VeriChip

[watchm@n]

What verse is that in?

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

A few things. One, most modern translations Renee it "on" not "in". Which means that there are a few Greek scholars, working with better transcripts, who believe the KJV to be translated incorrectly.

Two, even if the KJV is right, it would be wrong to assume it can only be an implantable chip. Dis you know that I can hold my Social Security Card in my hand, and know the number in my head?

Three, what makes you so sure that this is literal and not symbolic?

The Greekmeister has arrived Sounds more like a tatoo or brand........

Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

Reve 14:9 And another messenger, third, follows to them saying in voice great "if any *is worshipping the beast* and the image of it and is getting mark upon the forehead of him or upon the hand of him"

Greek New Testament - Parallel Greek New Testament by John Hurt

Revelation 14:9 kai alloV aggeloV tritoV hkolouqhsen autoiV legwn en fwnh megalh ei tiV proskunei to qhrion kai thn eikona autou kai lambanei caragma epi tou metwpou autou h epi thn ceira autou

Strong's Number G1909 matches the Greek ἐπί (epi), which occurs 897 times in 790 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

1909. epi ep-ee' a primary preposition; properly, meaning superimposition (of time, place, order, etc.), as a relation of distribution (with the genitive case), i.e. over, upon, etc.; of rest (with the dative case) at, on, etc.; of direction (with the accusative case) towards, upon, etc.:--about (the times), above, after, against, among, as long as (touching), at, beside, X have charge of, (be-, (where-))fore, in (a place, as much as, the time of, -to), (because) of, (up-)on (behalf of), over, (by, for) the space of, through(-out), (un-)to(-ward), with. In compounds it retains essentially the same import, at, upon, etc. (literally or figuratively).

 

[Hammster]

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

See post 58.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

See post 58.

Ooops.......I didn't see this verse......let me go check the greek........

Originally Posted by trialbyfire

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Same greek word as is used in 14:9. Never really looked at this closely before......

Revelation 13:16 kai poiei pantaV touV mikrouV kai touV megalouV kai touV plousiouV kai touV ptwcouV kai touV eleuqerouV kai touV doulouV ina dwsh autoiV caragma epi thV ceiroV autwn thV dexiaV h epi twn metwpwn autwn
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[watchm@n]

The Greekmeister has arrived Sounds more like a tatoo or brand........

Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

Reve 14:9 And another messenger, third, follows to them saying in voice great "if any *is worshipping the beast* and the image of it and is getting mark upon the forehead of him or upon the hand of him"

Greek New Testament - Parallel Greek New Testament by John Hurt

Revelation 14:9 kai alloV aggeloV tritoV hkolouqhsen autoiV legwn en fwnh megalh ei tiV proskunei to qhrion kai thn eikona autou kai lambanei caragma epi tou metwpou autou h epi thn ceira autou

Strong's Number G1909 matches the Greek ἐπί (epi), which occurs 897 times in 790 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

1909. epi ep-ee' a primary preposition; properly, meaning superimposition (of time, place, order, etc.), as a relation of distribution (with the genitive case), i.e. over, upon, etc.; of rest (with the dative case) at, on, etc.; of direction (with the accusative case) towards, upon, etc.:--about (the times), above, after, against, among, as long as (touching), at, beside, X have charge of, (be-, (where-))fore, in (a place, as much as, the time of, -to), (because) of, (up-)on (behalf of), over, (by, for) the space of, through(-out), (un-)to(-ward), with. In compounds it retains essentially the same import, at, upon, etc. (literally or figuratively).

It says they receive the mark IN their hands.

 

[watchm@n]

The Greekmeister has arrived Sounds more like a tatoo or brand........

It says they receive the mark IN their hands

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It says they receive the mark IN their hands

WRONG!!!!!
Rotherham has it right ehehe

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Rotherham) Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all--the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond,--that they should give unto them a mark, upon their right hand or upon their forehead;

Oh, lookie here! So does YoungLT

Young) Revelation 13:16 And it maketh all, the small, and the great, and the rich, and the poor, and the freemen, and the servants, that it may give to them a mark upon their right hand or upon their foreheads,

 

[contrabar]

It says they receive the mark IN their hands

"epi" does not mean "in"...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So if it is "upon" instead of "in" in those Revelation verses, what is the significance of that?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Sure turned quite in here all of a sudden

 

[Hammster]

Maybe I should make another mark joke.

 

[contrabar]

So if it is "upon" instead of "in" in those Revelation verses, what is the significance of that?

it changes how we look at the mark... many people think of it as being in the body, as in a way of thinking, or our actions, but that's not what epi implies

 

[get it right]

Or, it could be that you are completely wrong about the chip and get your eschatology from the newspaper.

Why the intimidation.
Is there some reason why you think I'm not a bible studier.
And I do see from the newspaper what is going on in the world, an important thing for eschatology - seeing things from the bible come to life in our time.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why the intimidation.
Is there some reason why you think I'm not a bible studier.
And I do see from the newspaper what is going on in the world, an important thing for eschatology - seeing things from the bible come to life in our time.

Do you use different Bible versions and perhaps study the Greek/Hebrew a little? Do you read Endtime books? How do you study is what I am asking........Just curious

 

[FaithGuyX]

it seems that a lot of brothers and sisters get their end times scenerios by reading into scripture real world/modern day things. IMHO that's just erroneous. John wasn't writing for us in the 21st century.

 

[trialbyfire]

A few things. One, most modern translations Renee it "on" not "in". Which means that there are a few Greek scholars, working with better transcripts, who believe the KJV to be translated incorrectly.

Two, even if the KJV is right, it would be wrong to assume it can only be an implantable chip. Dis you know that I can hold my Social Security Card in my hand, and know the number in my head?

Three, what makes you so sure that this is literal and not symbolic?

It is definitely not symbolic because you can't buy or sell with a mark that is symbolic nor can you get a "grievous sore" if it is symbolic. (Rev 16)

It has to be something that is permanent, IN the right hand or forehead, so that you cannot buy or sell unless you have it, and causes sores if you have it. It also has to represent your permanent choice.

Keep in mind that the devil will be on the earth at that time and has to use human technology to keep track of people.

The fact that things like the Verichip exist which can be scanned, store data and track people is no coincidence. I read that it is classified as a Class II Medical Device which I believe is something that was mentioned in the health care bill.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

it seems that a lot of brothers and sisters get their end times scenerios by reading into scripture real world/modern day things. IMHO that's just erroneous. John wasn't writing for us in the 21st century.

Yepperz
I found this drawing on a site awhile back concerning "helicopters". There are actually some Christians that believe this is what John was symbolizing

Revelation 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 10 They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power [was] to hurt men five months.

 

[FaithGuyX]

Great pic!

I once heard Jimmy DeYoung(the Prophecy Today guy) tell on the John Ankerberg show that the locusts were going to be an alien invasion! How absurd is that!?!?!

 

[Hammster]

It is definitely not symbolic because you can't buy or sell with a mark that is symbolic nor can you get a "grievous sore" if it is symbolic. (Rev 16)

It has to be something that is permanent, IN the right hand or forehead, so that you cannot buy or sell unless you have it, and causes sores if you have it. It also has to represent your permanent choice.

Keep in mind that the devil will be on the earth at that time and has to use human technology to keep track of people.

The fact that things like the Verichip exist which can be scanned, store data and track people is no coincidence. I read that it is classified as a Class II Medical Device which I believe is something that was mentioned in the health care bill.

And I guess a third of the stars will actually be wiped out by a dragon's tail, too.

 

[Hammster]

Why the intimidation.
Is there some reason why you think I'm not a bible studier.
And I do see from the newspaper what is going on in the world, an important thing for eschatology - seeing things from the bible come to life in our time.

I am sure that you read the bible. Do you understand Revelation in the same way that first century Christians did. Or do you have the bible in one hand and the newspaper in the other, trying to make sense of it?