Voting by Mail?

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

You know, your unwillingness to even consider the many explanations about what is and has happened is one thing, but demanding evidence when dozens and dozens of such material has been posted by me in response to such taunts by various members is a bit too much.

The junk you posted yesterday? I checked 5 of them two were deluded assertions either retracted by the lawyers presenting them or resulting in sanctions on the lawyer presenting them. One was a dead person voting where he wasn't dead but his relative at the same address was. One guy thought a plumber was hauling ballots because he had a van so he ran him off the road. needless to say, you haven't actually produced any evidence just wild assertions that a little bit of Google demonstrates just how weak you argument is.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Putting up barriers to legal voters is no laughing matter.

Making a phone call or filling out an online request is not a barrier.

 

[Pommer]

Here is my argument. If you can show “evidence which are admissible in court” that there is widespread voter fraud and justify why we need more laws to protect voter fraud then I am all in with voter ID, voter registration etc. But as I wrote in another thread, there is not even .05% voter fraud in America each election year. So GOP is trying to fix something which doesn’t exist.

Unfortunately , I don’t expect you to provide any evidence. Because i have debated this topic with you in other thread and so far you never provided any evidence.

Here’s the thing…a legislature has the Constitutional right to make stupid, nonsensical laws.
So long as these laws do not “overburden” a fundamental right, a court would use “rational basis” as the review standard: if they do place a burden on a fundamental right, “strict scrutiny” would rule.

 

[Albion]

Putting up barriers to legal voters is no laughing matter.

When the party that benefitted from the voting changes imposed last year agrees to reinstate safeguards against illegal voters and votes, I am certain that the other side will be willing to hear the argument about it being necessary to avoid unreasonable deterrents to legal voters exercising their right to vote.

Oh, wait. They already have done that. The Republican legislators in state after state agreed to many proposed changes that would make voting easier for legal voters. They of course get no credit at all for that from the people who keep pushing the baseless "vote suppression" claim.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Making a phone call or filling out an online request is not a barrier.

It is if you don't have a phone let alone a computer and internet connection. And yes there are quite a few people in that situation.

 

[Albion]

Here’s the thing…a legislature has the Constitutional right to make stupid, nonsensical laws.

and that they have done in many states. The Congressional Democrats are now pushing to make those stupid, nonsensical laws mandatory in every state, taking the rights you seem to think the states should enjoy away from all of them.

 

[Pommer]

and that they have done in many states. The Congressional Democrats are now pushing to make those stupid, nonsensical laws mandatory in every state, taking the rights you seem to think the states should enjoy away from all of them.

We should all tremble because “the other side” wants to ruin our land with “laws”?
Mercy!

 

[Subduction Zone]

and that they have done in many states. The Congressional Democrats are now pushing to make those stupid, nonsensical laws mandatory in every state, taking the rights you seem to think the states should enjoy away from all of them.

What is stupid and nonsensical call about laws that make it easier to vote?

You keep forgetting that voting is a right. Too place any law into place that limits voting is simply not allowed, just because "it makes me feel safer". If you want to claim that there is cheating you would need to be able to support that with a valid source. One of those things that it appears that you cannot find.

 

[wing2000]

U.S. Constitution Article 1, Sec 4
"The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators."

Although the Elections Clause makes states primarily responsible for regulating congressional elections, it vests ultimate power in Congress. Congress may pass federal laws regulating congressional elections that automatically displace (“preempt”) any contrary state statutes, or enact its own regulations concerning those aspects of elections that states may not have addressed. The Framers of the Constitution were concerned that states might establish unfair election procedures or attempt to undermine the national government by refusing to hold elections for Congress. They empowered Congress to step in and regulate such elections as a self-defense mechanism.

Interpretation: Elections Clause | The National Constitution Center

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Making a phone call or filling out an online request is not a barrier.

I didn’t say they were. I did say requiring a photo copy is.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I didn’t say they were. I did say requiring a photo copy is.

yeah, it is especially difficult for minorities to get photocopies. I mean where would you do such a thing maybe all you could help us minorities out and how do you get a photocopy.

My whole life I’ve never figured out how to do that it is one of the greatest challenges I have as a minority.

Do you have a clue how insulting that is? Perhaps you should get some friends who are actually minority groups.

You might find out that we know where to get a photocopy, We drive, own homes, have the intelligence to use a computer, all those things you think make life rough on us.

Did you know that numerically there Are more poor white people than minorities? So you have to ask why are the minorities the only ones targeted by this. Does the color of your skin determine your ability to use such high-tech things as telephones? Copy machines? Computers and printers?

 

[KCfromNC]

Making a phone call or filling out an online request is not a barrier.

I can only imagine the outrage if people had to deal with the non-barrier of filling out an online form before being allowed to go to church or exercise some other right guaranteed to them.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

You know, your unwillingness to even consider the many explanations about what is and has happened is one thing, but demanding evidence when dozens and dozens of such material has been posted by me in response to such taunts by various members is a bit too much.

I guess you can’t provided evidence.. I should have known better.

Consider what , your “opinion”? . No thank you. Not a single court in this land considered a single voter fraud allegation, the SCOTUS didn’t even take a case on this matter. Not a single Governor, not even the ruby red state Governor rejected election result because “ there is voter fraud”.

"To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election," Barr said in an interview with The Associated Press.

Now if we want to make America a “Banana Republic” , we can ignore all the facts , all the courts and legal system and take public “opinion” like yours and say this is the facts and we need to fix something because public thinks it is broken.

 

[TLK Valentine]

yeah, it is especially difficult for minorities to get photocopies. I mean where would you do such a thing maybe all you white folks who are posting here could help us minorities out and how do you get a photocopy.

My whole life I’ve never figured out how to do that it is one of the greatest challenges I have as a minority.

Doing it's easy enough -- doing it right can be hit-or-miss. lot of smudged or blurry copiers out there.

Back in the day, literacy tests were a common enough voting requirement in the Jim Crow South... surprisingly, every single black (would-be) voter failed the test and was subsequently turned away at the polls... and some of them were better educated than the poll workers.

How do you suppose that happened?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Doing it's easy enough -- doing it right can be hit-or-miss. lot of smudged or blurry copiers out there.

Really, so you think it is a skill set - those poor minorities don't have the skills to make a photo copy. I know the last time I ran a copy it took a good four or five time for me to get it right and not be smudgy. Tell me, what is your secret?

Back in the day, literacy tests were a common enough voting requirement in the Jim Crow South... surprisingly, every single black (would-be) voter failed the test and was subsequently turned away at the polls... and some of them were better educated than the poll workers.

How do you suppose that happened?

They also has outhouses then and now we can go to the bathroom indoors - how do you suppose that happened?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Not everyone is flush with cash like you and can afford a photo copier. Forcing people to buy that machine in order to vote would amount to a poll tax

BTW - this is the quote I was addressing. Do you really believe the only way to get a photocopy is to go out and purchase a copier? Really?

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

yeah, it is especially difficult for minorities to get photocopies. I mean where would you do such a thing maybe all you white folks who are posting here could help us minorities out and how do you get a photocopy.

My whole life I’ve never figured out how to do that it is one of the greatest challenges I have as a minority.

Do you have a clue how insulting that is? Perhaps you should get some friends who are actually minority groups.

You might find out that we know where to get a photocopy, We drive, own homes, have the intelligence to use a computer, all those things you think make life rough on us.

Did you know that numerically there Are more poor white people than minorities? So you have to ask why are the minorities the only ones targeted by this. Does the color of your skin determine your ability to use such high-tech things as telephones? Copy machines? Computers and printers?

Don’t flame me by suggesting I’m racist. I never said anything about race. Anyone who doesn’t have a photo copier would have a poll tax placed on them by your plan.

Part of the reason for vote by mail is so that the home bound can vote. If they don’t have a photo copier at home they have to leave home to get a photo copy which defeats the purpose. Then we have getting to the place to get photocopies. Not everyone drives and not everyone who doesn’t drive lives in a place where public transportation is readily accessible if it even exists. So getting to get said photocopy made can be a financial and/or logistical burden.

I could go to my office at work and make one though that is on some ethically gray area for using the company machine for personal use. You are right in I can’t imagine anyone kicking up a big stink about it but it still doesn’t make it right. I also know not everyone works at a place with a photocopier.

I have never seen a place I can get a photocopy for free. If you have to pay for a photocopy, we have a poll tax. That doesn’t get into a lot of these photocopiers are not always the best quality so alignment is sometimes off, it smudges the copy, or the copier is low on ink so you might have to pay for multiple copies. Who is going to pay that? Are you going to pay for it? Are you going to make the government pay for it? If the voter has to pay for it, it’s a poll tax.

 

[Albion]

You have to have a photo ID in Washington, DC in order to go outside, but at the same time it's argued by "liberals" that it's unthinkable that a person wanting to choose our next president to live in Washington should be asked to present some sort of ID in order to vote!

When the urge to rule other people becomes strong, in any country, it never comes equipped with common sense or consistency!

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

You have to have a photo ID in Washington, DC in order to go outside, but at the same time it's argued by "liberals" that it's unthinkable that a person wanting to choose our next president to live in Washington should be asked to present some sort of ID in order to vote!

When the urge to rule other people becomes strong, in any country, it never comes equipped with common sense or consistency!

Citation needed

 

[Arcangl86]

Yeah, it will assure signatures match when you send out the signature with the ballot. It would be easier if they sent pin numbers with credit cards too. Are you really this clueless?

I'm sorry, what? Are you claiming that election officials are sending out copies of signatures with ballots so that people can copy them?