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Are you an OSAS believer?

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Which is why I quoted Galatians 5 and the fruit of the Spirit. Love, joy, peace, patience etc...................lines up perfectly with 1 Corinthians 13 and Jesus teaching on Love in John 13-17 and Johns in his epistle, 1 John.

hope this helps !!!
Not everyone will have those fruits, some will die to early. Some others will fight bitterness all their lifes. What I belive what really matters is our hearts seaching from the things above. Which are from the kingdom of God, and those things are love, joy, peace, patience. Those are the rewards every believer desires, not what shows we are save.
 
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You may pretend you answered if you like but anyone here can you are avoiding the scripture like the plague because it proves you wrong.

My point is made and thanks for your help.
repeat your question again and it will be answered. I'm getting slammed with opposition so I might not remember you question off the top of my head. Thanks.
 
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repeat your question again and it will be answered. I'm getting slammed with opposition so I might not remember you question off the top of my head. Thanks.

It's very easy to find., just follow the arrow by the user name in the quote.
 
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repeat your question again and it will be answered. I'm getting slammed with opposition so I might not remember you question off the top of my head. Thanks.
About who are the wheat and tares. From the outside they look the same tbh, my guess of what makes them unique is their seed. One that seeks within their heart or one that seeks with other reasons. I dont think it is the way they were raise. On the other things you say, I agree, fruits of the spirits are something mature believers show, but some tears may also can fool us.
 
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And there that is again.

LOL yes - I saw your later post & realized you wouldn't like it. Nevertheless, my question (which you haven't answered) still remains.

Lets get that into context, who are they?

Also, did the following believer fall away, or not?

Luke 8:13 The seeds that fell on rocky ground stand for those who hear the message and receive it gladly. But it does not sink deep into them; they believe only for a while but when the time of testing comes, they fall away

The message that "does not sink deep" implies a superficial experience of it only. That's why they don't remain when tribulation comes. There was never a deep penetration to the soul level. That's why John is on to something.
 
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About who are the wheat and tares. From the outside they look the same tbh, my guess of what makes them unique is their seed. One that seeks within their heart or one that seeks with other reasons. I dont think it is the way they were raise. On the other things you say, I agree, fruits of the spirits are something mature believers show, but some tears may also can fool us.
Do the tares know that they are tares, or do they believe that they are wheat?
 
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Do the tares know that they are tares, or do they believe that they are wheat?

A parable that is completely strange to me. Tares can never become wheat, nor wheat tares, so what's really going on with this parable?
 
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Do the tares know that they are tares, or do they believe that they are wheat?
I dont know, maybe. Some people only like going to church, but they never really care for the gospel of their salvation. It means nothing to them, only another sunday in church. How much it means to them the lord Jesus Christ sacrifice is good indication. Ask them for the gospel of their salvation. If they dont mention our Lord finish work of the cross, it is a good sing they are tares.
 
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I thought were were going to be able to have a discussion. Alas.
I thought we were. You asked about sheep. I showed you.
 
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LOL yes - I saw your later post & realized you wouldn't like it. Nevertheless, my question (which you haven't answered) still remains.



The message that "does not sink deep" implies a superficial experience of it only. That's why they don't remain when tribulation comes. There was never a deep penetration to the soul level. That's why John is on to something.
There are many believers who dont understand how much our lord jesus Christ sacrifice means. I ask them about their salvation and how they are going to heaven, almost no one says. The lord Jesus paid for my sins and I owe him everything. They most of the time say, becuase im a good person. Which is why Im zealot against preaching works intead of grace.
 
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A parable that is completely strange to me. Tares can never become wheat, nor wheat tares, so what's really going on with this parable?
Hmm. I don't know if the parable works from that perspective, since we are all born into the world unsaved.
 
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Hmm. So some of the tares are deceived into believing that they are wheat?
yes just like judas............

just like the phariess in Matthew 23

thats the difference between a real relationship with Christ and religion.

next.....................
 
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Hmm. I don't know if the parable works from that perspective, since we are all born into the world unsaved.

Maybe not, I'm unsure myself. But this one seems related to one of Daniels interpretations of the iron/clay mix where they "mingle with the seed of men" but don't cleave. I've heard that this requires "they" not be seed (offspring) of men. But that's for another thread, don't want to sidetrack this one.
 
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Maybe not, I'm unsure myself. But this one seems related to one of Daniels interpretations of the iron/clay mix where they "mingle with the seed of men" but don't cleave. I've heard that this requires "they" not be seed (offspring) of men. But that's for another thread, don't want to sidetrack this one.
Have not heard of that comparison. Sounds interesting.
 
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