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[OldWiseGuy]

Does the link say that that's the case ACROSS THE WHOLE OF AFRICA?

The article makes my point. I think similarities in such attitudes and practices can be found all over Africa and India. The practice is also common in many other countries.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The article makes my point. I think similarities in such attitudes and practices can be found all over Africa and India. The practice is also common in many other countries.

No, it doesn't make your point, since it doesn't say whether that view is held all across Africa or only in select parts, which TOTALLY changes your claims about the whole problem being spiritual or cultural.
And also, it doesn't work for India since India ISN'T Africa.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, it doesn't make your point, since it doesn't say whether that view is held all across Africa or only in select parts, which TOTALLY changes your claims about the whole problem being spiritual or cultural.
And also, it doesn't work for India since India ISN'T Africa.

I didn't say the "whole" problem was spiritual or cultural, but that it is the major element. We're dealing with a way of thinking, influenced more by culture and religion than by economics.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I didn't say the "whole" problem was spiritual or cultural, but that it is the major element. We're dealing with a way of thinking, influenced more by culture and religion than by economics.

No, you've been saying and only been saying that the whole problem is spiritual and religious. That's ALL you have been saying.

 

[bhsmte]

No, you've been saying and only been saying that the whole problem is spiritual and religious. That's ALL you have been saying.

He is typically all over the place with his comments.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, you've been saying and only been saying that the whole problem is spiritual and religious. That's ALL you have been saying.

I was focusing on that aspect, yes, but not to the total exclusion of economics, which is the lesser of the three dynamics. The world stands ready to supply the economic resources if the cultural and spiritual problems can be solved. Otherwise we're building latrines that are used as storage sheds.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I was focusing on that aspect, yes, but not to the total exclusion of economics, which is the lesser of the three dynamics. The world stands ready to supply the economic resources if the cultural and spiritual problems can be solved. Otherwise we're building latrines that are used as storage sheds.

What do you mean 'solving their cultural and spiritual problems'? Now, I bet to you, that sounds incredibly innocuous, but to me, that sounds suspiciously and incredibly like the same talk used by the slave traders and colonists who sought to replace the original native African beliefs with Christianity, JUST BECAUSE they didn't worship Christ.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

God laws go farther than similar laws of man, and are revealed by the Spirit.

Then we probably should hear from this God and/or Spirit about these laws - You go get them while I'll wait.

Do homosexual animals consummate sodomy?

Animals don't consummate anything - unless you're including us in that. If so, then the answer is Yes.

Just the opposite. Read it again.

Oh, so you don't mind homosexuals getting married then? That's Great! Thank you again for being the progressive example humanity needs more of!

Faith is the evidence.

so there's evidence of Allah and his last prophet Mohammed? Evidence too of Hindu Gods? Evidence for the Mormons and Scientologists too? Every religion has evidence then because they too have come to their positions on "Faith". Now I'm even more confused - if "Faith" is your evidence, then the term becomes meaningless because I can have Faith that your religion and God are False, so I too have as much compelling "evidence" in support of my position according to your criteria.

What position couldn't you come to on "Faith"? I'm sorry, you'll have to do much better than that.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Then we probably should hear from this God and/or Spirit about these laws - You go get them while I'll wait.

The Spirit doesn't speak to unbelievers. Sorry.

Animals don't consummate anything.

Then they aren't really 'homosexual' are they.

Oh, so you don't mind homosexuals getting married then? That's Great! Thank you again for being the progressive example humanity needs more of!

You're welcome.

so there's evidence of Allah and his last prophet Mohammed? Evidence too of Hindu Gods? Evidence for the Mormons and Scientologists too? Every religion has evidence then because they too have come to their positions on "Faith". Now I'm even more confused because if "Faith" is your evidence, then the term becomes meaningless because I can have Faith that your religion and God are False, now I too have as much compelling "evidence" in support of my position according to your criteria.

What position couldn't you come to on "Faith"? I'm sorry, you'll have to do much better than that.

Best I can do.

Hebrews 11
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

The Spirit doesn't speak to unbelievers. Sorry.

No need, nothing you could do about it if I'm not that important to your God...

Then they aren't really 'homosexual' are they.

or heterosexual either by this standard.

Best I can do.

Hebrews 11
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

I figured, but surely God wouldn't have written that if faith is used by every religion to support their respective positions? Wouldn't the Almighty Creator of the universe have some better way for us to come about the truth of his existence than the worst possible way?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What do you mean 'solving their cultural and spiritual problems'? Now, I bet to you, that sounds incredibly innocuous, but to me, that sounds suspiciously and incredibly like the same talk used by the slave traders and colonists who sought to replace the original native African beliefs with Christianity, JUST BECAUSE they didn't worship Christ.

I said the cultural and spiritual problems that prevent them from using latrines. They can keep the rest of it, just poop in the latrine. Africans have some wonderful social customs, but pooping on the ground isn't one of them.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

I said the cultural and spiritual problems that prevent them from using latrines. They can keep the rest of it, just poop in the latrine. Africans have some wonderful social customs, but pooping on the ground isn't one of them.

Them and American Deer Hunters... surely there's no cultural and spiritual problems that prevent them from using latrines?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

or heterosexual either by this standard

Animals have normal sex i.e. male/female, therefore they are 'heterosexual'. Homosexuality is determined by actual sex acts between people of the same gender.

 

[pitabread]

Animals have normal sex i.e. male/female, therefore they are 'heterosexual'

There are numerous documented examples of homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom.

Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia
List of birds displaying homosexual behavior - Wikipedia

Homosexuality is determined by actual sex acts between people of the same gender.

It's more complicated than that as it encompasses underlying attraction and associated behaviors and feelings. There is more to sexuality than just sex acts.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Animals have normal sex i.e. male/female, therefore they are 'heterosexual'. Homosexuality is determined by actual sex acts between people of the same gender.

Animals also have normal sex i.e. male/male and female/female, therefore they are also capable of being "homosexual" too. Homosexuality is determined by actual sex acts between animals of the same gender too, it isn't just people.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No need, nothing you could do about it if I'm not that important to your God...

or heterosexual either by this standard.

I figured, but surely God wouldn't have written that if faith is used by every religion to support their respective positions? Wouldn't the Almighty Creator of the universe have some better way for us to come about the truth of his existence than the worst possible way?

Faith is likely involved in most of the worlds religions. Christianity is God speaking to the west, mainly to Israel (not the Jews of the State of Israel). I'm not aware of how other 'gods' speak to their peoples, but they should speak to the Africans and tell them to use the latrines.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

I'm not aware of how other 'gods' speak to their peoples, but they should speak to the Africans and tell them to use the latrines.

...along with American Deer Hunters...

 

[OldWiseGuy]

There are numerous documented examples of homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom.

Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia
List of birds displaying homosexual behavior - Wikipedia



It's more complicated than that as it encompasses underlying attraction and associated behaviors and feelings. There is more to sexuality than just sex acts.

I will concede that there is physical homosexual behavior among animals, but not (yet) homosexuality, as it applies to human homosexuality.

 

[pitabread]

I will concede that there is physical homosexual behavior among animals, but not (yet) homosexuality, as it applies to human homosexuality.

There is when you look at examples of homosexual pair bonding in animals, particularly birds.

 

[tas8831]

I have a very good real life reputation. It's only among atheists and liberals on these boards that I don't.

Life in the bubble.

I take it that you never discuss things like anatomy in 'real life', or maybe you do so at church where you know there is a very good chance that everyone else will be even less informed that you are?