War!!!!

[Electra]

Just look at my signature

I like that Jesus quote. Its very true. Buddha said very similar thing.

 

[vajradhara]

Rear Echelon Mother..... Figure...

Rear Echelon, My Friend

heheh....

Especially in aviation, usually more often in school, you'd see a pilot or a drill, with a CIB or a Ranger tab or rarely SF tab, these people are respected in AVN community.

i was attached to the 5th Special Forces group out of Ft. Campbell, KY, home of the mighty 101st Airborne. this was back in the day when we still flew Hueys all over the place... right as the Blackhawk was being phased into the fleet.

interestingly enough, i was eventually assigned to the Divison Aviation unit as a liason so i got to hang out with the 160th Task Force as they were rolling out the Apaches for deployment. i still recall, vividly, the first time i saw the Apache demonstration... truly amazing. one of the perks of being at the Division level was that i could take lessons on the Apache simulator, which was really exciting for a ground pounder like me

My Company CO is a pilot, has a CIB, Airborne and Air Assault, and a ranger. Hi-speed.

you are still in AIT, correct? you went in July of last year, iirc?

indeed... Hi speed, low drag!

I do have most respect for my INF guys because first I have a few best buddies in there, and I see what they are doing in Iraq. We never do that, it is their life. IMO, SF and Rangers get great respect from me, but INF is different.

well... i would tend to agree... you know how we Airborne types are, though... wouldn't want to be a Leg, don't ya know

 

[WhySoSerious77]

Nope I graduated AIT distinguished honor grad, April 8. I am at my first station.

 

[tah]

Now don't give a twist to the subject at hand, you said;



What do you obey regarding Jesus? Simple question, this has nothing to blame on Biblical authenticy, it has nothing to do with Bible, especially IT SHOULD NOT when talking about what you are commanded in Allah's word Quran. So go ahead answer the question without twisting.

Bookofknowledge sorry, i dont mean to interfear but i thought id give sum ansa's to bushmaster. he seems a bit desperate to know the ansa to his question.

well BUSHMASTER here it is:

What did Jesus teach? The Qur’an tells us that Jesus came to teach the same basic message which was taught by previous prophets from God—that we must shun every false god and worship only the one true God. Jesus taught that he is the servant and messenger of that one true God. These Quranic teachings can be compared with the Bible ( Mark 10:18; Matthew 26:39; John 14:28, 17:3, and 20:17) where Jesus teaches that the one he worshipped is the only true God. See also Matthew 12:18; Acts 3:13, and 4:27 where we find that his disciples knew him as Servant of God.

The Qur’an tells us that some of the Israelites rejected Jesus, and conspired to kill him, but Allah (God) rescued Jesus and raised him to Himself. Allah will cause Jesus to descend again, at which time Jesus will confirm his true teachings and everyone will believe in him as he is and as the Qur’an teaches about him.

Jesus is the Messiah. He is a word from Allah, and a spirit from Him. He is honoured in this world and in the hereafter, and he is one of those brought nearest to Allah.

Jesus was a man who spoke the truth which he heard from God. This can be compared with the Gospel According to John where Jesus says to the Israelites: “You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God” (John 8:40


hope this answers your question.

 

[ravenscape]

WAR!

UH!

What is it good for?

Absolutetly nothin!

say it again, ya'll....

absolutely nothing!

Ab-so-lute-ly NUTHIN!

 

[Stefania777]

Ab-so-lute-ly NUTHIN!

Nothing!

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Yes you are, you are not one step ahead, you are simply in purpose of driving the topic in the direction you desire, I am not playing that game. You got your answer from another brother about the verse you were asking for and now you'd need to answer my question.

I asked you tell me what Jesus (AS) taught you so I can give you what I believe. The only pupose I added that condition was to make you guys not to say words like "Father, Son and Trinity".

I am saying this because tah has revealed my secret by saying "The Qur’an tells us that Jesus came to teach the same basic message which was taught by previous prophets from God"

Again I know you are going to deny the above statement unless Allah wills otherwise because your mind is going to say wait a min this aint true based on your knowledge.

If Jesus (AS) taught you to be rightieous then you will find in Qur'aan what Jesus taught to his people.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

I don't feel this is the reason you are running in circles.

I don't follow a religion, I don't follow man made rules (this is where you got disoriented, man made rules regarding faith, which creates a religion -however I can't believe I have to explain every tiny thing I mention -) I don't follow superstitions...

Red herring.... This does NOT even make sense!

You don't follow man made rules but you follow the law of War which is to kill the human who is fighting against your nation.

All I have been asking is did Jesus(AS) said and done what you are doing - If Jesus (AS) didn't do it then are you a follower of Jesus?

Love is a selfless promotion for the growth of the other.

I have out-most respect for those who fight for justice but achieving peace by killing 100,000 innocent is not justice and I am positive Jesus (AS) wouldn't have allowed it.

 

[DaRkWoLf]

BookOfKnowledge,

I found an independant web site with the following statistics:

min Iraqi civies killed (as of this very moment): 21,940
max Iraqi civies killed (as of this very moment): 24,897

You can find that site at iraqbodycount.net

That number dosent even touch 100k.

I've got a few older friends in the proverbial sandbox, one of which is a LT, and they dont feel that such a massacre is going on.

 

[ghazirizvi]

I think Brother BOK was reffering to the casualties of the First Gulf War, immediately after the cessation of hostile activities, 100 000 civilians were the casualties.

And it can be expected that this figure most probably rise quite a bit by the end of this war.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

BookOfKnowledge,

I found an independant web site with the following statistics:

min Iraqi civies killed (as of this very moment): 21,940
max Iraqi civies killed (as of this very moment): 24,897

You can find that site at iraqbodycount.net

That number dosent even touch 100k.

I've got a few older friends in the proverbial sandbox, one of which is a LT, and they dont feel that such a massacre is going on.

a country which was invaded and bombarded when 25 million people are still alive... You can figure the rest... the website BBC and others reported 100,000 where did they got the number? or did the numbers changed on this site? who knows?

Killing of one innocent is enough to bring shame on the people who claim they follow Jesus or Justice and claim they are willing to pay price to acheive peace by the blood of innocent?

You guys be the judge and decide what is it you guys want - peace or justice?

 

[Kas]

Hey Bushmaster your back...pleased to see you gracing there area of the forum agaion!

 

[Delta One]

Hi tah,

I'm not entirely sure why you brought this up for, but I believe that war is justified in the following circumstances:

* in the direct defence of a country from being over taken by an invading country whom has no justifiable reason to do so (e.g. attacking Germany to save Europe during WWII, first Gulf War, Vietnam War, Korean War, and many others).

* if there is very solid evidence of a nation posing a very imminent threat to a country's security and safety (supposedly the 'War on Terrorism').

* to stop inhuman acts of genocide and so on (e.g. Rwanda - I've probably mispelt that).

The following are reasons or considerations not to go to war:
* is it worth the price (both human life and the cost of running a war)?

* why not give diplomacy a go? That said, it back fired on the US in WWII when the Japanese bombed Peal Harbour.

* the belief 'what happens in a country stays in a country' that forms the backbone of international law.

* can the problem be resolved by peaceful means?

 

[tah]

Hi tah,
I'm not entirely sure why you brought this up for

i actually brought this subject up because i had an exam in RE and you needed to know about war and that. and what are peoples views. Thats all.

And Bookofknowledge sorry for butting in and revealing ur secret.

 

[vajradhara]

Nope I graduated AIT distinguished honor grad, April 8. I am at my first station.

excellent and congratulations!

may i inquire as to your posting?

 

[BourbonFromHeaven]

Hiya,

Killing of one innocent is enough to bring shame on the people who claim they follow Jesus or Justice and claim they are willing to pay price to acheive peace by the blood of innocent?

Those are nice setaments, but it doesn't work in the real world, and I think you know that.

Islam hasn't flourished becuase they give everybody a hug.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Hiya,



Those are nice setaments, but it doesn't work in the real world, and I think you know that.

Islam hasn't flourished becuase they give everybody a hug.

O YES - Muslims didn't have the right to fight in self defense untill after they migrated to Madina and by this time there were many many many Muslims who migrated from Mecca to Madina.

The people of Madina came to Mecca First and they accepted Islam.

 

[BourbonFromHeaven]

I really beg to differ.

I could go into all kinds of subjects about some of the butchery thats been committed in the name Islam, agressive expansion into Spain, forced conversions across the Meditarianin coast and all kinds of slavery in the horn of Africa.

However, I'm not putting Islam on trial. The point was, I think it's kinda silly, you are condeming the United States for actions that your relgious system is just as guilty of.

Not saying Islam is evil, becuase it isn't, but it's a result of this world being pretty harsh. Innocents are going to die in warfare, if you think it's justified or not.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

I really beg to differ.

I could go into all kinds of subjects about some of the butchery thats been committed in the name Islam, agressive expansion into Spain, forced conversions across the Meditarianin coast and all kinds of slavery in the horn of Africa.

However, I'm not putting Islam on trial. The point was, I think it's kinda silly, you are condeming the United States for actions that your relgious system is just as guilty of.

Not saying Islam is evil, becuase it isn't, but it's a result of this world being pretty harsh. Innocents are going to die in warfare, if you think it's justified or not.

You have to read what happen 1400 year ago and what happen 100-200 year ago because I think we are on different platforms.

I think it will be a good idea to build barriers between State, Justice and religion.

United States Army is not a religion and neither it is following the law of Justice by killing Innocents.

There shouldn't be an excuse for what ignorant people have done in past to repeat history.

Those who fight for selfless desire or justify killing of innocent in the name of achieving peace can not be of a religion or those who believe in Justice or peace.