VeriChip

[RND]

Does the RCC call you a heretic for open non-adherence to their doctrinal positions? Is that a big enuf segment for you? Do you do any different than they in claiming the mark of the beast upon them for not bowing to your 'day of the week' sabbath construct?

How do these questions answer my question?

Doctrinal bombs of every sort are hurled with condemnations of damnations in various sorts by EVERY SECT.

We were talking about the mark of the beast. Name the denomination that uses that statement "they don't believe like 'us' on this particular matter-so they are heretics, anti-Christs, marked beasts etc etc" to verify their own doctrines. You said every one does. Name them. Give examples. For example if you think the Lutherans do this then name them and what they say.

So no, the practice is typical and not 'unique' to 'punish your group' for it's DIVINE ACCURACY on the matter.

Name the groups and what they say. Simple request.

Ask any Lutheran if salvation is partly of works and you'll quickly uncover their bombs as well.

That well may be. Name the denomination that uses that statement "they don't believe like 'us' on this particular matter-so they are heretics, anti-Christs, marked beasts etc etc" to verify their own doctrines. You said every one does. Name them. Give examples. For example if you think the Lutherans do this then name them and what they say.

Wanna go on? Or do you prefer the self imposed martyr concept to justify your doctrines?

You made a point that you can't prove which has led to questions can't answer.

 

[squint]

How do these questions answer my question?

Directly. When any 'sect' calls another 'sect' sinners (sin is of the DEVIL) they are marking their beliving neighbors with the mark of the DEVIL...

Is that beast enuf for ya?

We were talking about the mark of the beast. Name the denomination that uses that statement "they don't believe like 'us' on this particular matter-so they are heretics, anti-Christs, marked beasts etc etc" to verify their own doctrines.

Sinner, heretic, anti-Christ, mark of the beast...

It's all the same type of condemnation. Take yer pik. And yes, the anathemas still stand as heresy for open knowing disagreement knowing the penalty by the RCC is heresy.

You said every one does. Name them. Give examples. For example if you think the Lutherans do this then name them and what they say.

Just did. You are not alone in attempts to use the 'pariah' or 'persecution' complexs to defend doctrine. That which says 'the other guys are persecuting us, therefore 'our doctrine(s) are proven true.'

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[JoeBradley]

The 'mark of the beast' has been within all mankind since sin entered Adam in the Garden. I wouldn't be banking on any externalities to yield up the truth within.

Mark of the beat is found in the mind of a man.

Revelation tells us that the mark will be forced upon us and those that accept it will feel God's fury. So, you're saying that everyone already has this? Therefore there's no way to avoid God's fury?

Revelation 14:9-11: "A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."

There is no "mark of the Beast"

Revelation 13:16-17: "He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name."

The mark of the beast is the beast's forced day of worship.

Explain.

 

[RND]

Explain.

I left a link to a short study for you.

Mark of the Beast

Here's a short sermon that I pray you'll find helpful: Revelation's Lady in Red - AudioVerse.org

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by RND
The mark of the beast is the beast's forced day of worship.

Explain.

You might find this thread helpful on that and welcome to CF btw!!!

http://www.christianforums.com/t6982465-107/#post44368491
Is Sunday worship the mark of the beast?

 

[RND]

Directly.

How does asking a question answer a question?

When any 'sect' calls another 'sect' sinners (sin is of the DEVIL) they are marking their beliving neighbors with the mark of the DEVIL...

Is that beast enuf for ya?

So then you indite the apostles at the same time? They called lots of folks sinners.

Sinner, heretic, anti-Christ, mark of the beast...

It's all the same type of condemnation. Take yer pik. And yes, the anathemas still stand as heresy for open knowing disagreement knowing the penalty by the RCC is heresy.

And yet you still can't answer my question.

Just did. You are not alone in attempts to use the 'pariah' or 'persecution' complexs to defend doctrine. That which says 'the other guys are persecuting us, therefore 'our doctrine(s) are proven true.'

Not me. I can only speak for what I believe and what the church I belong to teaches. I have no idea what the Lutherans teach or the Methodists or the Catholics regarding the mark of the beast - apparently you do. Name them!

Oh, that's right.....you can't! Fortunately I knew you couldn't. So, let's review:

Every denomination uses that statement (they don't believe like 'us' on this particular matter-so they are heretics, anti-Christs, marked beasts etc etc) to verify their own doctrines.

Really? Which ones?

 

[brinny]

Has anybody heard of this? Could this be The Mark of The Beast?

Here's more information:

VeriChip is the first FDA-approved human-implantable radio-frequency identification microchip. It is marketed by VeriChip Corporation, a subsidiary of Applied Digital Solutions, and it received United States FDA approval in 2004. About twice the length of a grain of rice, the device is typically implanted above the triceps area of an individual's right arm. Once scanned at the proper frequency, the VeriChip responds with a unique 16 digit number which could be then linked with information about the user held on a database for identity verification, medical records access and other uses. The insertion procedure is performed under local anesthetic in a physician's office.

and what is the reasoning, logic, and/or purpose of this chip?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I left a link to a short study for you.

Mark of the Beast

Here's a short sermon that I pray you'll find helpful: Revelation's Lady in Red - AudioVerse.org

That was kewl movie!

edit: OOOPS........too many "inappropriate" scenes in that Youtube video of "The Woman in Red" ehehe

 

[brinny]

May I request this thread be moved to the Eschatology board? Thanks

YouTube - Twilight Zone intro.

ROFLOL!!!!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

ROFLOL!!!!

This post on this chip thread practically had me rolling on the floor

http://www.christianforums.com/t6253398-2/#post43347944
YES or NO: Will you take the chip when they come for you? Will you resist the Mark?

quote: Yes the only way to avoid taking the mark is to live like the Amish or die refusing.

The concentration camps are already built and more are going up in the USA. They call them FEMA camps

 

[pdudgeon]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
May I request this thread be moved to the Eschatology board? Thanks

the Op may request such a move if he desires it.

meanwhile to get back to said post, yes, i've heard of the veri chip.

it's rather amazing the number of uses that have been found for it so far, not even counting the mark of the Beast.

the thing i find interesting in this is the warning concerning the positioning of the mark.
anyone here find a tie-in between the position of the mark of the Beast and the orthodox positioning of the words of God in Deut.6:8 "Tie them to your hands as a reminder, and wear them on your forehead."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

OK thanks........I am now unsubscribing

 

[RND]

anyone here find a tie-in between the position of the mark of the Beast and the orthodox positioning of the words of God in Deut.6:8 "Tie them to your hands as a reminder, and wear them on your forehead."

I do and I am very glad you brought that up. The hand is symbolic of where our actions take place and the forehead is where our thoughts are born and how our actions are carried out.

The beast with two horns "causeth [commands] all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." Revelation 13:16, 17. The third angel's warning is: "If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God." "The beast" mentioned in this message, whose worship is enforced by the two-horned beast, is the first, or leopardlike beast of Revelation 13 - - the papacy. The "image to the beast" represents that form of apostate Protestantism which will be developed when the Protestant churches shall seek the aid of the civil power for the enforcement of their dogmas. The "mark of the beast" still remains to be defined. - The Great Controversy, page 445

The most fearful threatening ever addressed to mortals is contained in the third angel's message. That must be a terrible sin which calls down the wrath of God unmingled with mercy. Men are not to be left in darkness concerning this important matter; the warning against this sin is to be given to the world before the visitation of God's judgments, that all may know why they are to be inflicted, and have opportunity to escape them. Prophecy declares that the first angel would make his announcement to "every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people." The warning of the third angel, which forms a part of the same threefold message, is to be no less widespread. It is represented in the prophecy as being proclaimed with a loud voice, by an angel flying in the midst of heaven; and it will command the attention of the world.


In the issue of the contest all Christendom will be divided into two great classes--those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and those who worship the beast and his image and receive his mark. Although church and state will unite their power to compel "all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond" (Revelation 13:16), to receive "the mark of the beast," yet the people of God will not receive it. The prophet of Patmos beholds "them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God" and singing the song of Moses and the Lamb. Revelation 15:2, 3. - The Great Controversy, page 449-450


With the issue thus clearly brought before him, whoever shall trample upon God's law to obey a human enactment receives the mark of the beast; he accepts the sign of allegiance to the power which he chooses to obey instead of God. The warning from heaven is: "If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation." Revelation 14:9, 10. - The Great Controversy, page 604

 

[Hammster]

I wonder where I can get the chip? If it can get me through the line at Wal-Mart faster, I'm in.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I wonder where I can get the chip? If it can get me through the line at Wal-Mart faster, I'm in.

LLOJ pops back in.....
I said essentially the same thing here "tongue in cheek" just to see reactions to it ehehe

LLOJ pops back out............

http://www.christianforums.com/t6253398-4/#post39794932

 

[gracechick]

Oh pleezh

 

[Hammster]

Oh pleezh

You want one, too?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Oh pleezh

oh pleezh what?

 

[squint]

And yet you still can't answer my question.

Just pointed out yer pariah/persecution complex to justify Sat. Sabbath is a yawner. I knew ya wouldn't like to hear that. Yeah, you are deemed an heretic by the RCC. I'm sure if I dug into your law vs. Lutheran grace positions it would not yeild much different.

Not me. I can only speak for what I believe and what the church I belong to teaches. I have no idea what the Lutherans teach or the Methodists or the Catholics regarding the mark of the beast - apparently you do. Name them!

hmmm? How did this get twisted this direction again...? Oh yeah, you didn't like hearing about using the persecution complex to justify sat. sab.

Jes tween u n me, you get kind of uh, overly defensive when the pet is attacked. I'm sure some people actually buy such nonsense. Good luck with THAT!

s

 

[get it right]

the Op may request such a move if he desires it.

meanwhile to get back to said post, yes, i've heard of the veri chip.

it's rather amazing the number of uses that have been found for it so far, not even counting the mark of the Beast.

the thing i find interesting in this is the warning concerning the positioning of the mark.
anyone here find a tie-in between the position of the mark of the Beast and the orthodox positioning of the words of God in Deut.6:8 "Tie them to your hands as a reminder, and wear them on your forehead."

Simply, the mark of the beast is either on the right hand or on the forehead.
Not on the hands, and not on the hands and the forehead, diffrent mark.