Voting by Mail?

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

I suggested that you were suggesting?

WOW

I cannot help your comprehension, only reply to what you have posted. The subject I have been discussing is mail in ballots - the argument has been that any requirements would effect minorities ability to vote. To which you have posted no less than three times

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Which is ludicrous at best. The direct connection with race is found in your reference to the poll tax, which was a racist law developed and passed by the Democratic Lawmakers of their day.

You were the one bringing race into this - not me. After you brought in race, since I am a minority - I expressed my feelings about the purveying POV you demonstrate.

As I previously started - numerically there are many more poor white citizens than minority ones, yet the issue presented from the left is always focused on minorities ability to vote. Why is that? Do you not care if the poor whites are incumbered in voting? Do their votes not matter as much as minority?

The reference to the poll tax being illegal is to the 24th amendment to the constitution and not any Democrat or Republican law. It was passed to outlaw practices that create economic barriers to voting. It is not specific to any group though the laws it outlawed often were targeted at specific groups.

 

[Always in His Presence]

You have said repeatedly people would have to buy a photocopier

Forcing people to have a photo copier is a form of a poll tax and is unconstitutional.

I suppose you could give everyone a free photo copier to get around that. Do you have a plan for that?

If you can’t afford a photo copy what is the likely hood you can afford a photo copier?

Can't afford a photo copy? Let's look at this, Kinko's - .49 - I was out running errands during lunch, so I asked. I asked my bank if they would - yes - .25 - I stopped by the library to return a book - asked - yes - no charge. I stopped in a McDonalds for a senior cup of coffee and asked the manager if he would run a copy for me - yes - no charge

Your argument is moot and lacks any real world fact.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Who said anything about "minorities"? My little wager is with you.

I'm still betting you'll fail the test. Any takers?

Your bias would prevent you from admitting anything other than what you have already determined.

But I am willing - will you please send me the money for the envelope, postage and cost of the photocopy please -

 

[TLK Valentine]

Your bias would prevent you from admitting anything other than what you have already determined.

You seem quite certain of that -- don't you have any faith in the impartiality of the proposed GOP electoral system reform?

But I am willing - will you please send me the money for the envelope, postage and cost of the photocopy please -

Sorry, but I'm afraid you have to provide your own.

And do be quick about it -- it would be a shame if I didn't receive it before the deadline.

 

[Always in His Presence]

The reference to the poll tax being illegal is to the 24th amendment to the constitution and not any Democrat or Republican law. It was passed to outlaw practices that create economic barriers to voting. It is not specific to any group though the laws it outlawed often were targeted at specific groups.

For Election Day, A History Of The Poll Tax In America

A poll tax is generally considered a fee paid for the right to vote. And while the poll tax is most often associated with suppressing the African American vote during the 1960s, those in power required voters to pay poll taxes long before that time
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The poll tax kept black Virginians from voting. Half a century later, it’s finally being stripped from the books.

The poll tax kept black Virginians from voting. Half a century later, it’s finally being stripped from the books.



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[GreatLakes4Ever]

You have said repeatedly people would have to buy a photocopier







Can't afford a photo copy? Let's look at this, Kinko's - .49 - I was out running errands during lunch, so I asked. I asked my bank if they would - yes - .25 - I stopped by the library to return a book - asked - yes - no charge. I stopped in a McDonalds for a senior cup of coffee and asked the manager if he would run a copy for me - yes - no charge

Your argument is moot and lacks any real world fact.

If you already have a photocopier this would be free and therefore my whole argument is moot but most do not.

So you had to go to multiple places to try to find a place to get free copies. How did you get to these places? Did you drive a car? A lot of people don’t have cars. Did you take public transportation? A lot of places public transportation is somewhere between terrible and non-existent. Not everyone lives in an area where all of these places are in walking distance. This also is worthless for people who are home bound. They aren’t touring around town looking for a place to get free photocopies.

And while you look at the price per photocopy as near nothing, when you are barely scraping by any extra cost can hurt. That $.49 can get you a Cup of Noodles for dinner or you can vote and go hungry tonight. Over a dozen states require postage on mail in ballots because a stamp could be considered a poll tax.

 

[Always in His Presence]

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[TLK Valentine]

You have said repeatedly people would have to buy a photocopier

And some would... it depends on the district.

Can't afford a photo copy? Let's look at this, Kinko's - .49 - I was out running errands during lunch, so I asked. I asked my bank if they would - yes - .25 - I stopped by the library to return a book - asked - yes - no charge. I stopped in a McDonalds for a senior cup of coffee and asked the manager if he would run a copy for me - yes - no charge

Your argument is moot and lacks any real world fact.

Unfortunately, neither McDonalds, Kinko's, nor the bank's copiers have the proper dpi/resolution to be acceptable in your district, so I'm afraid we cannot accept the copies submitted.

We're sure you understand -- we take election integrity very seriously in this state. Better luck next election.

 

[Always in His Presence]

And some would... it depends on the district.

Who? Make sure you cite sources showing it. Because I think it's all about "who shot john".

 

[TLK Valentine]

Who? Make sure you cite sources showing it. Because I think it's all about "who shot john".

I think you're finally getting the point -- perhaps against your will.

"The Board of Elections for ______ regrets to inform you that the quality of your photocopy was insufficient to maintain election integrity. We apologize for the inconvenience, and invite you to fill out the attached form XZ9-42J in triplicate in order to prevent this unfortunate situation from disrupting your participation in future elections."

 

[Always in His Presence]

I think you're finally getting the point -- perhaps against your will.

"The Board of Elections for ______ regrets to inform you that the quality of your photocopy was insufficient to maintain election integrity. We apologize for the inconvenience, and invite you to fill out the attached form XZ9-42J in triplicate in order to prevent this unfortunate situation from disrupting your participation in future elections."

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[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

For Election Day, A History Of The Poll Tax In America

A poll tax is generally considered a fee paid for the right to vote. And while the poll tax is most often associated with suppressing the African American vote during the 1960s, those in power required voters to pay poll taxes long before that time
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The poll tax kept black Virginians from voting. Half a century later, it’s finally being stripped from the books.

The poll tax kept black Virginians from voting. Half a century later, it’s finally being stripped from the books.



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Why don't you read the rest of the article, you might learn something.

 

[TLK Valentine]

link

to...?

 

[Always in His Presence]

to...?

Duh,,,, the words of your that I quoted

 

[TLK Valentine]

Duh,,,, the words of your that I quoted

You're asking me for a link to my own words?

 

[Hank77]

How does one know the signatures are real?

In the state of Colorado....

Voter's signatures are on file from when they registered to vote, from the DMV database, and from previous ballots from other elections. They may have access to other state databases, I'm not sure about that.

Under state law, one election judge first reviews a signature.

Election judges are trained to study whether signatures appear spontaneous or laboriously copied, for instance. They also look for the size of letters, loops, curls, strokes, slanted vs. straight, cursive vs. print, spacing, spelling and punctuation, according to the judges’ manual.

If the first judge rejects a signature, the decision goes to a team of two judges of different political affiliations for review.

If those judges agree there’s a discrepancy in the signature, the ballot gets rejected.

If just one of the judges believes the signature is really that of the voter, the ballot is accepted. Electronic verification machines also may be used, by law.

Signature verification keeps Colorado's mail-in voting secure

 

[Hank77]

Ballot harvesting is not a thing for mail in ballots. The reason is in the name. "Mail in". There is no need for a harvester. If one likes one can hand deliver it to a box made for that purpose. There will be such collection boxes. But if none are available one could find a local mailbox or, and I know that this is a "radical" idea. Simply leave it in one's own mailbox for the postman to pick up.

Harvesting includes mailing or dropping off other people's ballots. Every state allows some ballots to be mailed or dropped in a drop box by someone else. Most allow for family members only and then they still have a limit on how many they can drop off in one election.
Where I live no one has a mailbox at their home, we don't have mail delivery. Everyone has a PO box at the post office in town.

 

[Hank77]

Bring the strict laws. I’m adjusting going through the very easy steps of requesting a ballot and then supplying a photo copy of your registration that you already have possession of.

This is not a difficult thing. This is not a strict rule. This is easier than signing on and making multiple complaints on a forum

Going somewhere to make a photocopy and requesting a ballot every election is adding to a system that is working just the way that it is, at least in my state.

Colorado doesn't wait until election day to begin processing ballots, they are processed as they are received so it is not a mad dash rush to get them counted on election day. There is plenty of time to check signatures and contact voters if their ballot has been rejected for any reason and they can cure it to be counted.

 

[pgp_protector]

John doesn't have a car.
John doesn't have public transportation.
John doesn't have internet.

How does John get a FREE photocopy of their Registration to send in?

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

John doesn't have a car.
John doesn't have public transportation.
John doesn't have internet.

How does John get a FREE photocopy of their Registration to send in?

I wanted to know as well. I even asked the creator of the plan of it and there was no answer. It’s almost as if the creator of the plan doesn’t care if poor people won’t be able to vote because of this. Which is surprising because the creator of the plan actually questioned whether I cared about poor people when I was questioning the plan.