Voters Shift in Favor of Kerry

[GW_in_04]

I voted for [/color]
You seem to be saying that voting for Clinton was somehow a bad thing. Eight years of peace and prosperity is something we could all use again.

From the benefits of policies Reagan put in place to begin with. Eight years of ruining a military and letting factions like Al Quaeda and the Taliban run wild. Raising taxes, and overall ruining the economy. Most economic professors say much of the wealth this country has now can be directly linked to many of the policies put into place by Reagan and Bush, Sr. I had a devout Clinton supporter for my Eco class in college and he even noted at the time Clinton's policies will come back to bite this country in a few years, as most of the debts and so on were financed on short term loans and bonds.

 

[Starscream]

The LA Times also predicted that Mondale would beat Reagan back in the day.

Details? Links? Proof?

 

[Ampmonster]

its just an observation.

 

[Oblivious]

I'm not a devout supporter of Kerry, but I want him to win for simply defeating Bush! Yay!

LOL - I'm the opposite. I'll probably vote for Bush just to keep Kerry out!

 

[Ampmonster]

I'm not a devout supporter of Kerry, but I want him to win for simply defeating Bush! Yay!

yeah that about sums up everything about kerry's platform. all criticism but not one alternative or solution.

 

[lucaspa]

a_b_

Clinton, whatever you feel about him personally, managed the longest period of economic growth and reduced the deficit. It was "bubble-up" economics. Bush trashed the economy and saddled us with a national debt that we may never be able to pay off.

What you don't realize is that there is going to be less money for business soon because all the money is going to be tied up in the government borrowing. Less money means higher interest rates. Businesses are like people, they don't pay for huge capital outlays in cold hard cash. Like you buying a car, GM builds a new plant by borrowing the money. Now there is less money to borrow, thanks to Bush, and money is going to cost more -- higher interest. What little more comes in from the little more consumer spending isn't going to make up for the higher interest rates. That little more that came in already went out to stockholders as dividends.

In the meantime, you and other Americans want all the government services you are used to, but you don't want to pay the dues to get them. Government is like a club -- you have to pay dues. Taxes are not impositions; they are the dues you owe for the services you get from the club.

Bush has bought his presidency by conning the American people. They will pay for the huge deficits he has run up, but the bill won't be due until he is safely out of office. In the meantime, the tax cuts for the rich ensured that his rich buddies got paid back for all the campaign contributions they paid to buy him into the presidency in the first place. So Bush and his buddies make out like bandits and you, a_b_, are stuck with the bill to pay in 5 or 6 years. But right now you are a happy mark, and that is what the con man needs -- happy marks until he is safely out of town.

 

[lucaspa]

I'm not a devout supporter of Kerry, but I want him to win for simply defeating Bush! Yay!

yeah that about sums up everything about kerry's platform. all criticism but not one alternative or solution.

Unfortunately, that is true. However, wasn't Bush much the same way -- all criticism of Clinton/Gore? And I remember Reagan's first campaign. It was all criticism of Carter. No idea how to get the hostages out of Iran. The best thing Carter ever did for Reagan was negotiate an end to the crisis right before Reagan took office. Because Reagan never had a plan to deal with it; he just didn't like what Carter did.

 

[Mac6yver]

And Clinton certainly had the chance to rid the world of Osama bin Ladin.
Nearly 3000 Americans would be alive today had he done so.

While it is true that taking Osama out prior to 9/11 would have been a great thing, I do not think that you can make the statement that 9/11 would not have happened. 9/11 could have easily been carried out without Osama.

 

[2003MustangGT]

- a_b_



If we misunderstood you than I'm sorry.

I work hard to be able to afford my car, and I take offence when someone accuses me or one of my best friends of having mommy/daddy buy it for us.

The economy isn't doing that well right now, but it is recovering. I haven’t seen anything though that would lead me to attribute this to Shrub.

Our ability to afford nice cars has more to do with what we sacrifice to have them than how much money we make. Besides... even in a bad economy there are people with jobs making money. My memory is a little fussy on this but I don't think that unemployment has ever been over 10 or 15%. That still leaves 85-90% of the country employed, making money, buying stuff. So the fact that we have a job and that we can afford $25K cars dose not mean the economy is doing well.

Here is a snip from the Herald Tribune...

"And then, within months, the promises crumbled. The budget was upended by what economists now say were three independent forces gathering in power at once: a steep economic decline, a political consensus to slash taxes and the effects of the 2001 terrorist attacks. The surplus disappeared, replaced the next year with a budget deficit that has since grown to a record size. The $5.6 trillion surplus once predicted for the 10 years ending in 2011 is now a $2.3 trillion cumulative deficit under the best-case prediction issued by the Congressional Budget Office two weeks ago."

Yeah... Bush is doing a great job
I call it Shrubageddon.

Here is a site with some interesting information...
[Censored] for offensive domain name, and I'm not alowed to post URLs yet.

 

[GW_in_04]

Bush has bought his presidency by conning the American people. They will pay for the huge deficits he has run up, but the bill won't be due until he is safely out of office.

On the contrary his policies will reduce the debt properly unlike Clinton who was like most Americans, take short term loans out to pay off things, then when they come due again, you still have huge principal balances and even higher interest rates.

In the meantime, the tax cuts for the rich ensured that his rich buddies got paid back for all the campaign contributions they paid to buy him into the presidency in the first place.

Kerry has just as much if not more wealth and "rich" people supporting him. And don't play the lib/media quote about tax cut for the rich bc. I make less than 50k a year and in this area I live, that is difficult to make it having a family to support. My tax return was the highest ever, and not to mention during this presidency I got something I have never seen out of any other president, a tax relief check in the middle of the year. You libs and the media alike crucified Bush Sr when he raised taxes, now his son lowers taxes and makes it easier for middle america to have families with good child tax deductions and so on and you harp on that. You sound like Kerry, voting for the war before he voted against it? Can't make up your mind. The tax cuts start at 30k a year and that is hardly rich. Maybe I should just be like so many and run to the gov't for free handouts and go on welfare and section 8. That is what the dem/lib platform seems to be.

 

[burrow_owl]

You libs and the media alike crucified Bush Sr when he raised taxes

Chillllll.

 

[BFWard]

Gee, a Fox Poll in progress has Bush at 86%, Kerry at 9%, Nader at 2%. I guess we can average out the LA Times and Fox polls?

http://www.foxnews.com/

 

[alaurie]

From the benefits of policies Reagan put in place to begin with. Eight years of ruining a military and letting factions like Al Quaeda and the Taliban run wild. Raising taxes, and overall ruining the economy. Most economic professors say much of the wealth this country has now can be directly linked to many of the policies put into place by Reagan and Bush, Sr. I had a devout Clinton supporter for my Eco class in college and he even noted at the time Clinton's policies will come back to bite this country in a few years, as most of the debts and so on were financed on short term loans and bonds.

Amen

I voted for [/color]Clinton because he was the better candidate.



You seem to be saying that voting for Clinton was somehow a bad thing. Eight years of peace and prosperity is something we could all use again.

Clinton, whatever you feel about him personally, managed the longest period of economic growth and reduced the deficit.

Do a little time-frame economic research, Volos and lucaspa.

The economy was on an upward track before Clinton was elected and began its decline before he left office. I don't have the data, am not going to look for it, because the reports I heard regarding these facts were from National Public Radio .....'nuf said .....no Republican bias there.

 

[Starscream]

I don't have the data, am not going to look for it, because the reports I heard regarding these facts were from National Public Radio .....'nuf said .....no Republican bias there.

Sen. Bill Frist and Dick Cheney are lovers. I don't have the data, and I'm not going to look for it, because the reports I heard regarding these facts were from Rush Limbaugh's Radio Show .....'nuff said ...... no Democratic bias there.

 

[reverend B]

Gee, a Fox Poll in progress has Bush at 86%, Kerry at 9%, Nader at 2%. I guess we can average out the LA Times and Fox polls?

http://www.foxnews.com/

are you just hoping that noone will go to the link? i went.
kerry 45% bush 43%

what are u referring to?

 

[Mistyfogg]

The LA Times also predicted that Mondale would beat Reagan back in the day. That poll is about as accurrate as me posting a poll from vote.com or newsmax.com

Read this from an NBC analyst.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/6/10/225936.shtml

That link was a joke. It had no proof to discredit the LA Times poll. Give me some real evidence please.

 

[alaurie]

Sen. Bill Frist and Dick Cheney are lovers. I don't have the data, and I'm not going to look for it, because the reports I heard regarding these facts were from Rush Limbaugh's Radio Show .....'nuff said ...... no Democratic bias there.

LOL.... I happen not to be a Rush fan - detoxed around 1991 - and do like NPR. I feel NPR leans more toward the left than the right but overall does a better job presenting all sides of issues than any other news source. And they did run the stories I mentioned- I was listening pretty much every afternoon during those years.

 

[Mistyfogg]

Gee, a Fox Poll in progress has Bush at 86%, Kerry at 9%, Nader at 2%. I guess we can average out the LA Times and Fox polls?

http://www.foxnews.com/

Are you talking about the internet poll that is in progress? Do you understand that internet polls don't mean diddly squat? I will tell you why:

They are a self-selected sample, which means that potential respondents, themselves, decide whether or not they are included in the sample. FoxNews is a biased website because more conservatives and republicans prefer FoxNEws opposed to other news stations.

While a randomly selected sample has better results, like the LA Times had.

 

[jsn112]

Clinton, whatever you feel about him personally, managed the longest period of economic growth and reduced the deficit. It was "bubble-up" economics. Bush trashed the economy and saddled us with a national debt that we may never be able to pay off.

Clinton didn't reduce the deficit. He reduced debt, which is yearly. And that is why the liberals kept saying there is a surplus. The deficit was always there. There's a difference.

What you don't realize is that there is going to be less money for business soon because all the money is going to be tied up in the government borrowing.

I thought majority of businesses if they want to borrow, they borrow it from loaning instition, not the government except for the big businesses like Ford?

You talk like the government handles all loans.

Bush has bought his presidency by conning the American people. They will pay for the huge deficits he has run up, but the bill won't be due until he is safely out of office. In the meantime, the tax cuts for the rich ensured that his rich buddies got paid back for all the campaign contributions they paid to buy him into the presidency in the first place. So Bush and his buddies make out like bandits and you, a_b_, are stuck with the bill to pay in 5 or 6 years. But right now you are a happy mark, and that is what the con man needs -- happy marks until he is safely out of town.

Did you know top 10% of the richest people pay over 60% of annual income tax? And did you know that bottom 50% less than 5%? So, what's my point? Stop punishing the rich people! When did the U.S. ever became a communist State trying to take the rich people money away? If I work hard and lucky enough to earn lot of money, why am I being punished?

I swear you liberals(democrats) want this country to be more and more like the communists.

 

[Алексей]

Hopefully, for the sake of the American experiment, Kerry does win AND is inaugurated as POTUS. I have a feeling the Diebold president wasn't lying when he promised to deliver votes to Bush in 2004 though.