War!!!!

[vajradhara]

I like this post from a fellow soldier. Are you 11B Bourbon? I have the most respect for those guys...

why more for 11B and not 11C, for instance?

 

[WhySoSerious77]

Let see if I can come-up with an answer to your question.

give a verse from your book which is authentic and validated by all sects of chritianity confirming it is the saying of Jesus (AS).

Now don't give a twist to the subject at hand, you said;

I follow the commands of Allah. Command of Allah is to obey Allah and His Rasuls.

What do you obey regarding Jesus? Simple question, this has nothing to blame on Biblical authenticy, it has nothing to do with Bible, especially IT SHOULD NOT when talking about what you are commanded in Allah's word Quran. So go ahead answer the question without twisting.

 

[WhySoSerious77]

why more for 11B and not 11C, for instance?

Are you kidding? What is the purpose of this question? Did I say anything about "more" for someone in particular? Maybe I should have said 11X?

Or should I have said like my friend bookofknowledge "I do not like people to interfere in-between" because I was asking a question to Bourbon?

Anyway, what is the difference? Were you a 11C? One is infantryman the other is indirect fire infantryman, different from us aviation guys and most people in my field do have it easier than them. We admire their skill in what they do, their ruck marches, field trainings etc.

 

[WhySoSerious77]

You don't follow man made rules does this mean you don't follow any man made rule?

I need to remove the pacifist what now? I guess I have to re-think with regards to why I am on this forum?

Well you do run in circles really well. I didn't even hint on what you conveniently misunderstand. Man made rules, think about it, you will figure what I am talking about, if not there is no point keeping this conversation.

As for the second remark, you read what I wrote, it is your choice.

 

[WhySoSerious77]

I do not like people to interfere in-between but Thanks, would you be kind to post the verses and make sure those verses are acceptable by all sects of Christianity.

Find a Christian "sect' that does NOT ACCEPT Gospel of Matthew and we will take it from there, until then you answer the question according to Quran.

 

[vajradhara]

Namaste Bushmaster,

thank you for the post.

Are you kidding?

not really, it was a serious question.

What is the purpose of this question?

to understand what you found about 11B to have you say ".... the most respect..." as compared to the other combat arms MOSs.

Did I say anything about "more" for someone in particular? Maybe I should have said 11X?

Or should I have said like my friend bookofknowledge "I do not like people to interfere in-between" because I was asking a question to Bourbon?

if you'd like to not respond to my query, you are free to do so

Anyway, what is the difference?

i'm sure that you know exactly what the difference is between 11B and 11C... as you indicate in your next sentence

Were you a 11C?

nope, 18B.. back in the day.

One is infantryman the other is indirect fire infantryman, different from us aviation guys and most people in my field do have it easier than them. We admire their skill in what they do, their ruck marches, field trainings etc.

see... you did know the difference no doubt, there is a great deal of difference between the various MOSs... have you heard the term REMF, yet?

 

[BourbonFromHeaven]

Hiya

Yea, 11B1P

thanks for the kind words. From the perspective of a former RTO- can most certinly respect what CAS can bring to the fight

 

[BourbonFromHeaven]

why more for 11B and not 11C, for instance?

One poor muldoon has to jump a base plate and the other doesn't

bwhehehehe

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Now don't give a twist to the subject at hand, you said;

What do you obey regarding Jesus? Simple question, this has nothing to blame on Biblical authenticy, it has nothing to do with Bible, especially IT SHOULD NOT when talking about what you are commanded in Allah's word Quran. So go ahead answer the question without twisting.

I am not twisting or diverting the subject at hand.

I think I am one step ahead in thinking of what you might say when I say what I obey regarding Jesus (AS) that is why I have asked you to post the verse which is commonly agreed by all sects of christianity. I don't want to be in a situation for example a single church believe in something but the priest in that same church doesn't believe what church believe.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Well you do run in circles really well. I didn't even hint on what you conveniently misunderstand. Man made rules, think about it, you will figure what I am talking about, if not there is no point keeping this conversation.

As for the second remark, you read what I wrote, it is your choice.

I don't understand which is why I am here running in circles. To me one can either be a christian who live by the laws set by Jesus or live by their own desires.

So if you don't follow Man made rules then who gave you permission to join army - was it Jesus?

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Find a Christian "sect' that does NOT ACCEPT Gospel of Matthew and we will take it from there, until then you answer the question according to Quran.

hey you are a Christian - Aren't you? so why are you asking me to find a christian?

If Gospel of Mathew is accepted by ALL sects of Christianity then go ahead give me a verse. - Post the verse if you are truthful in your claim.

 

[WhySoSerious77]

see... you did know the difference no doubt, there is a great deal of difference between the various MOSs... have you heard the term REMF, yet?

Rear Echelon Mother..... Figure...

Especially in aviation, usually more often in school, you'd see a pilot or a drill, with a CIB or a Ranger tab or rarely SF tab, these people are respected in AVN community. My Company CO is a pilot, has a CIB, Airborne and Air Assault, and a ranger. Hi-speed. I do have most respect for my INF guys because first I have a few best buddies in there, and I see what they are doing in Iraq. We never do that, it is their life. IMO, SF and Rangers get great respect from me, but INF is different.

 

[WhySoSerious77]

From the perspective of a former RTO- can most certinly respect what CAS can bring to the fight

It is said that our bird is the most feared in Iraq, especially when flying over Iraqi streets and people see that M230 30mm gun is pointing left and right, people run for cover. As it cruises it has this thunderous rotor noise but whisper quiet when sitting in the distance hovering, that is why those 3 iraqi terrorists got blown up at 400m while trying to hide IED material.

How is the IED situation, is it improving?

 

[WhySoSerious77]

I am not twisting or diverting the subject at hand.

I think I am one step ahead in thinking of what you might say when I say what I obey regarding Jesus (AS) that is why I have asked you to post the verse which is commonly agreed by all sects of christianity. I don't want to be in a situation for example a single church believe in something but the priest in that same church doesn't believe what church believe.

Yes you are, you are not one step ahead, you are simply in purpose of driving the topic in the direction you desire, I am not playing that game. You got your answer from another brother about the verse you were asking for and now you'd need to answer my question.

 

[WhySoSerious77]

I don't understand which is why I am here running in circles.

I don't feel this is the reason you are running in circles.

To me one can either be a christian who live by the laws set by Jesus or live by their own desires.

I don't follow a religion, I don't follow man made rules (this is where you got disoriented, man made rules regarding faith, which creates a religion -however I can't believe I have to explain every tiny thing I mention -) I don't follow superstitions...

So if you don't follow Man made rules then who gave you permission to join army - was it Jesus?

Red herring.... This does NOT even make sense!

 

[WhySoSerious77]

hey you are a Christian - Aren't you? so why are you asking me to find a christian?

If Gospel of Mathew is accepted by ALL sects of Christianity then go ahead give me a verse. - Post the verse if you are truthful in your claim.

I am not the one who is being questioned right now, you are... These are common diversion tactics. Your verses have been given, they included commandments and teachings by Jesus. If you don't believe that Gospel of Matthew is not accepted by all Christian "sects" then proving this is unto you because we believe it is accepted by all. Furthermore, before this topic gets derailed more, explain what commandments of Isa(AS) you obey, how, relying on what document?

 

[Stefania777]

what are the 'arguments for' for taking part in war.

what are the 'arguments against' for not taking part in war.

tell me your views. thanks.

Just look at my signature

 

[WhySoSerious77]

Just look at my signature

put up again thy sword into its place, or sheath. This Christ said not only to rebuke Peter for his rashness, but to soften the minds of the multitude, who must be enraged at such an action; and which was still more effectually done by his healing the man's ear: and indeed, had it not been for these words, and this action of Christ's; and more especially had it not been owing to the powerful influence Christ had over the spirits of these men, in all probability Peter, and the rest of the apostles, had been all destroyed at once,

For all they that take the sword, shall perish with the sword. This is not to be understood of magistrates who bear not the sword in vain, are ministers of God for good, and revengers of evil works; but of private persons that use the sword, and that not in self-defence, but for private revenge; or engage in a quarrel, to which they are not called; and such generally perish, as Peter must have done, had it not been for the interposition of almighty power. Though this seems to be spoken not so much of Peter, and of the danger he exposed himself to, by taking and using the sword, and so to deter him from it, but rather of these his enemies: and as an argument to make and keep Peter easy and quiet, and exercise patience, since, in a little time, God would avenge himself of them; and that the Jews, who now made use of the sword of the Roman soldiers, would perish by the sword of the Romans, as in a few years after the whole nation did.

 

[Stefania777]

I'm sorry, but how do you kill someone with love? Can someone honestly say "I shot that guy/girl because I love him/her?
I don't see any reasons to be fighting physical wars on earth we should be taking care of the spiritual wars first, they're much more important.
I've got plenty of scriptural references to support my opinion on war and violence.

Luke 2. 14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among men of good-will.

John 14.27. Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you.

Matt. 5.9. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called sons of God.

Jas. 3.18. The fruit of righteousness is sown in peace for them that make peace.

Rom. 10.15. How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace.

Eph. 6.14 f. Stand therefore . . . having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace.

Eph. 4.1-3 I therefore, the prisoner in the Lord, beseech you to walk worthily of the calling wherewith you were called, with all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; giving diligence to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

Heb. 12.14 Follow after peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no man shall see the Lord.

Rom. 16.20. The God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.

2 Cor. 13.11 Finally, brethren . . be perfected; be comforted; be of the same mind; live in peace: and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

Phil. 4.7 The peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus..

Luke 23. 34. Jesus said, 'Father forgive them; for they know not what they do.'

Mark 11.25 Whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against any one; that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

Luke 17.3 f. If your brother sin, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he sin against you seven times in the day, and seven times turn again to you saying, I repent; you shall forgive him.

Col. 3.12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.

Eph. 4. 31f. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor, and railing, be put away from you, with all malice: and be you kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving each other, even as God also in Christ forgave you.

Col 1.6 for in him [the son] all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers—all things have been created through him and for him.

Heb 1.2-3 In these last days [God] has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom he also created the worlds. 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Mt 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

Lu 6:27 But I say to you that listen, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. 29 If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also;

Lu 6:35 But love your enemies, do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return. Your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High; for he is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.

Mt 5:39 But I say to you, Do not make use of force against an evil man; but to him who gives you a blow on the right side of your face let the left be turned. -Bible in Basic English

Lu 6:37 "Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

Lu 12:22 And he said to his disciples, "Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you shall eat, nor about your body, what you shall put on.

Mt 26:52 Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.

Mt 7:12 In everything do to others as you would have them do to you; for this is the law and the prophets.

1 Peter 3.8 Finally, all of you, have unity of spirit, sympathy, love of the brethren, a tender heart and a humble mind. :9 Do not return evil for evil or reviling for reviling; but on the contrary bless, for to this you have been called, that you may obtain a blessing.

Ro 12.17-21 Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all. 18 If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. 19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave room for the wrath of God; for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord." 20 No, "if your enemies are hungry, feed them; if they are thirsty, give them something to drink; for by doing this you will heap burning coals on their heads."
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good .

1Th 5:15 See that none of you repays evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to all.

Lu 6:42 Or how can you say to your neighbor, ’Friend, let me take out the speck in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbor’s eye.

Isa 31:1 Alas for those who go down to Egypt for help and who rely on horses, who trust in chariots because they are many and in horsemen because they are very strong, but do not look to the Holy One of Israel or consult the LORD!

Rom 5.8,10 8 But God shows his love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.... 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.

1 Peter 2.21 For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
22 He committed no sin; no guile was found on his lips. 23 When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten; but he trusted to him who judges justly.
Eph 6.12 For our struggle is not against enemies of blood and flesh, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers of this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.



2 Co 10:4 The weapons with which we fight are not human weapons, but are mighty for God in overthrowing strong fortresses.


John 8.7 But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Matt 10.28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? And not one of them will fall to the ground without your Father’s will. 30 But even the hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 Fear not, therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows.

Rom 8.37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Forgive because he has forgiven us. Love because he has loved us. He loves us regarding all of our sins, we should love others the same way Christ loves us.


Peace,
-Stefania

 

[WhySoSerious77]

I'm sorry, but how do you kill someone with love? Can someone honestly say "I shot that guy/girl because I love him/her?
I don't see any reasons to be fighting physical wars on earth we should be taking care of the spiritual wars first, they're much more important.
I've got plenty of scriptural references to support my opinion on war and violence.

I barely explained your sig with a commentary. I haven't said anything about killing someone we love nor shooting that guy/girl because I love him/her, etc...

It already explains "For all they that take the sword, shall perish with the sword. This is not to be understood of magistrates who bear not the sword in vain, are ministers of God for good, and revengers of evil works; but of private persons that use the sword, and that not in self-defence, but for private revenge; or engage in a quarrel, to which they are not called; and such generally perish,"

We don't always fight the enemy in the battlefield. And we don't use these swords in the battlefield. This is not to say the war is justified... But wars will happen, and there will be ones who will fight it, not because they want it. Christ mostly addresses our spiritual fights in the Bible already.

You are a good girl though, I liked your approach...