Voters Shift in Favor of Kerry

[2001MustangGT]

All the LA Times did was call a bunch of people and collect information. They compared the numbers to similar polls they did in the past and reported the results.


I wonder why no conservative media outlets are currently touting numbers in their own polls that show Bush in the lead?

Oh I know! Because if a conservative media source took a poll right now, they would ALSO show that Kerry is in the lead!

Kerrys quality isnt the issue here... Bush's COMPLETE LACK of any quality is the issue.

Even Ronald Reagans son, Ronnie Reagan, seems to be upset with Bush. Did anyone hear his comment abou wearing religion on one's sleeve during his eulogy at the funeral? Quite clearly a jab at Bush.

More and more people seem to be jumping on the anti-Bush wagon, and for good reason.

 

[2001MustangGT]

Another thought... I posted this on the Atheist voting poll.

Kerry is religious too. Bush "wears it on his sleeve" more, but my reasons for liking Kerry are only 5% religious.

My reasons are 95% because:
1. The world hates us more than ever
2. Bush is against abortion
3. Bush is pro-abstinence sex education and against birth control distributionto young people

Research clearly shows that societies are better off when the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Bush believes in, takes place. (Think of Europe)

 

[dlamberth]

Touting an LA Times Poll would be paramount to touting a National Review Poll. I think people can understand this.

Regardless, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that people of both the Democrats and Republican parties are very upset with Bush and are more loudly voicing their anger at this Administration. If the tide has not yet shifted, if the anger we are hearing from both sides continues, it's only a mater of time.

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[BFWard]

Agreed. I just hope that this disappointment does not give us Kerry as a Commander and Chief. I too admit that Bush II has done some things that cause me great concern, mainly the Patriot Act. On the other hand, anyone who renounced his service to his country should not run it.

On the other hand, there can be no denial that both polls (the original, and the one I found) exist. They are both diffent, and they are both disputable. I was just posting as reminder not to start pouring the wine over either one of them.

 

[dlamberth]

On the other hand, anyone who renounced his service to his country should not run it.

I was in the Vietnam war and know first hand what people experienced. You can not take todays Iraq war reality of 2004 and apply it to the Vietnam war reality of those times. The political landscape is totally different. I view Kerry as a hero for realizing what we all knew, that the Vietnam war was wrong and needed to be protested. Kerry served, and served well. He learned first hand that the war was wrong and was brave to voice what he knew as truth. Growing and learning is a good healthy aspect to have in a president.

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[BFWard]

Quite a few Vietnam Veterans do not feel this way.

As a veteran from another war (First Gulf War), I kept the hindsite regarding loyalty. I am aware that Vietnam was a far more chaotic and destructive war, but I also know how not to lose the faith. Many Vietnam Vets feel this way. What Kerry has done is lose the faith. Now he wants to run it. To me, this triggers my sense of right and wrong. It is plain hypocracy.

 

[dlamberth]

Quite a few Vietnam Veterans do not feel this way.

Yet quite a few do, and in my own circle of veteran friends, most do. That's not scientific, I know. But that is what I experience.

As a veteran from another war (First Gulf War), I kept the hindsite regarding loyalty. I am aware that Vietnam was a far more chaotic and destructive war, but I also know how not to lose the faith. Many Vietnam Vets feel this way. What Kerry has done is lose the faith. Now he wants to run it. To me, this triggers my sense of right and wrong. It is plain hypocracy.

I have never seen Kerry as shedding his loyalty. Only his support of a war that was wrong. Those are two different things.

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[jameseb]

and you are not being forced to join anything. you chose to do what you do for a job and by doing so you accepted whatever baggage comes with it.

Oh.. okay. Then I don't want to ever hear you complain about your taxes, your local government, who's president, etc. You live in the United States. You know the baggage that comes with it.

did you not know they had a union when you accepted the job?

No, I didn't.

did you not know that democrats tend to support unions and republicans tend not too? how have you been forced or coerced?

Its actually the other way around, LC.... the Unions support the Democrats. The Unions don't support the Repbulicans. Are you employed by a union, LC? Were you ever employed through a union, LC? Just curious to know if I'm being lectured on unions by someone with experience or not on the subject, cause, buddy, I got that experience.

 

[reverend B]

Oh.. okay. Then I don't want to ever hear you complain about your taxes, your local government, who's president, etc. You live in the United States. You know the baggage that comes with it.



No, I didn't.




Its actually the other way around, LC.... the Unions support the Democrats. The Unions don't support the Repbulicans. Are you employed by a union, LC? Were you ever employed through a union, LC? Just curious to know if I'm being lectured on unions by someone with experience or not on the subject, cause, buddy, I got that experience.

me too. i belong to one now and did when i was 17. it doesn't take much research to find out what happens to the worker in this country without them. check out what henry ford did to his workers.
i do accept the baggage that comes with being a citizen of this country. i also accept the privileges, like being able to speak out against things that seem unjust to me or usury (sp?). that is part of the package. it is not a dictatorship where i am not allowed to speak. i bet your union is the same way. you may be on the minority side of the unions opinion, but i bet you can run for office in your union and get elected as a delegate if you can convince enough people that your policies are correct. the onus is on you to change the union, not for the union to conform to you.
it comes down to taking responsibility for your situation.
and shame on you for not knowing it was a union house. again, your responsibility.
no comment on the first part of my post?

 

[BFWard]

READ MY POST MAN! i was giving the benefit of the doubt that you just didn't understand the difference, but now you are embarrassing yourself. pick your pollster. the results are extremely close among all of them. the fox poll of its readers is a completely different animal. do you honestly not understand the difference?

Funny, I don't feel embarrassed......MAN.

 

[BFWard]

I have never seen Kerry as shedding his loyalty. Only his support of a war that was wrong. Those are two different things.

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As an old soldier, you should know that throwing medals means you renounce your service. If renouncing your service does not mean shedding loyalty, what does? This is like stomping on a Cross, and then seeking a Pastorship decades later.

 

[dlamberth]

As an old soldier, you should know that throwing medals means you renounce your service. If renouncing your service does not mean shedding loyalty, what does? This is like stomping on a Cross, and then seeking a Pastorship decades later.

Loyalty to what? A wrong war or a wrong ideology? That has absolutely nothing to do with ones loyalty to America.




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[Texas Lynn]

As a forced member of a union, and forced to contribute my hard earned money to his political party

If you don't want to join the union, you should be paid about 30 cents an hour or whatever the wage rate was before the union came in.

 

[BFWard]

Loyalty to what? A wrong war or a wrong ideology? That has absolutely nothing to do with ones loyalty to America.

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America never had the wrong ideology, unless you were a supporter of the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, ect.... Regardless, he did renounce his service to his country, which happens to be my country. Now it is comming back to bite him 30 years later, as it should. Consequence for actions, personal respoinsibility are alien concepts for some, but not all.

 

[jameseb]

If you don't want to join the union, you should be paid about 30 cents an hour or whatever the wage rate was before the union came in.

Ah, well... you do realize that times have changed and that minimum wage is much higher than that, right?

As a matter of fact, the sups at my place of work are non-union members and they have all the same benefits. Interesting.

 

[BlessEwe]

Polls will change back and forth....To tell you the truth, I wouldn't want to be running in this election...

 

[Texas Lynn]

Ah, well... you do realize that times have changed and that minimum wage is much higher than that, right?

Since Unionism is responsible for those raises, the effective level for scabs should theoretically be in the 1910 range or thereabouts.

 

[jameseb]

Since Unionism is responsible for those raises, the effective level for scabs should theoretically be in the 1910 range or thereabouts.

*just smiles*


Lynn, how does that account for the lack of 10 cent an hour jobs that now exist in the country today.. non-union jobs at that? You can't make that kind of case, I'm sorry.

 

[jsn112]

Loyalty to what? A wrong war or a wrong ideology? That has absolutely nothing to do with ones loyalty to America.




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It's not a wrong war. I was born there. Because the US lost, I had to leave. Otherwise, I would still be there. My family fought alongside with the US. And if you think only the Americans "murder" innocent Vietnameses, the Viet-cong was just as bad or worse.

I don't support Kerry not because he was Jane Fonda, but because he wants to kill babies and would allow sinful law into this great country. But in a way, I have to thank Kerry because I am here. But that's about it.

 

[jameseb]

It's not a wrong war. I was born there. Because the US lost, I had to leave. Otherwise, I would still be there. My family fought alongside with the US. And if you think only the Americans "murder" innocent Vietnameses, the Viet-cong was just as bad or worse.

I don't support Kerry not because he was Jane Fonda, but because he wants to kill babies and would allow sinful law into this great country. But in a way, I have to thank Kerry because I am here. But that's about it.

I had to rep you for your post. I noticed no one has challenged you either... I guess they realize its hard to debate someone who actually lived it, was actually there.

God bless.