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Featured State Department suspends energy staffer linked to white supremacist group

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by tulc, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. tulc

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    State Department suspends energy staffer linked to white supremacist group
    tulc(is going to need more coffee soon) :coffee:
     
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    Freedom of Association and Assembly

    Freedom of Association and Assembly
    The right to associate with others for the purpose of engaging in constitutionally protected activities.

    The right to associate is not an independent constitutional right but is derived from and dependent on the First Amendment guarantees of Freedom of Speech and expression. It is protected only to the extent that it is asserted in conjunction with a First Amendment right. However, some legal scholars maintain that freedom of association is more fundamental than the rights enumerated in the Constitution because without it those other rights have little meaning.

    One early case to recognize freedom of association was NAACP v. Alabama ex rel. Patterson, 357 U.S. 449, 78 S. Ct. 1163, 2 L. Ed. 2d 1488 (1958). In Patterson, the Supreme Court held that a lower court's order compelling the NAACP to disclose records containing the names and addresses of its Alabama members violated the group's right to associate freely. The Court recognized freedom of association as an adjunct to the NAACP's free speech rights and held that the freedom to associate for the advancement of beliefs and ideas is inseparable from the freedom of speech.
    Freedom of Association and Assembly

    If someone's right to freely associate with groups can be taken away....remember, so then can yours.

     
  3. Petunia

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    Has nothing to do with the right to 'associate'. The man was calling for a war against 'non-whites with the use of nukes.
     
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  4. Willie T

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    I thought they said he was fired simply for the "association" with a group, not for threats.
     
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  5. civilwarbuff

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    Took the words right out of my mouth.....
     
  6. civilwarbuff

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    There is this other little thing called 'freedom of speech'.....maybe you have heard of it? I fully support the right of the KKK to say anything, well almost anything as there are some limits, but that does not mean I agree with them. Only that they also have the right to free speech, assembly, and association as dose everyone else. Unless you are OK with the gov picking and choosing which rights they will allow?....and at that point they are no longer 'rights' just permissions.
     
  7. Petunia

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    I'm not sure he was fired. The article says he was suspended. According to the article.. they would have ordinarily 'flagged' him with security screenings every five years. That he would have been screened every 5 years is proof that his suspension had nothing to do with his "simply being associated with hate groups."

     
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    Now that I've reread this article. Could be that the State department wouldn't have hired this guy in the first place, had they known he was associated with hate groups. I'm pretty sure they're not in the habit of hiring known terrorists. But this guy slipped through their security screenings.
     
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  9. Petunia

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    You are right. Freedom of speech has limits. And threatening to kill people.. is one of those limits that isn't protected under free speech.
     
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  10. Hank77

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    Who was trying to take away Gelbert's freedom of association?
    It seems to me that someone is trying to take away the employer's right to freedom of association.
    There isn't any employment law that protects the speech/association of the employee.
     
  11. cow451

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    He is free to do what he does. He is not free of the logical consequences of his actions. He isn’t being jailed.
     
  12. civilwarbuff

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    There is a big difference in saying you want to strangle your boss vs taking steps to do so.....
     
  13. cow451

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    Words have power.
     
  14. civilwarbuff

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    So are you advocating not hiring people based on their associations? What if the gov decides that Christianity is a hate group because of their stance on same sex marriage or homosexuality?....is that OK then to deny someone employment? As I stated elswhere if they can take someone else's rights away they then can also take yours.
     
  15. cow451

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    Christianity is not a group.
     
  16. civilwarbuff

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    We are not talking about just any employer here....this is the US government......
     
  17. civilwarbuff

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    If he broke no law he should not even be detained......
     
  18. civilwarbuff

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    My understanding is he made no direct threat to anyone.
     
  19. civilwarbuff

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    It's not? Then what the heck is it?....a gaggle?
     
  20. cow451

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    You mean the employer charged with the security of all it’s citizens and legal residents and visitors?
     
  21. cow451

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    “Terroristic threats” (threatening harm to others) are illegal.

    The acts, as with this gentleman, don’t have to be illegal for an employer to deem them a threat to the mission of the organization. Advocating taking away civil rights is nearly always going to cause a government employee to be in hot water.
     
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