (absolve) sin is only a divine attribute of God. All sin is ultimately done towards God. No man can take the role of God and forgive their sin in the same way that man forgives another for wrong done against him. Jesus can absolve sin on the behalf of God because He is God. It's an exclusive divine power only God has. Jesus is the only mediator between God the Father and man.
As for your reference about Jesus relying upon the Bible:
Well, there was no such thing as a Bible during the time of Christ's earthly ministry. It was not called that back then. There was the Holy Scriptures in the form of scrolls, etc.; But there was no book as we know it today that said “Holy Bible” on the cover during His earthly ministry.
This the problem you are having. You think I am saying Jesus is not God. What I am saying? Is that The Son of God.. Being God.. Denied Himself of His right to be as God.. and with His second nature (soul) became as a man. A man that was not allowed to resort back to implementing and using His powers of Deity.. until after he finished the work of dying for all men as a man.
Yes, Jesus is doing all things as God because He returned to Heaven. He no longer has to be as a man solely as he needed to make himself be while walking on earth as the Second Adam.
Read again. You will see He had to cease being as God when he entered the Incarnation. Cease in his ability and power to be God until he finished his work on the Cross.
Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God
a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,
being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled
himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Philippians 2:6-8
a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,
being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled
himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Philippians 2:6-8
Yes, He is God! I am not saying he is not God. He is all the things you speak of. But, what you are failing to see? Wile he was awaiting to die for our sins, while having to remain as a man? He needed to deny himself of his right to function as God.
Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God
a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,
being born in the likeness of men.
That is what you are failing to understand. He had to put on hold being as God while being tested by every temptation a man can know and overcoming it as a man, and until he finished his work on the Cross that required he be the perfect man. a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,
being born in the likeness of men.
grace and peace
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