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Wait What? A demon behind my thoughts and actions?

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It's extensive to answer your questions - books have been written about this topic.

"Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices." II Cor 2:11

In summary, "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10 Thankfully, Jesus destroyed/destroys the works of the devil (I John 3:8).

Isa 14:12-14 answers why he was cast out of heaven and (when) it occurred - sometime before he tempted Eve (Gen 3). One third of the angels that had sided with him were cast down as well - couldn't find that Scripture today but I've seen it previously.

Who? The enemy and his group are shown in Scripture such as "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Eph 6 The him in Rev 12:11 is the ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. (Rev 12:9, Mounce Reverse-Interlinear NT).

Recognizing the enemy:
- From I Cor 12:10, for discerning of spirits, which is different from discernment, that information has to come from God just like all of the other manifestations of gifts of The Spirit (I Cor 12). Jesus knew that they were there and they knew Him. The disciples probably had discerning of spirits.
-"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." I John 2:16 Lust of the flesh such as Gal 5:16-21 and Eph 2:3; lust of the eyes such as covetousness (Commandments Exo 20 and Prov 28:16) and more than just looking at a woman (Matt 5:28) and pride.
- One of the earliest accounts of an individual forging ahead and not heeding God's warning is Cain reflected in his exchange with God in Gen 4. In v 13-14, instead of expressing any type of remorse or regret about his attitude towards God or killing Abel, Cain's thinking about himself. To me this shows unforgiveness and pride as the main components of his downfall.

Our aim includes:
-"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" (I Pet 5:8) can't help but notice as a roaring lion
-Submit ourselves to God, resist the enemy and he'll flee (James 4:7) noting the order.
-Give no place to the enemy (Eph 4:27) Or put another way: "And do not give the devil an opportunity [to lead you into sin by holding a grudge, or nurturing anger, or harboring resentment, or cultivating bitterness]." AMP
-Fruit of The Spirit (Gal 5:22-26).
-We're to take every thought captive (II Cor 10:5) and renew our minds with His Word (Rom 12:2)
-"They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony...." Rev 12:11
-"Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand." Eph 6:11, 13 More armor details in Eph 6.

Based on previous comments wondered if they were suggesting deliverance. If so, they need to explain how to maintain it.

Maybe this can be a springboard.
 
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This is another confusing one.

I'm constantly told that a demon is behind my thoughts and actions.

I just cant seem to grasp such a concept.

That I'm a utility for the demonic kingdom.

I'm born again!

If I share something with someone. E.g. Here look at this testimony of a Christian in a similar circumstance to you, I end up reiterate it twice.

Then the other Christian will say that's demons talking through you because I'm trying to control them?

Or,

I get angry and upset, someone will say its demons!

Wait what?

To be honest, your focus should be on Jesus. Man can be wrong. It might be your thoughts or actions are caused by the demonic. It might be the old man trying to resurface (The most likely cause). But either way, these things only happen when we take our eyes off Jesus. Just refocus and fix your gaze on him, those thoughts and actions will melt away in light of his love and grace.
 
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I have to appeal to other sources to understand. E.g. Book of Enoch.

The book of Enoch is not scripture, it has a lot of falsehood in it.
 
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Odd to say such a thing considering it is quoted in scripture by the brother of Jesus...

There may be some bits and pieces of truth just like in the Koran, but most of it is false.
 
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There may be some bits and pieces of truth just like in the Koran, but most of it is false.

I always thought the book of Enoch was considered scripture all the way up until the Catholic Church decided otherwise.
 
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I always thought the book of Enoch was considered scripture all the way up until the Catholic Church decided otherwise.

I'm sorry but your wrong, the book of Enoch was never considered scripture by any Christian Church except the Ethiopic Orthodox Church (Orthodox is an oxymoron with this Church, they are more like a gnostic Church) and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints.
 
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I'm sorry but your wrong, the book of Enoch was never considered scripture by any Christian Church except the Ethiopic Orthodox Church (Orthodox is an oxymoron with this Church, they are more like a gnostic Church) and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints.

Eh... I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Just explaining my thought process. Thanks for explaining.
 
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I'm sorry but your wrong, the book of Enoch was never considered scripture by any Christian Church except the Ethiopic Orthodox Church (Orthodox is an oxymoron with this Church, they are more like a gnostic Church) and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints.

It seems to me that the first Christians were much more informed regarding what "demons" are.

Why is it so vague today?

Book of Enoch makes it plain.

Disembodied spirits of the offspring of the Angels who conspired together on Mt Hermon to procreate with human women.

They are fierce and seek to destroy man having no place, judged to wander the earth as evil spirits aka demons.

I cant find anything comprehensive like Enoch's explanation in scripture.

It frustrates me.

We are in ignorance and yet we are to know their ways and fight them.
 
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It seems to me that the first Christians were much more informed regarding what "demons" are.

Why is it so vague today?

Book of Enoch makes it plain.

Disembodied spirits of the offspring of the Angels who conspired together on Mt Hermon to procreate with human women.

They are fierce and seek to destroy man having no place, judged to wander the earth as evil spirits aka demons.

I cant find anything comprehensive like Enoch's explanation in scripture.

It frustrates me.

We are in ignorance and yet we are to know their ways and fight them.
You are sounding a little obsessed with demons and that is bad.

Have you forgotten that you have been saved by God Almighty, the Creator of the heavens and the earth? We are and have been set free from these things, so I don't know why you are choosing to dwell on that.

The Bible says to love God with all your heart, soul and mind and to focus on the spiritual things of God.

Your focus on demons does not seem like you are focusing on God. Get your mind out of that stuff. There is too much loving and Godly work to do. Get out of that rutt.

Your faith seems to be shaken, or I could just be reading these posts wrong, but God says we get our strength through Him. Are you praying for yourself? Your thoughts should be on the Lord and communion with Him. He did not die for you to give you a heart of fear.

I hope you don't take this wrong. But just focus yourself on light, not on darkness or you will begin to draw the things you fear to yourself.
 
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You are sounding a little obsessed with demons and that is bad.

Have you forgotten that you have been saved by God Almighty, the Creator of the heavens and the earth? We are and have been set free from these things, so I don't know why you are choosing to dwell on that.

The Bible says to love God with all your heart, soul and mind and to focus on the spiritual things of God.

Your focus on demons does not seem like you are focusing on God. Get your mind out of that stuff. There is too much loving and Godly work to do. Get out of that rutt.

Your faith seems to be shaken, or I could just be reading these posts wrong, but God says we get our strength through Him. Are you praying for yourself? Your thoughts should be on the Lord and communion with Him. He did not die for you to give you a heart of fear.

I hope you don't take this wrong. But just focus yourself on light, not on darkness or you will begin to draw the things you fear to yourself.


Its a question I seek an answer to.

Its for my defence when I fellowship with Christians who are demon focused because they have personal experiences with them.

To me it all sounds too much, so I seek clarification and I cant find it in the bible myself.
 
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This is another confusing one.

I'm constantly told that a demon is behind my thoughts and actions.

I just cant seem to grasp such a concept.

That I'm a utility for the demonic kingdom.

I'm born again!

If I share something with someone. E.g. Here look at this testimony of a Christian in a similar circumstance to you, I end up reiterate it twice.

Then the other Christian will say that's demons talking through you because I'm trying to control them?

Or,

I get angry and upset, someone will say its demons!

Wait what?
As soon as someone shows me in scripture how a demon can live where the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have taken up residence (John 14:23), I'll get on board. Until then, while I do believe that the Devil tempts us, I don't think it's scripturally accurate to say that Christians can have demons controlling their thoughts and actions. Not as long as Christ is living in you.
 
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As soon as someone shows me in scripture how a demon can live where the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have taken up residence, I'll get on board. Until then, while I do believe that the Devil tempts us, I don't think it's scripturally accurate to say that Christians can have demons controlling their thoughts and actions. Not as long as Christ is living in you.

I agree,

But I'm not equipped by the scriptures to know what they are.

Only how to discern.

Its a mystery and I seek an answer.

E.g. In Mark Jesus said

Mark 9:29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.


What is that kind?

Its not clear, I'm not equipped.
 
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I agree,

But I'm not equipped by the scriptures to know what they are.

Only how to discern.

Its a mystery and I seek an answer.

E.g. In Mark Jesus said

Mark 9:29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.


What is that kind?

Its not clear, I'm not equipped.
Unfortunately, the scriptures aren't more specific in that instance. One has to go by assumptions. "This kind" may be multiple, or a more vicious version. Who's to say? The disciples themselves couldn't do it. Nor did they appear to know the difference between one demon and the next. So unfortunately, there is no clear answer, only educated guesses. Anyone telling you something other than that is making things up.

Also worthy of note ... those demons weren't living inside a person who had Christ in them.
 
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Unfortunately, the scriptures aren't more specific in that instance. One has to go by assumptions. "This kind" may be multiple, or a more vicious version. Who's to say? The disciples themselves couldn't do it. Nor did they appear to know the difference between one demon and the next. So unfortunately, there is no clear answer, only educated guesses. Anyone telling you something other than that is making things up.

Also worthy of note ... those demons weren't living inside a person who had Christ in them.

I understand and I feel protected because I'm born again.

The disciples were able to identify the demon possessed and cast them out in Jesus name.

How can we identify in this day and age?

Is it clear a crystal?

Because I have no idea.

Should we be walking around and If we are prompted to believe someone is demonized to speak to the demon and command it to come out in Jesus name and Authority?
 
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posted: Should we be walking around and If we are prompted to believe someone is demonized to speak to the demon and command it to come out in Jesus name and Authority?

"When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation." Matt 12:43-45

That's one reason the believer being delivered needs to completely understand how to maintain their deliverance. Think it's the primary reason to be sure that the prompting is accurate. Nothing to play around. Plus it's evident deliverance would not be for a non-believer.
 
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