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Dan 9v31 is in referance to the destruction of the jews in 70 AD.after the AoD When you join the military you submit all your rights, and an inteligence anilist requires a security clearance, the revoking of wich would be a normal response to such crasy ideas, only unstable peaple buy into this nonsence and we dont give security clearances to unstable peaple, well not normally anyway. Mr buswell was well aware of the risk he was taking.Micahyah said:And those who understand among the people shall teach many; yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by exile, and spoil, for days.
(Dan 11:33)
Under Fire! U.S. Army Intelligence Analyst Targeted For Suggesting New Independent 9/11 Investigation
The Lone Star Iconoclast, Monday, August 21, 2006
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Army: Doubting Official 9/11 Story Is Disloyal To The United States
FT. SAM HOUSTON, Texas Forty-one-year-old Sergeant First Class Donald Buswell is a hero. Having served over 19 years in the United States Army, Buswell has seen a lot of terrain. On April 15, 2004, he was injured in a rocket attack while serving a tour in Iraq. For this, SFC Buswell was given a Purple Heart. And until recently, Buswell was an Intelligence Analyst stationed at Ft. Sam Houston, Texas.
But if one were to ask Buswells Commanding Officer what he thinks of the Sergeant, the response would likely sound a little bit more like, "No comment."
Such were the words given to The Iconoclast by Lieutenant Colonel Jane Crichton after inquiring why SFC Buswell is the focus of an investigation initiated by Colonel Luke S. Green, Chief of Staff at Fifth Army in Ft. Sam Houston.
According to unnamed military sources contacted by The Iconoclast, SFC Buswell "used his Government issued email account to send messages disloyal to the United States " Because of these statements, SFC Buswell could soon find himself dishonorably discharged, court marshaled, or worse.
It all started as a simple response to a common, unsolicited mass email, sent to 38 individuals at Ft. Sam Houston on Aug. 2, 2006. The message, as well as Buswells response, is among documents obtained by The Iconoclast. The sender of the first message is identified as "Anderson, Larry Mr JMC". It reads:
Quote:This is being sent more as assurance for what happens when a plane hits a nuclear site more so than in response to that German website alleging a government conspiracy related to the 9/11 Pentagon plane crash (though the website does present an interesting perspective) LarrySubject: F-4 vs. Concrete Wall
Take a look at this clip [not included] and youll get a good feel for what happens to an airplane when it hits a concrete wall. Many of you have seen the produced (but not factual), Michael Moore-esque website that asks the question; "If its true that a Boeing airliner hit the Pentagon, what happened to all the parts of it? Why do we not find more pieces of it?
Where did all that mass GO???" (Therefore, the paranoid loony liberal reasoning, 9-11 must have been a US govt conspiracy!) Well, for those who question what happened to "all the mass of that airplane".......watch this clip.
Its the old Air Force engineering tests of the concrete barrier that surrounds nuclear reactor domes tests to see if it will indeed survive an aerial attack. With the hi-speed cameras rolling, they accelerated an F-4 Phantom to 500mph and.........
Recall: "What happens when an Unstoppable Force meets an Immovable Object???" (Remember, as you watch in slow motion as the F-4 turns to vapor, the Phantom was one of the toughest airplanes ever built).
SFC Buswell responded later that day, saying:
Quote:Subject: F-4 vs. Concrete Wall Hello,
I receive many unsolicited e-mails daily, this one I chose to respond to. The below mentioned premise that an F4 Phantom fighter jet hitting that hardened concrete barrier is akin to the alleged 757 hitting the Pentagon is like oil and water; they dont mix, and they serve to muddy the issue. The issue is 911 was filled with errors in the official report and official story of that day, and, what happened that day. We all know and saw 2 planes hitting the WTC buildings, we didnt see the 757 hit the Pentagon, nor did we see the plane crash in Shanksville PA. Both the PA and Pentagon crashes dont have clues and tell-tale signs of a jumbo-jet impacting those zones!
The Pentagon would have huge wing impacts in the side of the building; it didnt. Shanksville PA would have had debris, and a large debris field; it didnt.
Getting back to the F4...The Pentagon isnt a nuclear hardened structure, so I cant follow your weak logic that since an F4 vaporized itself in a test impact on a nuclear hardened structure that the alleged 757 hitting the Pentagon should have exhibited the same characteristics!
I say Occums razor is the best way to deduce this day of infamy; if you weigh all options, do some simple studying you will see 911 was clearly not executed by some arabs in caves with cell phones and 3 day old newspapers! I mean how are Arabs benefiting from pulling off 911? They have more war, more death and dismal conditions, so, how did 911 benefit them? Answer: It didnt. So, who benefited from 9-11? The answer is sad, but simple; The Military Industial [sic] Complex.
Its not a paranoid conspiracy to think there are conspiracies out there...and, its not Liberal Lunacy either, nor is it Conservative Kookiness! People, fellow citizens weve been had! We must demand a new independent investigation into 911 and look at all options of that day, and all plausabilities [sic], even the most incredulous theories must be examined.
Upon returning to his office the next day, Buswell discovered the locks had been changed, his security clearance was revoked, and an investigation had been launched. Buswells commanding officer, Colonel Luke Green, drafted a letter assigning Major Edwin Escobar to the investigation. According to sources, Colonel Green has asserted that SFC Buswell failed to obey Army regulations when he used his government issued email account to send what have been termed as messages disloyal to the United States with the intent of stirring up disloyalty, in a manner that brings discredit upon the United States Army.
It has been reported that Colonel Green also wrote that SFC Buswell claims to have information proving a conspiracy on the part of the United States Military Industrial Complex to attack targets within the United States, e.g., The Pentagon. Officials have suggested that the email response sent by SFC Buswell may be in violation of CFR 2635.705(a ), DoD-R 5500.7, and Joint Ethics Regulation paragraph 2-301b. These rules SFC Buswell is said to have perhaps violated regulate how soldiers utilize government resources, how they use their off-duty time, and how they use their official time.
The Iconoclast attempted to establish a dialogue with Colonel Green and Major Escobar, but calls were not returned as of press time. SFC Buswell declined to comment on the investigation, but noted that he spoke with his parents about the matter for a period of two days before he was ordered to not disclose any further information.
"My son spoke with me about [the investigation]," said Winthrop Buswell, SFC Buswells father. "There was an unsolicited email. My son, without divulging anything, without usurping anything, without doing anything to discredit anyone in any way, simply responded to that saying Yes, there are what ifs. And maybe there is something that is being covered up. Thats all that I know. He responded to it, but it was unsolicited. I think of course, Im dad, being very much in love with his son and wanting to praise him because he is a low man on the totem pole, of course hes of pretty high rank but not quite an officer, that maybe Maybe an investigation might be the scapegoat for whomever."
"That is so ridiculous," said Winthrop Buswell. "[To say he is disloyal to the United States] is totally ridiculous. And the discourtesy was, ah, very apparent at that particular time. Ive always thought the American way is this: to disagree is important. To dissent is important. And my son simply said, without any fanfare, Look, lets take a look at the whole picture. If you want to take a look at that, maybe there are a few paragraphs that a Michael Moore might want to emphasize. That is all that my son has said. Never, however, to at all disparage the country and the patriotism that is so necessary for all of us. But, patriotism, as suggested by FOX News [Bill OReilly], is following the line of George W. Bush and cohorts completely! All my son is saying is, Hey, maybe theres a what if. Never, though, did he get sidetracked from the fact that [he loves his] country."
"What disturbed him more than anything else, I think, was the fact that the Iraqi citizens suffered so much and are suffering so much now," said Winthrop Buswell. "The time that he was injured, there were several Iraqis burning to death in front of him. He tried to put out the fire. It was a traumatic experience for him. He spoke about that a number of times, and how terrible that was to see the citizenry being killed and suffering so much."
"One of his heroes is Abraham Lincoln," Winthrop Buswell continued. "And Abraham Lincoln said many things, but one of the things he said - and Im paraphrasing - was, I may disagree with the fellow whos speaking, but I will stand and defend his right to speak. Thats my sons position. He does look at the what ifs. But that doesnt take away from his dedication and his patriotism. I dont know a fellow who gets more chills running up and down his spine when he sees the flag flying."
"As a boy, [Donald was] always a very curious fellow," he added. "Very daring, but never risking anything or stepping over the line. He loved motorcycles, but was always very cautious about it, always wearing proper clothing, always wearing a helmet. Also, he was very active in little model racing cars. He was in Cub Scouts. I remember walking to the gymnasium with him and having wonderful conversations with him years ago. His mother and I went through a divorce, and that is never easy for anyone. My son was also very close to his grandfather on his mothers side, and also his grandfather and grandmother on my side. Donald loves railroading, and my father has the best job that anyone could ever have. Hes a locomotive engineer, and my son related to that. My son also has a strong belief in a power greater than ourselves."
"But one of the things that stands out is his love and his caring," said Winthrop, choking back tears. "He loves children. Hes just the greatest guy, as far as I am concerned. He walks into a room with a big smile on his face. Hes like my dad he makes you feel like, you know I I care for you. Ah, hes Hes my son "
The Iconoclast will continue reporting on this story as new details become available.
What does this mean? You don't say anything here?. Just type this:inhisdebt said:Yes, we all know money makes things happen in this world but support GW Bush at that time would have been like a fart in the car, it would not have been well recieved, particularly in something illegal, your suppositions simply lack merit, evidence and reason.
Sergeant Buswell is not alone, according to Colonel Donn de Grand-Pre, who (back in 2004) estimated it was 70% of the military, during an interview with Alex Jones:Micahyah said:Army: Doubting Official 9/11 Story Is ‘Disloyal To The United States’
You ignored my previose statements, buildings falling to meet an engineers expectations is not unusual remember the big dig, it happens all the time, what do you think, there going to do take it back down because it doesnt meet some hypethetical scenario, or could they even test it to prove wether it would work or not, in the end the buildings durability under differant scenarios is dependant on the engeneers design, and the builders putting the building together to appropriate specifications and with proper materials, both of wich typically are not meet as the cost of production rises corners get cut. Quality is the first victim of soaring budget costs. In the end the liklyhood that the buildings were not actually up to the original design expectations is greater than not. And no engineer in the world is going to admit it. And no one could be held accountable for the buildings failing under those circumstances, so scandal is not happening. You seem to forget the person responsable for flying the airplaines into the buildings is the person responsible for the building falling down. Not some engineer with poor calculations or a builing contractor on a budgetgwynedd1 said:What does this mean? You don't say anything here?. Just type this:
ofdjoiivnnvijfnfnvnjnnn vm&$^$$$#T
Same result.
I point out that 3 buildings FAILED in their designs and that is poor reasoning? People died in a fire because of stair well locks in Chicago and that was a big deal. This is either an inside job OR a sky scraper scandal. So what are you talking about telling me about reasoning?
inhisdebt said:You ignored my previose statements, buildings falling to meet an engineers expectations is not unusual remember the big dig, it happens all the time, what do you think, there going to do take it back down because it doesnt meet some hypethetical scenario, or could they even test it to prove wether it would work or not, in the end the buildings durability under differant scenarios is dependant on the engeneers design, and the builders putting the building together to appropriate specifications and with proper materials, both of wich typically are not meet as the cost of production rises corners get cut. Quality is the first victim of soaring budget costs. In the end the liklyhood that the buildings were not actually up to the original design expectations is greater than not. And no engineer in the world is going to admit it. And no one could be held accountable for the buildings failing under those circumstances, so scandal is not happening. You seem to forget the person responsable for flying the airplaines into the buildings is the person responsible for the building falling down. Not some engineer with poor calculations or a builing contractor on a budget
Heres your answer:gwynedd1 said:I do not know which part about designed for an impact from a commercial jet you do not understand. It will include fuel, impact , fires and gravity. It was either a flawed design where the engineering did not meet its goal or something else brought them down. END OF STORY.
Driver said:
I would love for that to happen.HowardDean said:I think we should just quit speculating on this and go on with Jesus.
And the shrinking engines?Acts6:5 said:That's a pretty lame attempt to "debunk". He pastes large portions from the Myth site, but most of his "refutations" consists of a couple sentences, at most a small paragraph or two per quote. Nice try attempting to discredit the site though.
In Christ,
Acts6:5
gwynedd1 said:
Acts6:5 said:That's an easy one. If you read the following link it will clearly show you that the "shrinking" engine piece is in fact from a 757. My friend, you are being mislead: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
In Christ,
Acts6:5
Any web site that offers an honest challenge is welcome by those that are trying to get to the truth. Do you think the "Myths" guy will join "Scholars for 911 Truth"? That refutation of "Myths" comes from a student member of that group, and I'm sure it's just a work-in-progress.That's a pretty lame attempt to "debunk". He pastes large portions from the Myth site, but most of his "refutations" consists of a couple sentences, at most a small paragraph or two per quote. Nice try attempting to discredit the site though.
Again your ignoring my answers, Then again ignoring the obviose seems to be typical of those who hold to these conspiracy theories. building 7 was heavily damaged from the fall of other buildings that damage can be seen on films Though most of the films dwell on the three sides not damaged. Pull it would be instructions to pull the firemen out of the building, not pull the building down. Given the losses the firemen sustained that day its unlikely they felt they could defeat the fire why take additional risks.gwynedd1 said:and you ignore building 7 again budump bum
Acts6:5 said:That's an easy one. If you read the following link it will clearly show you that the "shrinking" engine piece is in fact from a 757. My friend, you are being mislead: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
In Christ,
Acts6:5
inhisdebt said:Again your ignoring my answers, Then again ignoring the obviose seems to be typical of those who hold to these conspiracy theories. building 7 was heavily damaged from the fall of other buildings that damage can be seen on films Though most of the films dwell on the three sides not damaged. Pull it would be instructions to pull the firemen out of the building, not pull the building down. Given the losses the firemen sustained that day its unlikely they felt they could defeat the fire why take additional risks.
Driver said:The part could be from the Auxillary Power Unit used in a Boeing 757 with a Rolls Royce RB211 engine. The mystery of what hit the Pentagon could be easily cleared up if they were to release more video footage. Many believe that the "plane/no plane" contoversy is part of a campaign of "disinformation" that Rumsfeld started (Rumsfeld had said in an October 2001 interview with Parade magazine that a "missile" had hit the Pentagon). Such hoaxes are seen as "brilliant tactics to discredit the real evidence":
see http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon-truth.html
http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/index.html
Any web site that offers an honest challenge is welcome by those that are trying to get to the truth. Do you think the "Myths" guy will join "Scholars for 911 Truth"? That refutation of "Myths" comes from a student member of that group, and I'm sure it's just a work-in-progress.
I believe it's great that some of the claims of Loose Change are being critically reviewed within the community, such as:
Sifting Through Loose Change
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