Virginia braces for gun-rights rally as worries over violence, hate groups and militias grow

[civilwarbuff]

Virginia braces for gun-rights rally as worries over violence, hate groups and militias grow

RICHMOND, Va. -- Threats of violence, including claims of a militia storming Virginia's Capitol and protesters weaponizing drones, have put federal and state authorities on high alert ahead of Monday's gun-rights rally.

Thousands of people across the country are expected to show up as part of a demonstration demanding state Democrats drop a push for comprehensive gun control in the commonwealth.

The fear of violence has spread quickly and has led to heightened security, road closures and a ban on firearms in the Capitol and on its grounds. An event memorializing victims of gun violence, including one honoring the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., was canceled due to safety concerns. The Federal Aviation Administration has banned drones within a 2-mile radius of the Capitol and nearby students at VCU and the Medical College of Virginia have been encouraged to stay indoors.

Virginia Citizens Defense League President Philip Van Cleave told Fox News it's not the pro-gun groups that are stoking fear.

"It's the Democrats," he said. "It's almost like they want something to happen. It sounds crazy, but they keep doing it and you have to start wondering if that's intentional."

Cleave said membership in his organization has tripled in the past six weeks and that 10,000 people have signed up for free email alerts. He attributes the spike in popularity to Gov. Ralph Northam and Democrats in the state legislature. Van Cleave believes they have "declared war on gun owners" and is counting on gun-rights advocates to show up Monday to have their collective voices heard.

Agreed. Sounds as if Northam and the democrats are simply trying to stoke the fires....

 

[Speedwell]

Agreed. Sounds as if Northam and the democrats are simply trying to stoke the fires....

Or as if they are actually afraid.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Or as if they are actually afraid.

Yeah, they are afraid of the electorate....

 

[Speedwell]

Yeah, they are afraid of the electorate....

Certainly they are afraid of armed right-wing activists.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Certainly they are afraid of armed right-wing activists.

OOOOOOOKAY.....Talk about conspiracy theories.....

 

[iluvatar5150]

Virginia braces for gun-rights rally as worries over violence, hate groups and militias grow

RICHMOND, Va. -- Threats of violence, including claims of a militia storming Virginia's Capitol and protesters weaponizing drones, have put federal and state authorities on high alert ahead of Monday's gun-rights rally.

Thousands of people across the country are expected to show up as part of a demonstration demanding state Democrats drop a push for comprehensive gun control in the commonwealth.

The fear of violence has spread quickly and has led to heightened security, road closures and a ban on firearms in the Capitol and on its grounds. An event memorializing victims of gun violence, including one honoring the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., was canceled due to safety concerns. The Federal Aviation Administration has banned drones within a 2-mile radius of the Capitol and nearby students at VCU and the Medical College of Virginia have been encouraged to stay indoors.

Virginia Citizens Defense League President Philip Van Cleave told Fox News it's not the pro-gun groups that are stoking fear.

"It's the Democrats," he said. "It's almost like they want something to happen. It sounds crazy, but they keep doing it and you have to start wondering if that's intentional."

Cleave said membership in his organization has tripled in the past six weeks and that 10,000 people have signed up for free email alerts. He attributes the spike in popularity to Gov. Ralph Northam and Democrats in the state legislature. Van Cleave believes they have "declared war on gun owners" and is counting on gun-rights advocates to show up Monday to have their collective voices heard.

Agreed. Sounds as if Northam and the democrats are simply trying to stoke the fires....

Wow, way to gaslight. Wackadoos on the 2A side use a bunch of heated rhetoric and threaten violence and it’s Dems who are stoking fear.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Certainly they are afraid of armed right-wing activists.

OOOOOOOKAY.....Talk about conspiracy theories.....

 

[civilwarbuff]

Wow, way to gaslight. Wackadoos on the 2A side use a bunch of heated rhetoric and threaten violence and it’s Dems who are stoking fear.

See #5

 

[iluvatar5150]

See #5

Have you forgotten Charlottesville (or OKC or the Bundys) so quickly or are you just handwaving this away because you don’t want to consider the possibility that nuts on your side are willing and capable of doing something again? They’ve already arrested a few people for planning stuff there.

 

[Speedwell]

See #5

There's no "conspiracy. Everything is right out in the open. Armed, angry right-wing extremists are at least potentially dangerous. They're not hiding, they're not pretending to be something else to fool us into thinking they're not dangerous.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Have you forgotten Charlottesville (or OKC or the Bundys) so quickly or are you just handwaving this away because you don’t want to consider the possibility that nuts on your side are willing and capable of doing something again?

My side?....which side is that?.....the law abiding side? Or if you have something I have said contrary to that please post it here.....otherwise maybe try putting a cork in that kinda talk?

 

[civilwarbuff]

There's no "conspiracy. Everything is right out in the open. Armed, angry right-wing extremists are at least potentially dangerous. They're not hiding, they're not pretending to be something else to fool us into thinking they're not dangerous.

This kinda reminds me of when the British headed to Concord to confiscate gunpowder and arms stored there....some people just don't learn from history....

 

[iluvatar5150]

My side?....which side is that?.....the law abiding side? Or if you have something I have said contrary to that please post it here.....otherwise maybe try putting a cork in that kinda talk?

Yes, your side. Your OP accused Democrats of fearmongering and you accused themnof promoting conspiracy theories. Threatening violence is not “law abiding”, nor is violating ordinances against bringing weapons to this protest.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Your OP accused Democrats of fearmongering and you accused themnof promoting conspiracy theories.

Has anything happened?....then it is just a theory.

Threatening violence is not “law abiding”, nor is violating ordinances against bringing weapons to this protest.

Who has threantened violence?....Northam wouldn't say. What ordinance?.....the decree from Northam is not an ordinance.

 

[Speedwell]

This kinda reminds me of when the British headed to Concord to confiscate gunpowder and arms stored there....some people just don't learn from history....

And the British ran into danger, did they not?

 

[civilwarbuff]

And the British ran into danger, did they not?

Exactly what Northam & Co are going to run into....danger of losing their democrat party grip on power....

 

[Speedwell]

Has anything happened?....then it is just a theory.

Who has threantened violence?....Northam wouldn't say. What ordinance?.....the decree from Northam is not an ordinance.

So here you have a group of people who claim the right to own guns in order to offer armed resistance to government tyranny. The very existence of such a group is based on a implicit threat of violence. Now they are going to appear in Richmond to protest what they are calling tyranny and many of them have said they will showed up armed despite the Governor's attempt to forbid it. Armed, angry right-wing extremists. Nothing at all to be apprehensive about.

 

[civilwarbuff]

So here you have a group of people who claim the right to own guns in order to offer armed resistance to government tyranny.

Yep

The very existence of such a group is based on a implicit threat of violence.

Nope

Now they are going to appear in Richmond to protest what they are calling tyranny and many of them have said they will showed up armed despite the Governor's attempt to forbid it.

Since he does not have the right to suspend the 2nd amdnedment....and?

Armed, angry right-wing extremists. Nothing at all to be apprehensive about.

What law are they violating? Do they not have the right to be armed?....Do they not have the right to be angry whith a governor who wants to take their rights?.....
I don't understand your problem.....now if someone violates the law....different matter altogether. Until then let them protest...isn't that how the system is supposed to work?

 

[Speedwell]

Yep

Nope

Yep. These gun owners desire to forestall tyranny by retaining the potential to resist it with armed violence.

Since he does not have the right to suspend the 2nd amdnedment....and?

What law are they violating? Do they not have the right to be armed?....Do they not have the right to be angry whith a governor who wants to take their rights?.....
I don't understand your problem.....now if someone violates the law....different matter altogether. Until then let them protest...isn't that how the system is supposed to work?

Why should they have to be violating a law? You've got a bunch of armed, angry men who think they are being done wrong. Sure, maybe they haven't broken any law, but your argument is that they can't possibly be considered potentially dangerous. It's nonsense.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Yep. These gun owners desire to forestall tyranny by retaining the potential to resist it with armed violence.

Well, I can't talk to what 'these gun owners' think but yes, that is why the 2nd amendment exists...to resist a tyrannical government.

Why should they have to be violating a law?

Really?....that's a real question you are asking? So you don't mind being arrested for .....just because?

Sure, maybe they haven't broken any law, but your argument is that they can't possibly be considered potentially dangerous.

Every time I drive I am doing something potentially dangerous....you can't shut down people's rights simply because you think it is 'potentially dangerous'. That is not why this government was established...