Virginity

[futuredoc]

Are you are virgin KerrieTex???

Kathy

This post makes me wonder if you're just posting statements to "stir the pot" since she's answered the question on numerous occasions already.

 

[LongLegs]

It is not, as you claim, only because we can't have sex. Just because purity doesn't mean anything to you, doesn't mean it is as worthless to the rest of us.

Your judgment of us (yes, that's right, you are being highly judgmental) is based solely on your own insecurities and not on reality.

But is a person "pure" just because they are a virgin????

My point was that a "virgin" with impure thoughts and lust is no different than the non-virgins living immorally!

Kathy

 

[LongLegs]

Observer:​

someone or something that observes.​

Observe:​

to see, watch, perceive, or notice​

I don't see anything in those definitions about drawing conclusions, broadbrushing or making claims.

You are more than an observer as soon as you open your mouth to tell us your opinion.

I disagree .... I see nothing wrong with "reporting" what I "observe". And if we are really honest, we could easily find published facts about many of the things I've said.

Kathy

 

[Tamara224]

But is a person "pure" just because they are a virgin????

My point was that a "virgin" with impure thoughts and lust is no different than the non-virgins living immorally!

Kathy

If that was your point, then you would have done better to say it rather than claiming that virgins are only virgins because they they "can't" get any.

If you had bothered to read the thread, you would have seen that I have actually already made this point about purity, as have others.

Nevertheless, a virgin striving for purity and trying to control his/her thoughts is vastly different than the non-virgins living immorally. In fact, a non-virgin striving for purity and trying to control his/her thoughts is vastly different than the non-virgins living immorally. People make mistakes. It's not whether we are perfect or not; it's what we're striving for, it's what's in our hearts that counts.

 

[Sanctuaryandbliss]

But is a person "pure" just because they are a virgin????

My point was that a "virgin" with impure thoughts and lust is no different than the non-virgins living immorally!

Kathy

Wow.Its a good thing God forgives me. I have impure thoughts. But I am not ashamed to admit it.

 

[Tamara224]

I disagree .... I see nothing wrong with "reporting" what I "observe". And if we are really honest, we could easily find published facts about many of the things I've said.

Kathy

Well, 1) I never said it was "wrong" to report what you observe, I merely noted that once you begin reporting, you're no long "just" an observer. Maybe if you were a better observer you'd have noted that.

2) If you want to be honest, then what you need to do is retract your overly broad generalization and judgmentalism and admit that some virgins are virgins by choice for reasons beyond your personal comprehension.

 

[LongLegs]

Nevertheless, a virgin striving for purity and trying to control his/her thoughts is vastly different than the non-virgins living immorally. In fact, a non-virgin striving for purity and trying to control his/her thoughts is vastly different than the non-virgins living immorally. People make mistakes. It's not whether we are perfect or not; it's what we're striving for, it's what's in our hearts that counts.

That sounds nice, but you are wrong. All you are doing is giving justification for someone living wrong (having a dirty mind), but saying they are better than the person living immorally. I think the Bible says they are both the same.

Kathy

 

[LongLegs]

Wow.Its a good thing God forgives me. I have impure thoughts. But I am not ashamed to admit it.

So, God doesn't forgive the person who isn't a virgin??

Kathy

 

[Tamara224]

That sounds nice, but you are wrong. All you are doing is giving justification for someone living wrong (having a dirty mind), but saying they are better than the person living immorally. I think the Bible says they are both the same.

Kathy

You are the only one who used the word "better". I used the word "different."

This isn't about self-righteousness, Kathy. It's about trying to live a life pleasing to God.

Besides, what you fail to realize is that not everyone has a "dirty mind". A stray thought here and there does not constitute a "dirty mind".

For myself, I am a virgin by choice because of many reasons, not the least of which is offering my body as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God. (Which is definitely what the Bible says ).

You can try, but you are not really able to drag others through the mud here. Despite what you claim, our reasons are not self-righteousness or fear or inability. You see, this is the thing you may never understand: What you need to do is get washed in the blood so that you are not dirty by comparison. The dirt you try to fling on us to blur the distinction won't stick.

I pray that God will open your eyes. I pray that your insecurities will lead you at last to the feet of Him who loves you and gave his life for you so that you can be pure too.

 

[KarrieTex]

You are the only who used the word "better". I used the word "different."

This isn't about self-righteousness, Kathy. It's about trying to live a life pleasing to God.

Besides, what you fail to realize is that not everyone has a "dirty mind". A stray thought here and there does not constitute a "dirty mind".

For myself, I am a virgin by choice because of many reasons, not the least of which is offering my body as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God. (Which is definitely what the Bible says ).

You can try, but you are not really able to drag others through the mud here. Despite what you claim, our reasons are not self-righteousness or fear or inability. You see, this is the thing you may never understand: What you need to do is get washed in the blood so that you are not dirty by comparison. The dirt you try to fling on us to blur the distinction won't stick.

I pray that God will open your eyes. I pray that your insecurities will lead you at last to the feet of Him who loves you and gave his life for you so that you can be pure too.

 

[Sanctuaryandbliss]

So, God doesn't forgive the person who isn't a virgin??

Kathy

Course he does. but he forgives those who arnt as well. Pease dont put words in my mouth.

 

[JPPT1974]

God does forgive the person
When they repent and turn away
From their past is the way that
I look at it.

 

[ItalianAngel]

Well, in my opinion, the ones that are still virgins are ones that nobody has "allowed" them to lose their virginity with them yet.

Present the "right" guy or girl to them, and they would lose their virginity in a second.

Just my opinion, based on the people I see.

Kathy

Again, your view is really off. In fact it's laughable. I would also question the moral character of the people you see.

There are some of us who have walked with Christ for a long time and made a promise to Him to maintain that purity until marriage. I did it and I am honoring my promise to God about it.

I have faced temptation. Being someone who is engaged, it is not the lack of opportunity as you so snidely put it, it is the actual desire to walk in the ways of God.

However, I don's subscribe to the shallow gym-rat mentality of those in my generation or younger. Shallowness does nothing but breed self-contempt.

, KarrieTex!

I'm also a virgin. My dbf and I are very much in love and very passionately attracted to each other. Believe me, we've had plenty of opportunites to have sex but we haven't yet. We will know when the time is right, and for us, that will be when we are married in God's perfect time.

 

[Im_A]

But is a person "pure" just because they are a virgin????

My point was that a "virgin" with impure thoughts and lust is no different than the non-virgins living immorally!

Kathy

may i say, while i don't make a judgement on the idea of pre-marital sex as i believe people should seek that out with their special someone and know what their relationship is really made up of, this is probably the best post in this thread.

it seems that there is some hidden reason out that because people keep their legs together, they have somehow obtained something special while they struggle with lustful thoughts. live and let live i suppose.

 

[Annova]

Listen ..... I am just an observer of life and all kinds of people.

I see plenty of these "goody - goody" people who judge people having sex and saying how bad that is, and the truth is they are having sexual thoughts that are just as wrong .....and given the chance, they will be jumping right in the sack with someone.

Trust me, there ain't many virgins out there ... get real!!

Kathy

Wooo..oh...I see some generalizations.

I guess it would depend on how you define many. There are lot of children/teens in this world that haven't had sex yet. So that constitutes a lot IMO.

Now if someone were to say that as you age the number decreases...well yeah I agree...I've never met older virgins before in real life. I don't know any and the most I've seen is on this forum. No offense or anything to those who are older and still one. Just saying.

But while I'm talking about this. I am wondering something. How come there is a handful of people on here that are older and still virgins? I mean I know why because their not married but is maintaining being a virgin one of the things keeping you from a relationship? Just asking so please don't get all mad. I'm curious....

 

[JPPT1974]

Hey I am nearly 33 years old
And am a virgin and really
Proud of it!

 

[SonicBOOM]

But is a person "pure" just because they are a virgin????

My point was that a "virgin" with impure thoughts and lust is no different than the non-virgins living immorally!

Kathy

how do you figure this out! This is like saying that a person who has a desire to eat is just as guilty as a glutton! The point is self-control.... of course thoughts will come. But what are you going to do about that. This alone defines purety.

Well, in my opinion, the ones that are still virgins are ones that nobody has "allowed" them to lose their virginity with them yet.

Present the "right" guy or girl to them, and they would lose their virginity in a second.

Just my opinion, based on the people I see.

Kathy

thats funny.... because my veiw of reality gives me the impression that people truly value their virginity and see it as a means of respecting themselves. They beleive that they are made for a specail purpose and their sexaulity is a gift to one person only. It has nothing to do with additudes. it's how we see life. Besides.... if all we had to gain from chastity is pride than who would do it??

Listen ..... I am just an observer of life and all kinds of people.

I see plenty of these "goody - goody" people who judge people having sex and saying how bad that is, and the truth is they are having sexual thoughts that are just as wrong .....and given the chance, they will be jumping right in the sack with someone.

whats this have to do with virginity?? The only thing you've addressed is snobbish additudes. I hope your not assuming that every virgin is a snob! I would be pretty offended by that....


I'm not saying we shouldn't forgive people's past mistakes.... but what YOUR saying is that purety and chastity itself is vain! This is taken to a very leftist extreme. It's disconnected from reality. We do need SOME self-restraint when it comes to sexaulity.

 

[Niels]

I've never met older virgins before in real life.

How do you know?

 

[Annova]

How do you know?

Because my social life isn't Christan based people. Those who are older that I do know are either in a relationship or married. All I know to be are not.

Plus I haven't been to church in over a month so whatever one I decide to go might have one or two floating around. Don't know but I do doubt it.

So you see...I don't know anyone who is that old and still one. But if I do come across someone that is, I'm interested to know why they still are and have never been married.

 

[kingoffools13]

But while I'm talking about this. I am wondering something. How come there is a handful of people on here that are older and still virgins? I mean I know why because their not married but is maintaining being a virgin one of the things keeping you from a relationship? Just asking so please don't get all mad. I'm curious....

Lets just say it can, but to clarify its not the fact that they are a virgin, but the fact that other people have sinned. Sin always has consequences, sometimes we make others pay for our foolishness.

In a society where it is socially acceptable to sleep around, the people who are actually willing to do it correctly do so at a personal cost. It is no longer simply self sacrifice to wait past your own urges, but you now must deal with the consequences of sins you did not commit. It is a vile state of affairs.

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