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want to talk about OSAS?

Are you an OSAS believer?

  • yes

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  • no

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  • of course

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Yeah well if you are still going around murdering people and committing adultery, you might want to put an end to that.
By judging you brethren, you have judge yourself. Im guilty but under grace, on the other hand you reject that same grace. Have you ever watch pornography once, have you ever felt any amount of lust to a married woman, have you ever tell a lie. What do you call a person who commits just one crime. Isnt him a criminal? Are you free of all guilt? If you break one law, you are guilty of all.
 
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That still doesn't have anything to do with OSAS.

I have been studying OSAS folk for many years like a detective. I listened to them and heard them speak their beliefs over and over again. There are three major different OSAS Proponents.

#1. Hardcore OSAS Proponents (Hyper Grace)
(This belief is growing in these last days).
These types believe you can sin as much as you want and you are still saved. Lookup George Sodini. He was a believer who murdered a bunch of people and then took his own life. In his own suicide letter, he wrote that he was saved by believing in the finished work of Christ, and that his future sins were paid for. Even his own Pastor and the church he went to had said George was saved despite his grizzly incident. Sounds like the same tune that many in the OSAS camp sing today.

#2. Mid Range OSAS (The most popular flavor of OSAS today).
This is the view that a believer must generally live a holy life but if a believer dies in one or two unconfessed sins, that does not mean they are unsaved. Some in this group appear to be for holy living, but when push comes to shove, they appear to fit into the Hardcore or Hyper Grace camp instead. If they discover a believer justifying sin and or not confessing their sin, then they will say that they were never born again to begin with.

#3. OSAS Lite (Super Strict on Holy Living)
These types are more rare. They are essentially saying the same thing as above; But they are more strict on holy living and they do not believe a Christian can die in unconfessed sin and still be saved. They believe in order for OSAS to be true, the believer has to confess and forsake sin or they were never born again to begin with.
 
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I have been studying OSAS folk for many years like a detective. I listened to them and heard them speak their beliefs over and over again. There are three major different OSAS Proponents.
Wait a minute! After all that I wrote, you're going down that rabbit hole of a diversion once again??

This is about OSAS; it is not about what people who claim to understand OSAS--but do not--have to say about their own personal situations or about their own versions of OSAS, either.
 
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I am just trying to wrap my head around how you interpret the words of Jesus in Matthew 5:28-30, and Matthew 7:23. Do you actually believe the kind of belief you are peddling? How can God agree with your thinking that you can sin and still be saved? God is holy, and good and righteous.
 
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Your not getting it. We are to be holy and separate from that which is darkness. If another group is claiming to do evil things as a part of the OSAS label, don't you think you need to come up with a new label to separate yourself from them?

On top of that, the message sounds the same. Believe in the finished work of Christ, and you are not saved by your works or anything you do, etc. But the problem is that the message itself can lead a child into sin even if that was not your intention by such a message. Also, if you tell a person OSAS is true, then they look up Hardcore OSAS, or Hyper Grace, they are going to see you in a false light by that very name. They can be led into a false belief because of the label you carry. Therein lies the problem in putting on your OSAS patch label or pin.
 
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Your not getting it. We are to be holy and separate from that which is darkness.
No one is failing to get that. Do you want now to return to the topic of this thread--OSAS?

If another group is claiming to do evil things as a part of the OSAS label, don't you think you need to come up with a new label to separate yourself from them?
"I" have no authorization to do that. What I can do is say that you are still pointing to people who do NOT understand OSAS and talking as though their mistake defines OSAS. That is just nonsense.
 
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So your saying you would not be responsible for leading a person into hardcore OSAS if you simply told him OSAS is true? I am not buying that one. That would be like saying, do drugs because they are good for you, and then not clarifying what you meant. You could be referring to pharmacy drugs. But if you did not clarify that point, many folks can think you are promoting bad drugs by your own words and if they act on your words, you would be to blame. The same is true if you tell others OSAS is true. They could go to the bad version of OSAS and see you many years later and thank you for your tip into looking OSAS. But if they believed in the Hyper Grace Hardcore OSAS that you consider to be false, you would still be at fault because you did not clarify the difference. Therein lies the problem in holding to the OSAS label and message. It all sounds the same. But your version is different. But if you did not clarify that with them because you did not have the time to do so, then you would be at fault for leading down a wrong path or road.
 
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So your saying you would not be responsible for leading a person into hardcore OSAS if you simply told him OSAS is true?
I am discussing the truth or falsity of Eternal Security here. That's the topic. If you'd like to discuss that as well, please do.
 
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I am discussing the truth or falsity of Eternal Security here. That's the topic. If you'd like to discuss that as well, please do.

What I said stands. I made my case in what I was trying to say and your not getting it. I am moving on with you on this point, friend.

May God's good ways be upon you.
 
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My four catagories are just an aid that helps me understand the purposes of Laws. I think saying He changed law is fine. I prefer to say clarify because the word is more benign and it makes it less likely someone will start the Jesus didn`t come to change argument.

Laws like eye for an eye, stoning etc. I see those as penalties for crimes, so would be Governmental to me not moral. I don`t think your examples are changes to righteousness but rather preparation to build a world wide church instead of maintaining the theocracy of Israel.

The "changes" Jesus made are almost a giveaway for the mystery of grace that Paul would soon reveal. I don`t think eye for eye, stoning etc was ever righteousness, I think they were penalties for criminals.
 
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There is a certain member of this forum who has his own unique definition of nearly everything, and believes that those definitions are binding on the world at large, although he is the only one who holds them.
 
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I believe believe the New Covenant (New Testament) began with Christ's death.
The Old Covenant and the Old Law had ended on that day.
Many things were new. Especially the handling of justice.
I believe that Jesus taught His followers non-resistance. Our role is different than that of the powers of authority of the government (like the police and the military). God uses the government as an arm of justice to punish evil (even though that government itself is not saved). But believers have a different role in the function of God's plan. They turn the other cheek instead of an eye for an eye. They do good to those that do evil unto them. This is the New Covenant way.
 
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You are not getting it. Get closer to the light, and you will see how much every believer fails.
Obviously every Christian sins.

Why judge those who you feel the upper hand with. Your own heart has cast stone to those who have God in their hearst.
You are projecting what you feel onto other people.

You talk a lot about grace but you don’t seem to understand it at all, to be frank. You seem to be so burdened by your own sins that you must go to an antinomian extreme to slay your own internal demons. Our Lord grants us peace, but you do not seem to have that at all.
 
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"burdened by your own sins that you must go to an antinomian extreme to slay your own internal demons" We all are like this before getting save. Havent you ever admit you are sinner and ask the lord Jesus Christ in your heart to give you his spirit. That spirit is seal within the believer, it reminds us about the grace we are given and to seek the lord Jesus Christ. If I projected this into you, I would assume you are save.
 
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Maturity is measured in Love, because by the love being made mature or perfect within us, we have confidence on the day of judgment.

I find obedience focus tends to have a very anti christian focus, making the person calling to obedience - to be obeyed, their interpretation - it has nothing to do with obeying God.
 
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Well, I most certainly need to repent of my sins. We can agree on that.
 
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"burdened by your own sins that you must go to an antinomian extreme to slay your own internal demons" We all are like this before getting save.
Havent you ever admit you are sinner and ask the lord Jesus Christ in your heart to give you his spirit.
I'm sure that I've prayed some version of the "Sinner's prayer" back when I was a Protestant.

That spirit is seal within the believer, it reminds us about the grace we are given and to seek the lord Jesus Christ. If I projected this into you, I would assume you are save.
A better question is whether I will remain saved, if I choose to reject the Lord tomorrow or the next day.
 
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