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As suggested... Jack Chick.ROFL........you gotta be kidding me..........What anti catholic bigot did you learn that from?
I have no idea why you hate apostolic Christianity so much, because so far you have made horrible misrepresentations about it.
You're very welcome..........I don't know what you've read, but you've picked up some bad habits in trying to understand anything form the Apostolic Faith that has been passed on for 2000 years...........billions of Chrisitans aren't as ignorant as you would like to think.That was a very informative and helpful post. Thank you.
As suggested... Jack Chick.
I do not hate apostolic Christians, I hate half truths and doctrines that would lead people astray.
We say the same about people who preach heretical doctrinesI do not hate apostolic Christians, I hate half truths and doctrines that would lead people astray.
And you think that an Internet forum is an acceptable place to learn about another faith? Man, if I had to go by what I've seen on this forum to judge the beliefs of many Protestants....I have no idea who Jack Chick is. Most of what I know about Catholicism I have heard from Catholics on this forum.
Do you hold high esteem for those who died for the Christian faith in the early centuries?
You are basically denying the Incarnation.
Yes it does because you continue to misrepresent what I am saying.Just because you disagree with my conclusion does not mean I need further study on Nestorianism. The idea that the two natures are separable is heretical, as it is one of the base claims of Nestorianism. At any rate, say whatever you want at this point. I'm not about to debate established fact.
Have you read the Nicene Creed? Do you know what it says? At any rate, you are yet to answer my question.You've got to be kidding me... is that what you're asking me? Mary did not make God. Read and understand the Nicene Creed; it specifically addresses your concerns
O Lord, grant us the spirit of fortitude, so that guided by the example of St. Sebastian, we may learn to bear witness to the Christian Faith and patiently support the sufferings of life. Through Christ our Lord. AmenStarting with St. Stephen the Martyr himself!
When I have trouble hearing, I use a few drop of peroxide in my ears, does wonders to help one hear what is actually being said.....instead of ....mumble mumble.....I think thats what I heard...........
Nobody on this thread has denied who Jesus is or what He did. Catholic doctrine is what this is about, nothing else.
Churches don't cast her aside or ignore her. They cast aside the heresy that the Catholic church has created, that she is an intercessor between God and man.
That she is a co-redemptress or a mediator.
That she as some omnipresent power to hear all Catholics pray and receive their prayers for God.
That she is forever a virgin and did not die.
They are the ones who have done her the dishonor by elevating her and diminishing the truth of what her Son came to accomplish, that is to restore the relationship between God and man. Not between Mary and man.
Yes it does because you continue to misrepresent what I am saying.
Have you read the Nicene Creed? Do you know what it says? At any rate, you are yet to answer my question.
And I don't even agree with the phrase "God manifest in the flesh." How many times did He make it obvious Who He was? (Because that's what a manifestation is!) I recall the Transfiguration on the Mount... and the Resurrection... and the Ascension...
but if He were so plainly God the rest of the time, why did the Jews kill Him? Just because that's what was supposed to happen?
No, it's because He was fully human while still fully God. He had feelings, He suffered, and He died, just as we do. For Him to be so much like us (indeed, to be one of us!), He had to have a mother! And you're saying she's only His half-mother!
No argument about feelings or suffering, or that He had a mother.
That's a Straw Man. You don't seem to understand then what Nestorianism is.
No, but it is irrelevent since and this is all a Straw Man argument anyhow.
Nestorianism creates two Persons: Jesus the Man and Jesus the Divine, only one of which was in the womb. St. Mary is more than just the Christokos (or Anthrotokos, if you will) since Jesus is not Jesus the Human and Jesus the God but Jesus the Theanthropos. He is both at the same time, not two people. Therefore, she is both Christokos and Theotokos, since Jesus is not two persons but one.
And while you can claim to say that you believe this, if your words do not support your claim, then it is your words, not your claim, is what matters. Mormons claim to be Christians all the time, yet their words dictate otherwise, just to give a prime example.
His humanity and divinity are distinct, true, but inseperable. You cannot have Jesus with just one nature; He comes as a package deal: two natures, two wills, One Person.
St. Mary is Theotokos, Mother of God, and Queen of Heaven as a result.
Ever prayed for someone? Ever asked someone to pray for you? That's mediation.
As for co-redeemer, there is no formal doctrine or dogma in the Vatican Catholic Church. In addition, while that language is used, it doesn't mean what you are erronously implying it does.
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