Verifiable, Orderly, & Timely Election Results (VOTER) Act

[RocksInMyHead]

Because our friend was calling it all some sort of conspiracy and would definitely invalidate his vote, which has already been cast. This despite the fact that no one else can figure why any of that would be so.

It's really not that hard. There are two means by which his already-cast vote could be invalidated by this bill.

1. By state law, Illinois does not begin counting ballots until after election day. By the wording of this bill, that means that they would have 24 hours total to tally all mail-in ballots. Anything remaining would be invalidated. If his ballot were at the bottom of the pile, it's conceivable that it might not be reached before the 24 hour deadline, and would therefore be tossed out.

2. This bill also requires all ballots to be signed. Illinois does not require you to sign the ballot. Rather, you sign an envelope that the ballot is placed in. Since his ballot is already submitted, if the law were to pass as written, it would be invalid because the ballot itself is not signed - because it was not supposed to be.

 

[Speedwell]

Because our friend was calling it all some sort of conspiracy and would definitely invalidate his vote, which has already been cast. This despite the fact that no one else can figure why any of that would be so.

Read the bill.

 

[LostMarbels]

You trust that other people are as honest and forthright as you, yourself are.

No. Not this election. Not concerning Trump. Not at all.

 

[SimplyMe]

You don't see any invitation for fraud concerning unsigned ballets? Just put in a stack of other unsigned ballots not in their signed envelopes... viola!

Then how do you keep people from cheating?

When, in your life, have you ever signed a ballot? I mean, if they can stick a bunch of fraudulent "unsigned" mail in ballots with the legitimate ones, what is to stop them from adding a bunch of fraudulent "unsigned" ballots that were done in person? Your objection doesn't really make any sense. Particularly since I never signed any of the absentee ballots I sent in back in the 70s, or since -- it isn't as if this is some "sudden" change.

But more to your point, the envelopes are first verified to be from a legitimate voter, with the signature verified, in front of witnesses (with multiple people confirming that the ballot is legitimate, typically with representatives of both major political parties observing). It is then placed with the stack of valid ballots to be counted. It is no easier for those running the election to add a stack of fraudulent ballots to the valid mail in ballots than to add a stack of fraudulent ballots (or votes, if done electronically) to the in-person ballots.

In fact, in analysis done of computerized voting machines, it has found that is likely the easiest way to add fraudulent votes into the system -- that most of the machines have poor safeguards against adding fraudulent votes.

 

[Sparagmos]

Because our friend was calling it all some sort of conspiracy and would definitely invalidate his vote, which has already been cast. This despite the fact that no one else can figure why any of that would be so.

If all of the ballots can’t be counted because of the proposed deadline, then yes, his vote could be invalidated. Again, the requirement is regarding the counters, not the voters. Just because I mail my ballot on time doesn’t mean it will get counted on time.

 

[wing2000]

Is that the code the ends in either an R or a D to correspond with party affiliation?

15 digits, no letters.

 

[Belk]

But I have, and that is what people do not understand. It is as if I should sit down and be silent because others do not agree with me. I do not view it that way. Those others... are actually going to have to win. I'm not just going to go silently into the night.

Rage, rage against the dying of the light! (famous poem your last line reminded me of)

Having debated you before I would offer the observation that it is not that they think you should be silent but that they do not see your evidence. As such they believe you to be mistaken much like you believe them to be. They are trying to convince you of why they find you to be so. Some of us are more enthusiastic then others.

 

[Hank77]

Our system could work this way if our country made voting technology a priority. Almost any other important transaction we do today, including a home mortgage, can be done virtually. Yet somehow, we are still stuck in 1980's America when it comes to voting.

I would never ever be for voting online or on voting machine connected to the internet there is just too much chance of those systems being hacked.

 

[LostMarbels]

Ok, well bbl. I'm getting some sleep before I watch our President debate the Harris admin with Biden's help.

 

[Speedwell]

I would never ever be for voting online or on voting machine connected to the internet there is just too much chance of those systems being hacked.

Retrievable, recountable paper ballots are the way. I don't care if the networks don't get to announce a winner on election night.

 

[Pommer]

No. Not this election. Not concerning Trump. Not at all.

Principles are those ideals we hold ourselves to even when holding to them does not achieve our desired outcome.

 

[wing2000]

I would never ever be for voting online or on voting machine connected to the internet there is just too much chance of those systems being hacked.

Fair enough....I think a hybrid would work but that's for another discussion. It's too bad the Federal government didn't step up sooner to help states like PA & FL automate the processing of mail in ballots.

 

[iluvatar5150]

This is an election... not a jack-in-the-box. You don't just turn a crank an out pops an entire new system a month before a hotly contested election. How much more obvious can it be?

That's why House Democrats tried to establish measures to strengthen mail-in voting procedures in their first covid relief bill all the way back in March. But folks on your side called it a bunch of wasteful, irrelevant pork:
Pelosi's So-Called Coronavirus Bill Filled With Pork, Over-Reaching Government
.....And the House weighs in

 

[Hank77]

You don't see any invitation for fraud concerning unsigned ballets? Just put in a stack of other unsigned ballots not in their signed envelopes... voila!

No state has the voter sign their actual ballot, if they did their vote would not be secret. The voter signs the envelope that the ballot is in.

 

[Hank77]

Fair enough....I think a hybrid would work but that's for another discussion. It's too bad the Federal government didn't step up sooner to help states like PA & FL automate the processing of mail in ballots.

Pres. Trump has said that mail-in voting in FL is safe.

Trump Now Says Mail-In Voting Is ‘Safe And Secure’ – But Only In Florida
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ently-no-other-state-can-vote-by-mail-safely/

 

[Sparagmos]

I do not understand how people would think an unsigned ballot even makes sense.

Is that so? Tell us, how many states require signed ballots?

 

[whatbogsends]

I don't know many on the right that even believe masks are effective, so yeah...

I disagree with you. That is not bearing false whiteness. I understand some may view independently critical thought as sin, but I still view it as just an opinion.

Your misrepresentations of what people tell you repeatedly about masks appear quite deliberate.

 

[Sparagmos]

You don't see any invitation for fraud concerning unsigned ballets? Just put in a stack of other unsigned ballots not in their signed envelopes... voila!

Are you outing yourself as a non-voter?

 

[Sparagmos]

You don't see any invitation for fraud concerning unsigned ballets? Just put in a stack of other unsigned ballots not in their signed envelopes... voila!

Where does one get a “stack of other unsigned ballots” and how would they get counted without an envelope?

 

[whatbogsends]

Sealed is not the issue, but he did specifically say that he did not sign it. And if you mean that "it" was something else, his earlier posts would make no sense.

You've now had it explained to you twice. It's pretty clear that he signed the envelope, not the ballot.

The only thing that makes no sense is your replies to his post.