Virginia Police Sergeant Suspended After Antifa Group Identifies White Nationalist Ties

[SummerMadness]

Virginia Police Sergeant Suspended After Antifa Group Identifies White Nationalist Ties

A police sergeant in Virginia who was assigned to monitor the protests related to Gov. Ralph Northam was suspended Wednesday after being identified by an anti-fascist group as having an "affinity with white nationalist groups."

The sergeant, Robert A. Stamm, 36, "has been placed on paid administrative leave pending the results of a review," the Virginia Division of Capitol Police said in a statement. Sergeant Stamm joined the division in 2014 and was promoted to his current rank last year, officials said.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Not sure if I trust Antifa to investigate these things. Ever since it was revealed their DC leader who was arrested for assaulting those two Marines had political connections to the Democratic Party...their claims hold less credibility with me.

Antifa activist facing assault charges was tied to Democratic policymakers

I'd rather wait and see what the police turn up.

 

[Albion]

It is interesting the way that a violent Marxist organization like Antifa can be referred to by a major news service as though it were a run of the mill civic association, even to the point of gratuitously describing it as "an anti-fascist group."

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the NYTimes chooses not to refer to the Ku Klux Klan as an advocacy group protecting women and children, regardless of what the Klan says about it.

 

[SummerMadness]

It must be hard, but resorting to ad hominem to ignore a white supremacist is interesting, especially when the police officer in question is part of a hate group.

 

[Albion]

No one ignored a white supremacist or made an ad hominem argument, but you may have ignored the point of that post. It was about the NYTimes treatment of Antifa.

 

[SummerMadness]

No one ignored a white supremacist or made an ad hominem argument, but you may have ignored the point of that post. It was about the NYTimes treatment of Antifa.

This has nothing to do with the New York Times, it is nothing more than a distraction to ignore a white supremacist and complain about the reporting of this fact.

Robert Stamm, sergeant policing Northam protests, suspended after antifa group alleges Nazi links
Va. Capitol Police sergeant placed on leave after antifa group posts allegation about him

 

[Albion]

This has nothing to do with the New York Times....

Did your original post not begin with a link to the story as reported by the New York Times? Yes, I am sure that it did.

Virginia Police Sergeant Suspended After Antifa Group Identifies White Nationalist Ties

 

[SummerMadness]

Did your original post not begin with a link to the story as reported by the New York Times? Yes, I am sure that it did.

The New York Times is not the subject of the thread, they are a newspaper who reported a story, just like other newspapers (e.g., Washington Times and Richmond Times-Dispatch). The fact that you wish to focus on the linked newspaper shows you simply wish to derail the discussion. It is quite evident that white supremacy, the subject of this thread, is being ignored when all your posts are complaints about the newspaper and antifa.

 

[Ringo84]

"B-b-b-b-b-b-but antifa!"

Good riddance to white nationalists everywhere. I hope they're all found and lose their jobs.
Ringo

 

[eleos1954]

Not sure if I trust Antifa to investigate these things. Ever since it was revealed their DC leader who was arrested for assaulting those two Marines had political connections to the Democratic Party...their claims hold less credibility with me.

Antifa activist facing assault charges was tied to Democratic policymakers

I'd rather wait and see what the police turn up.

AMEN ... yes let's wait for facts that prove or disprove PLEASE ... thank you ;o)

 

[SummerMadness]

AMEN ... yes let's wait for facts that prove or disprove PLEASE ... thank you ;o)

Police officer posing with white supremacist tattoos online, we see the evidence. Unless the officer was living undercover, which judging by his suspension is not the case.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Police officer posing with white supremacist tattoos online, we see the evidence. Unless the officer was living undercover, which judging by his suspension is not the case.

Your article has an expert explaining that those tattoos have legitimate cultural meanings that precede any appropriation by white supremacists.

I'm sure you appreciate the historical significance of symbols.

 

[eleos1954]

Police officer posing with white supremacist tattoos online, we see the evidence. Unless the officer was living undercover, which judging by his suspension is not the case.

Oh so if someone has tattoos they are evidence of guilt? Guilt of what? I'm not saying one way or another ... but just having tattoos within itself don't prove anything other than they have tattoos. Unless the police department has something in their ethic codes or employment rules/standards regarding specific Tattoos. Could be they do. One would think so. If not, then they should put something in place. hmmmm ... I dunno ... could that be discriminatory?

Some very tattooed people in prison and change their lives and still have tattoos (and very offensive ones at that), do we hold that against them for the rest of their lives?

Sticky wickett.

 

[SummerMadness]

Oh so if someone has tattoos they are evidence of guilt? Guilt of what? I'm not saying one way or another ... but just having tattoos within itself don't prove anything other than they have tattoos. Unless the police department has something in their ethic codes or employment rules/standards regarding specific Tattoos. Could be they do. One would think so. If not, then they should put something in place. hmmmm ... I dunno ... could that be discriminatory?

Some very tattooed people in prison and change their lives and still have tattoos (and very offensive ones at that), do we hold that against them for the rest of their lives?

Sticky wickett.

The people that turn their lives around usually have their tattoos removed and this is not just about tattoos, it is the variety white supremacist flags he poses in front of, the Nazi and Confederate literature he loves and the other racist behavior he displays online. When it comes to civil service, racism should be a disqualifying factor (even if you attempt to wrap your racism up under the guise of "culture").

 

[eleos1954]

The people that turn their lives around usually have their tattoos removed and this is not just about tattoos, it is the variety white supremacist flags he poses in front of, the Nazi and Confederate literature he loves and the other racist behavior he displays online. When it comes to civil service, racism should be a disqualifying factor (even if you attempt to wrap your racism up under the guise of "culture").

well like I said ... it is very likely there is something in their ethic code(s) or policy codes that will justify his dismissal. We'll see how it plays out. I'm just saying .... wait for it to play out. When did they know of this affiliation? etc. Perhaps they need to scrutinize their own more often and/or strengthen their employment policies ... don't know all the details yet.

Racism is unacceptable civil service or otherwise.

 

[rambot]

Did your original post not begin with a link to the story as reported by the New York Times? Yes, I am sure that it did.

Interesting. So the most important part about a news story is no longer the story but the paper in which it can be read.

Whoa.

That does not sound reasonable to me.

 

[KCfromNC]

Interesting. So the most important part about a news story is no longer the story but the paper in which it can be read.

Whoa.

That does not sound reasonable to me.

It's so reasonable there's a label to identify it when people try to use it to derail conversations : Your logical fallacy is genetic

 

[variant]

Your article has an expert explaining that those tattoos have legitimate cultural meanings that precede any appropriation by white supremacists.

I'm sure you appreciate the historical significance of symbols.

Which is why they used multiple lines of evidence.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Which is why they used multiple lines of evidence.

I'm sorry...maybe you didn't understand my point. We're talking about a group that is fine with using violence to push their narrative. They try to attack reporters to control their narrative.

It's not really a valid source of information...on anything. As their assaults against those 2 marines show...as well as many other incidents...they appear to be willing to do whatever they can to achieve their goals.

Maybe they genuinely think this guy is a nazi...maybe not. It's possible the evidence is genuine...or like Smollett, completely fabricated. The bottom line is, I wouldn't trust them to investigate the background of a Where's Waldo book. Yeah, I just made that up...and I think it was pretty good.

The only thing that gives me any cause for believing this is they think they have something that would convince the police themselves, and they turned it over to them. I'd rather see what the police make of it.

 

[variant]

I'm sorry...maybe you didn't understand my point. We're talking about a group that is fine with using violence to push their narrative. They try to attack reporters to control their narrative.

It's not really a valid source of information...on anything. As their assaults against those 2 marines show...as well as many other incidents...they appear to be willing to do whatever they can to achieve their goals.

Maybe they genuinely think this guy is a nazi...maybe not. It's possible the evidence is genuine...or like Smollett, completely fabricated. The bottom line is, I wouldn't trust them to investigate the background of a Where's Waldo book. Yeah, I just made that up...and I think it was pretty good.

The only thing that gives me any cause for believing this is they think they have something that would convince the police themselves, and they turned it over to them. I'd rather see what the police make of it.

If the information is valid it doesn't matter who brought it up first..

I'm guessing the police department checked it out, or is checking it out while they suspend him.

I doubt antifa has the power to produce literal tatoos on a guy and tie him to hate groups online.

Are you suggesting that they shouldn't have taken the step to suspend someone where there is probable cause to believe they are a white nationalist and have ties to hate groups?