Voting by Mail?

[Arcangl86]

I get that impression because it is Democrats and Democrat leaning posters on this thread who come up with reasons why we shouldn't control it more. Like having to request a ballot. Whereas it it Republican and Republican leaning poster who are calling for more control.

Thanks for asking

It's not binary. Just because somebody doesn't think that more controls are needed doesn't automatically mean that they think no controls are needed at all.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I get that impression because it is Democrats and Democrat leaning posters on this thread who come up with reasons why we shouldn't control it more.

I can think of plenty of reasons why you shouldn't control it more.

Whereas it it Republican and Republican leaning poster who are calling for more control.

But of course the Republicans want more control over the process by which they could be removed from power.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

If Democrats and their voters are perceived as being for less restrictive voting rules, perhaps it is because it is Republicans that have tried to make it more difficult to vote (or resisted efforts to make it easier) because they perceive that those most inconvenienced will likely vote against them.

This might be one of those rare instances where their perception jives with reality.

I too have never had a voter ID nor been asked for ID to vote. If my signature is close enough to my prior signature for my registration address that is all we need.

 

[Hans Blaster]

This might be one of those rare instances where their perception jives with reality.

I too have never had a voter ID nor been asked for ID to vote. If my signature is close enough to my prior signature for my registration address that is all we need.

Here they generally require a photo ID, and I'd rather they check my face next to my address on my photo ID against the registration book rather than try to determine if two versions of my somewhat sloppy and variable signature match. (One of the poll workers knows I live in the precinct since we share a backyard.)

 

[Albion]

Here they generally require a photo ID, and I'd rather they check my face next to my address on my photo ID against the registration book...

Hmmm. The picture you're using looks a lot like General Sherman, but it might pass the elections board, depending on which state you live in.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Hmmm. The picture you're using looks a lot like General Sherman, but it might pass the elections board, depending on which state you live in.

It makes voting easier in Georgia.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I can think of plenty of reasons why you shouldn't control it more.

And they are......?

 

[TLK Valentine]

And they are......?

...plentiful.

 

[Always in His Presence]

...plentiful.

I was hoping you would share two or three of them.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I was hoping you would share two or three of them.

Well, for starters, Republican presidential candidates have lost the popular vote in 7 out of the last 8 presidential elections, and were it not for the electoral college, the 21st century would have been entirely blue thus far. Clearly making it easier for the people to vote is not in your best interest.

Second, Donald has already spoken on this matter -- Trump says Republicans would ‘never’ be elected again if it was easier to vote -- so it would be a waste of my time to expect a dissenting opinion.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

Well, for starters, Republican presidential candidates have lost the popular vote in 7 out of the last 8 presidential elections, and were it not for the electoral college, the 21st century would have been entirely blue thus far. Clearly making it easier for the people to vote is not in your best interest.

Second, Donald has already spoken on this matter -- Trump says Republicans would ‘never’ be elected again if it was easier to vote -- so it would be a waste of my time to expect a dissenting opinion.

Some are not interested any of these facts. In the land of “wide spread voted fraud” you can’t use facts and logic. In 2016 eve when Trump won the election, he and some claimed voter fraud and in their mind only people commit voter fraud are those who doesn’t vote for them. You think they will understand facts and logic when they lost? Some of these people are beyond reconciliation. And even if they understand your facts and logic, they would never admit it. Some of these people take ivermectin and give it to their children just to prove you are wrong.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Well, for starters, Republican presidential candidates have lost the popular vote in 7 out of the last 8 presidential elections, and were it not for the electoral college, the 21st century would have been entirely blue thus far. Clearly making it easier for the people to vote is not in your best interest.

Second, Donald has already spoken on this matter -- Trump says Republicans would ‘never’ be elected again if it was easier to vote -- so it would be a waste of my time to expect a dissenting opinion.

Clarification please:

Are you indicating that you believe if people voting by mail had to request a ballot and return it with a copy of their voter registration card would result in Republicans gaining the popular vote?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Clarification please:

Are you indicating that you believe if people voting by mail had to request a ballot and return it with a copy of their voter registration card would result in Republicans gaining the popular vote?

If that's what you're concerned about, your party could try being more... popular. ( I know it's an odd concept in politics. )

 

[Always in His Presence]

If that's what you're concerned about, your party could try being more... popular. ( I know it's an odd concept in politics. )

I have no idea what that means? Your comment makes no sense in relation to my question. If making the mail in ballots traceable and more secure (requiring them being requested and getting a copy of the voters registration with its return, would result in Democrats not winning elections - what does that say about the mass mailing voting and ballot harvesting going on right now?

 

[Hans Blaster]

I have no idea what that means? Your comment makes no sense in relation to my question. If making the mail in ballots traceable and more secure (requiring them being requested and getting a copy of the voters registration with its return, would result in Democrats not winning elections - what does that say about the mass mailing voting and ballot harvesting going on right now?

As many have indicated in this thread (but not really me, yet) -- mail balloting doesn't make elections insecure and there are demonstrated ways to conduct such elections.

What mail balloting *does* do is increase turn out by making it easier for more "casual" voters to participate. If the low-participation voters trend against your political leanings and you want to use "difficulty of voting" to keep them out so your preferred candidates can win then the "security" schemes you support really are just "voter suppression". Not sure exactly why TLK Valentine referenced recent "pop. vote" v. EC results other than maybe it illustrates the well of unpopularity the GOP dwells in as it doesn't say anything directly about election security.

 

[trunks2k]

I too have never had a voter ID nor been asked for ID to vote. If my signature is close enough to my prior signature for my registration address that is all we need.

Here in PA, it's pretty simple. The first time you vote in a precinct, you need to present some form of identification. That identification can be from a list of photo-id and non-photo id options, including the voter registration card they send when you register to vote in the precinct. Once you do that, you sign the book next to your name and go vote. From then on, any time you vote you just give your name and sign the book next to a copy of your signature from the previous time you voted. Don't need ID again.

Now, where I happen to vote they have asked for ID but not for identification purposes. ID is not required. It was just to make the process of finding you in the books easier. The physical location of where I vote handles a few precincts and several districts. So handing them your ID makes it easier to know what book to look you up in and there's less "Can you spell your name for me please? G as in 'great'? No? Oh, T as in 'tom"?"

The Republican run state assembly passed a voter ID law. That was later thrown out by the state supreme court because the only way one could get a free ID was at a driver's license center. And less than half the state lives less than half an hour from a center that was open more than a couple days a week. That made obtaining an ID an undo burden on people.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Some are not interested any of these facts. In the land of “wide spread voted fraud” you can’t use facts and logic. In 2016 eve when Trump won the election, he and some claimed voter fraud and in their mind only people commit voter fraud are those who doesn’t vote for them. You think they will understand facts and logic when they lost? Some of these people are beyond reconciliation. And even if they understand your facts and logic, they would never admit it. Some of these people take ivermectin and give it to their children just to prove you are wrong.

That would be a third reason.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Clarification please:

Are you indicating that you believe if people voting by mail had to request a ballot and return it with a copy of their voter registration card would result in Republicans gaining the popular vote?

Of course not -- it would result in precisely the opposite, which is why it's not in their best interest to allow it.

 

[Always in His Presence]

As many have indicated in this thread (but not really me, yet) -- mail balloting doesn't make elections insecure and there are demonstrated ways to conduct such elections.

And as I have stated numerous times on this thread - I support mail in Ballots provided

• The ballot should be requested by the voter - It would be free and easy - by phone, email, online or in person at a post office. Similar to absentee ballots
• The ballot would be sent directly to the person's home - no duplicates or bad addresses or excess printing.
• The voter would return the ballot with a copy of their voter ID - which they need to vote in National elections anyway.

Do you object or agree and why?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Of course not -- it would result in precisely the opposite, which is why it's not in their best interest to allow it.

I've never seen a Republican object to it? I have seen objections to mass mailing of ballot and ballot harvesting. Both of which would be addressed through these simple steps.