yeshuasavedme said:
Now, if you'll read the Bible on the history of the dispersion of the Jews you'll see that never in the history of that people have every 'grain" of them been gathered back to the nation of Israel, with not one of them remaining in the Gentile nations. they have never all returned, as promised.
Look, HiddenManna -not one grain of them will be left that has been sifted among all the Gentiles when He sends His angels to gather them back after the great tribulation:
Amos 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as [corn] is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
Not Biblical Israel
Are the Jews that live in Israel today the same as the Jews of the Bible?
Have you heard the news reports? Jews are returning to Israel. This is one of the predicted signs that Jesus is coming soon! Not really. The Jews in Israel today are not the biblical Jews in our bible by any stretch of the imagination. That is certainly no argument. There is no Jewish Race today, let alone this being a sign that we are near the end of the Church age, Here is a quote from Encyclopedia Brittanica (1973), vol. 12, page 1054, were it actually states. The finding of physical anthropology show that, contrary to the popular view, there is on Jewish race.
Anthropometric measurement of Jewish groups in many parts of the world indicate that they differ greatly from one another with respect to all the important physical characteristics.
The reason behind this, of course is mixed bloodlines through the mixed marriages bringing about the most mixed racial origins of these people today. On top of that, the majority of so-called Jews in the world today are not Jews at all. (Even with the mixed blood), because their ancestry is that of the Khazars whose ancestors go far back to the turks and Huns, and who as a nation in A.D. 740 adopted the Jewish religion and became known as Jews.
Just as a side note here, let me say that those premillennialists today who hold to the viewpoint that so-called Israels being set up as a nation in Palestine is Biblical fulfillment are doing so contrary to the fact surrounding the evidence in historical documentation. Even if someone really wonted to proof he was a biblical Jew from the blood line of Abraham he could not because all the records and genealogy were destroyed in A.D. 70
Evangelist John L Bray who has spent many years around the world in many libraries gives us further historical documentation on this. He states in his book Matthew 24 Fulfilled page 210:
The prediction of judgment upon Israel was for THAT generation. That generation of opposed of Christ had said, His blood be on us, and on our children (Matthew 27:25). And it was. That judgment came about in A.D. 67-70, and the nation was decimated. Some say that the Jews today are guilty of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. This is not true any more that are Gentiles who reject Him now. The nation that was officially guilty of the death of Christ received its judgment. Gods judgment is not upon Jews today because of what others did many years ago. We need to understand this.
In settlers of Khazaria were Turks and Huns. In A.D. 740 King Buulan of Khazaria decided to adopt the Judaisticreligion for his country. A number of Jews were already living there. So he converted to Judaism, along with all his officials, and his whole nation ended up being known as a nation of Jews. In 907 Russia came in and dominated the situation, and the Khazars were scattered, many of them going down into Poland and Lithuania, where at the dawn of our modern civilization the largest concentration of Jews were found. Today, the largest percentage of so-called Jews in the world have as their background this group of people. This is fully documented in detail in my book, Israel in Bible Prophecy.
Naturally, these people are not a race of Jews, and yet it is thought by some that they constitute the major portion of the 14,000,000 so-called Jews in the world today. Their features are different than the Sephardim Jews; their language backgrounds are different (the Ashkenazim speaking Yiddish, and the Sephardim with their Hebrew and many of them who speak Spanish on account of their own mixed-up background in Spain). In Israel they have their separate organizations, and the nation there is divided between these two mixed-up bloodlines of people. In the 12th century the Ashkenazim Jews made up only 6.7% of the Jews, but around 1965 they numbered 11,000,000 or about 86% of all the Jews in the world. Think of the implications of this!
In a recent book, Palestine is Coming, by Kermit Zarley, it was stated that British Minister of State Lord Moyne supported his governments White Paper of 1939 by publicly opposing further Jewish immigration. He argued the Jews were not demonstrably the true descendants of the ancient Hebrews and therefore without legitimate claim to the Holy Land. He meant that Jews were hardly a pure race, being a much more heterogeneous group that popularly conceived. For this, he was assassinated by the Stern Group on November 6, 1994 (Kermit Zarley, p.131).
A common error and persistent modern myth is the designation of the Jews as a race. This is scientifically fallacious, from the standpoint of both physical and historical tradition. Investigations by anthropologists have shown the Jews are by no means uniform in physical character and that they nearly always reflect the physical and mental characteristics of the people among whom they live (Colliers Encyclopedia, 1977, vol. 13, p. 573).
Being a Jew has nothing to do with race as such. Sammy Davis, Jr. became a Jew. Elizabeth Taylor became a Jew when she married Eddie Fisher. In June of 1991 Tom Arnold and Roseanne Barr, the T.V. entertainer, renewed publicly their wedding vows, and he was celebration his conversion to Judaism. Jews can be of different races. It is like someone who is a Catholic or a Protestant; they can be of any race or color. In Israel they have a peculiar law which says what their government says is a Jew. I quote this from Funk and wagnalls New Encyclopedia, vol. 14, p 214: In 1970 the Israeli Knesset adopted legislation defining a Jew as one born of a Jewish mother or a convert. It matters not who the father is, nor to what race he belongs. And a convert can be from and race. So you see, we are not talking about a race of people when we talk about the Jewish people.
What difference does it make weather a Jewish person is a blood descendent of Abraham? There seems to be little doubt that the proper identification of Israel is the cornerstone of correct theology. Modern Israel is considered, by some, to be the blood inheritors of the promises given to Abraham. However there is no way in the would anyone can prove they are a biblical Jew because all the genealogys were destroyed in 70 A.D God made shore of that.
Politicians speak of a Jewish race in Biblical references to garner support for the nation of Israel. Religious folk make the claim of an Jewish race to promote the idea of futurity for the nation in the prophetic scheme of things.
Numerous verses identify Israel, in New Testament prophecy, in terms of their tribal associations; however, these associations do not (and cannot, as will be seen) extend beyond the first century. One example of this is Matthew 24:30, where Christ declares that the tribes of the (land) shall mourn. Knowing that no New Testament prophecy extends beyond the first century, we recognize the fulfillment of this verse in that Israel, prior to the destruction of Jerusalem, was reckoned in tribal relations. Paul, for instance, refers to his being of the stock of Benjamin in Romans 11:1. Another example of tribal reference in NT prophecy is the counting of the first century first-fruits to the Lord (notice that they are not last-fruits) in Revelation chapter 7, verse 4.
After the destruction of Jerusalem, however, the nation of Israel after the flesh was scattered throughout the earth, and lost all tribal relations. This scattering was made immutable due to the fact that all tribal genealogical records were destroyed with the Second Temple in A.D. 70. The simple fact is that there is no existing Jewish race.
Consider the following quotations:
The Encyclopedia Brittanica (1973)
The Jews As A Race: The findings of physical anthropology show that, contrary to the popular view, there is no Jewish race. Anthropornetric measurements of Jewish groups in many parts of the world indicate that they differ greatly from one another with respect to all the important physical characteristics. (vol. 12, page 1054)
Encyclopedia Judaica Jerusalem (1971)
It is a common assumption, and one that sometimes seems ineradicable even in the face of evidence to the contrary, that the Jews of today constitute a race, a homogeneous entity easily recognizable. From the preceding discussion of the origin and early history of the Jews, it should be clear that in the course of their formation as a people and a nation they had already assimilated a variety of racial strains from people moving into the general area they occupied. This had taken place by interbreeding and then by conversion to Judaism of a considerable number of communities. . . .
Thus, the diversity of the racial and genetic attributes of various Jewish colonies of today renders any unified racial classification of them a contradiction in terms. Despite this, many people readily accept the notion that they are a distinct race. This is probably reinforced by the fact that some Jews are recognizably different in appearance from the surrounding population. That many cannot be easily identified is overlooked and the stereotype for some is extended to all - a not uncommon phenomenon (Encyclopedia Judaica Jerusalem, 1971, vol. 3, p. 50).
Encyclopedia Americana (1986)
Racial and Ethnic Considerations. Some theorists have considered the Jews a distinct race, although this has no factual basis. In every country in which the Jews lived for a considerable time, their physical traits came to approximate those of the indigenous people. Hence the Jews belong to several distinct racial types, ranging, for example, from fair to dark. Among the reasons for this phenomenon are voluntary or involuntary miscegenation and the conversion of Gentiles to Judaism (Encyclopedia Americana, 1986, vol. 16, p. 71).
Colliers Encyclopedia (1977)
A common error and persistent modern myth is the designation of the Jews as a race! This is scientifically fallacious, from the standpoint of both physical and historical tradition. Investigations by anthropologists have shown that Jews are by no means uniform in physical character and that they nearly always reflect the physical and mental characteristics of the people among whom they five (Colliers Encyclopedia, 1977, vol. 13, p. 573).
Today, being a Jew simply means that one is of the Judaistic religion or a convert to it, or else in a brotherhood of those who are. Therefore, being a Jew has nothing to do with race. We are familiar with a number of notable figures, such as Sammy Davis, Jr., Elizabeth Taylor, and Tom Arnold, in fact, who became Jews by conversion to the religion of Judaism. In fact, one is defined a Jew by legal dispensation or coercion, with race playing no part at all:
Funk and Wagnalls New Encyclopedia (1970)
In 1970 the Israeli Knesset adopted legislation defining a Jew as one born of a Jewish mother or a convert. (vol. 14, p. 214)
H.G. Wells
There can be little doubt that the scattered Phoenicians in Spain and Africa and throughout the Mediterranean, speaking as they did a language closely akin to Hebrew and being deprived of their authentic political rights, became proselytes to Judaism. For phases of vigorous proselytism alternated with phases of exclusive jealousy in Jewish history. On one occasion the Idumeans, being conquered, were all forcibly made Jews. There were Arab tribes who were Jews in the time of Muhammad, and a Thrkish people who were mainly Jews in South Russia in the ninth century. Judaism is indeed the reconstructed political ideal of many shattered peoples - mainly Semitic.... The main part of Jewry never was in Judea and had never come out of Judea (The Outline of History, p. 505).
Therefore, we can clearly and confidently assert that there is no such thing as a Jewish race, or fleshly Israel, nor ever can there be again.
