Voting by Mail?

[Subduction Zone]

How does one know the signatures are real?

They are checked by comparing signatures to ones made when the person registered. Now, they may be able to fake a signature. If someone went out of their way they could fake mine. But one signature is not going to cut it. They would somehow have to have faked thousands upon thousands of signatures. They would have to be able to fake the signatures of people that voted for Trump and voted for Biden. How are they going to do that reliably?

 

[Tiberius Lee]

I've never seen a Republican object to it? I have seen objections to mass mailing of ballot and ballot harvesting. Both of which would be addressed through these simple steps.

@hislegacy

Can you name 10 people went to jail for “Ballot harvesting’ in last 10 years ?

 

[Always in His Presence]

They are checked by comparing signatures to ones made when the person registered. Now, they may be able to fake a signature. If someone went out of their way they could fake mine. But one signature is not going to cut it. They would somehow have to have faked thousands upon thousands of signatures. They would have to be able to fake the signatures of people that voted for Trump and voted for Biden. How are they going to do that reliably?

Would it not save an enormous amount of time and effort if the mail in ballots included a copy of their voter registration?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I've never seen a Republican object to it? I have seen objections to mass mailing of ballot and ballot harvesting. Both of which would be addressed through these simple steps.

Ballot harvesting is not a thing for mail in ballots. The reason is in the name. "Mail in". There is no need for a harvester. If one likes one can hand deliver it to a box made for that purpose. There will be such collection boxes. But if none are available one could find a local mailbox or, and I know that this is a "radical" idea. Simply leave it in one's own mailbox for the postman to pick up.

 

[Brihaha]

@hislegacy

Can you name 10 people went to jail for “Ballot harvesting’ in last 10 years ?

Hahaha...no but there are hundreds of politicians who use it as a political tool to manipulate the pliable voters. It is certainly effective, much like the abortion and gun control wedge issues they exploit.

 

[Arcangl86]

Ballot harvesting is not a thing for mail in ballots. The reason is in the name. "Mail in". There is no need for a harvester. If one likes one can hand deliver it to a box made for that purpose. There will be such collection boxes. But if none are available one could find a local mailbox or, and I know that this is a "radical" idea. Simply leave it in one's own mailbox for the postman to pick up.

Actually it is a thing for mail in ballots because not everybody has easy access to the mail. In rural and urban communities mailing something often requires a trip to post office.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Would it not save an enormous amount of time and effort if the mail in ballots included a copy of their voter registration?

Why? To what purpose?

When I registered to vote before I started to use mail in I did not get a card. The county held that information. I had no use for it since I knew that I was registered. And an address where one lives is at least as secure as an ID. An ID can be lost or stolen. It is pretty hard to steal or lose a residence. And people thinking that the mail in vote is not secure keep forgetting that one or two ballots being stolen will not make a difference except for the tightest of local elections. It is pointless to steal ballots individually and en masse the theft would quickly become obvious.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Actually it is a thing for mail in ballots because not everybody has easy access to the mail. In rural and urban communities mailing something often requires a trip to post office.

And one could simply leave a ballot in the mailbox for the postman to pick up. I lived in the country growing up. We had a half mile long driveway. We did not make special trips to mail letters.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

And as I have stated numerous times on this thread - I support mail in Ballots provided

• The ballot should be requested by the voter - It would be free and easy - by phone, email, online or in person at a post office. Similar to absentee ballots
• The ballot would be sent directly to the person's home - no duplicates or bad addresses or excess printing.
• The voter would return the ballot with a copy of their voter ID - which they need to vote in National elections anyway.

Do you object or agree and why?

There is no need for all the rules you want to impose. The only reason could be to keep minorities from voting.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Why? To what purpose?

To ensure signatures match. Take Georgia - 1,320,000 ballots. How long do your think it takes to confirm that many signatures when you have to get the records and do the matching - so much more efficient if a copy of the voter registration is right there with the ballot.

 

[Always in His Presence]

There is no need for all the rules you want to impose. The only reason could be to keep minorities from voting.

I am a minority - my family are minorities - my friends are minorities - not one of use would be kept from voting.

Are you under the assumption that minorities do not have phones? Or Internet access? Or the ability to go to a post office, or fill out a form and mail it? Are you saying that we are too ignorant or too lazy to get a ballot?

 

[ArmenianJohn]

To ensure signatures match. Take Georgia - 1,320,000 ballots. How long do your think it takes to confirm that many signatures when you have to get the records and do the matching - so much more efficient if a copy of the voter registration is right there with the ballot.

What about fake voter ID cards? USA Voter ID cards don't even exist anyway. At our last Democratic Club (Marx-Lenin Chapter) meeting we came up with our system to make fake Voter ID's in case the Republicans ever get it passed that people have to have Voter ID cards. So how will you catch all the fraudulent ones when we send in every dead person's ID card and ballot? You won't.

 

[Subduction Zone]

To ensure signatures match. Take Georgia - 1,320,000 ballots. How long do your think it takes to confirm that many signatures when you have to get the records and do the matching - so much more efficient if a copy of the voter registration is right there with the ballot.

Since they have all of the signatures captured electronically these days looking up a signature would take no longer than verifying a registration.

By the way, I do hope that you are aware that they audited all of the envelopes in a Georgia county where there were false allegations of cheating. Guess what? No cheating found.

Mail in voting appears to be very very secure since. Once again, the cheaters would either have to intercept the ballots on the way out. And that would be quickly reported. Or they would have to somehow intercept them coming back in. And since there are several ways that they come back that would be all but impossible. Not to mention the difficulties of reproducing all of those signatures. You have yet to show that mail in voting is any less secure than voting at a polling place.

 

[Always in His Presence]

What about fake voter ID cards? USA Voter ID cards don't even exist anyway. At our last Democratic Club (Marx-Lenin Chapter) meeting we came up with our system to make fake Voter ID's in case the Republicans ever get it passed that people have to have Voter ID cards. So how will you catch all the fraudulent ones when we send in every dead person's ID card and ballot? You won't.

You just admitted to conspiring to commit a felony - not the smartest thing to do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What about fake voter ID cards? USA Voter ID cards don't even exist anyway. At our last Democratic Club (Marx-Lenin Chapter) meeting we came up with our system to make fake Voter ID's in case the Republicans ever get it passed that people have to have Voter ID cards. So how will you catch all the fraudulent ones when we send in every dead person's ID card and ballot? You won't.

You raise a very good point. It is easier to fake a card than a residence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You just admitted to conspiring to commit a felony - not the smartest thing to do.

Did they now? I do not think that a plan based upon what is probably an illegal action would be considered conspiring to commit a felony.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

I am a minority - my family are minorities - my friends are minorities - not one of use would be kept from voting.

Are you under the assumption that minorities do not have phones? Or Internet access? Or the ability to go to a post office, or fill out a form and mail it? Are you saying that we are too ignorant or too lazy to get a ballot?

The bottom line is that "strict voting laws do suppress the ballot along racial lines." Read for yourself:
How Voter ID Laws Discriminate Against Racial Minorities - The Atlantic

 

[ArmenianJohn]

You just admitted to conspiring to commit a felony - not the smartest thing to do.

Very smart thing to do. There's nothing that you or anyone in the government can do to my Marx-Lenin chapter of the Democratic Club. If you don't believe me, just try it.

 

[Always in His Presence]

The bottom line is that "strict voting laws do suppress the ballot along racial lines." Read for yourself:
How Voter ID Laws Discriminate Against Racial Minorities - The Atlantic

Bring the strict laws. I’m adjusting going through the very easy steps of requesting a ballot and then supplying a photo copy of your registration that you already have possession of.

This is not a difficult thing. This is not a strict rule. This is easier than signing on and making multiple complaints on a forum

 

[Always in His Presence]

Very smart thing to do. There's nothing that you or anyone in the government can do to my Marx-Lenin chapter of the Democratic Club. If you don't believe me, just try it.

Openly admitting to being part of a group of people who produce false paperwork false identification. You’ve lost all moral ground in making any comments on anything with the vote because sir you are creating false paperwork