Vegan

[Brookelowe454]

Animals tend to be dead before I eat their flesh, so no, but eating them does require them to be killed. Two wrong do not make a right and I have never suggested that they do or that I am justified in eating meat because you kill mice. I agree that I kill mice too, we both kill mice, but that is a problem with your belief, not mine. If you truly tried to stop it and didn't think you were more important than animals, then you wouldn't eat a vegan diet. By supporting practices that damage the environment and kill animals, you aren't helping them. I never said that the fact that you aren't helping excuses me.

Just face the facts. Own the fact that you eat an animal's flesh when it is not necessary. NOT NECESSARY. Like Mountain Girl said, we choose not to eat other animals because we don't need to. You don't need to, not to mention that it is terrible for your health. For every burger that you eat, you use 6.7 pounds of grain, 52.8 gallons of water, 74.5 sq feet for land, and 1,036 fossil fuel energy. So yeah, you can try to convince me that a vegan diet is just as bad as meat eating, but facts don't lie.

 

[Brookelowe454]

You do it on purpose because you can always stop eating a vegan diet. You claim to try to help, but you support damaging the environment and killing animals, which does not help. I am against torturing animals, but eating them is not torturing them, they can be killed painlessly.

"They can be killed painlessly." BUT THEY ARE NOT. "Humane slaughter

The process of slaughter entails taking an animal's life, most commonly by the slitting of the individual's throat while forcibly held in an upside down position in order to facilitate the draining of the blood prior to skinning and dismemberment. According to the American Heritage Dictionary, the definition of "Humane" includes such words as compassionate and merciful. To have one's throat involuntarily slit may be many things, but few on the receiving end of such an act would be likely to call it merciful, or compassionate. Hence, humane slaughter is an oxymoron."

http://www.humanemyth.org/glossary/1033.htm

 

[Soyeong]

Just face the facts. Own the fact that you eat an animal's flesh when it is not necessary. NOT NECESSARY. Like Mountain Girl said, we choose not to eat other animals because we don't need to. You don't need to, not to mention that it is terrible for your health. For every burger that you eat, you use 6.7 pounds of grain, 52.8 gallons of water, 74.5 sq feet for land, and 1,036 fossil fuel energy. So yeah, you can try to convince me that a vegan diet is just as bad as meat eating, but facts don't lie.

No diet is necessary. If you choose to eat a vegan diet, then it involves unnecessarily killing animals, just as my diet does. I didn't say that it just as bad as eating me, but that it is inconsistent with what you claim to believe.

 

[Soyeong]

"They can be killed painlessly." BUT THEY ARE NOT. "Humane slaughter

The process of slaughter entails taking an animal's life, most commonly by the slitting of the individual's throat while forcibly held in an upside down position in order to facilitate the draining of the blood prior to skinning and dismemberment. According to the American Heritage Dictionary, the definition of "Humane" includes such words as compassionate and merciful. To have one's throat involuntarily slit may be many things, but few on the receiving end of such an act would be likely to call it merciful, or compassionate. Hence, humane slaughter is an oxymoron."

http://www.humanemyth.org/glossary/1033.htm

It may not be merciful and compassionate, but it isn't torture either.

 

[Brookelowe454]

No diet is necessary. If you choose to eat a vegan diet, then it involves unnecessarily killing animals, just as my diet does. I didn't say that it just as bad as eating me, but that it is inconsistent with what you claim to believe.

I don't kill the animals voluntarily, like you do, because you directly support the meat eating industry. What part of unnecessary do you not understand? It is very consistent, thank you very much. Just accept that I will never agree with you.

 

[Ilovegod888]

Which one are you referring to?

Factory Farming in 60 seconds flat. I will know if you didn't make it to the end, so...

 

[Ilovegod888]

It may not be merciful and compassionate, but it isn't torture either.

Factory Farming in 60 seconds flat, it's torture whether you like it or not.

 

[Brookelowe454]

It may not be merciful and compassionate, but it isn't torture either.

"Multiple undercover investigations by Mercy For Animals into Tyson Foods—the largest poultry producer in the world—have exposed horrific cruelty to animals, including birds bred to grow so fast they become crippled under their own weight, workers violently punching, beating, and stabbing animals, and birds having their heads ripped off while they are still alive and conscious."

Yeah, what part of that doesn't sound like torture?

 

[Soyeong]

I don't kill the animals voluntarily, like you do, because you directly support the meat eating industry. What part of unnecessary do you not understand? It is very consistent, thank you very much. Just accept that I will never agree with you.

If you voluntarily eat crops, then you voluntarily support killing animals. It is not necessary to eat crops, so it is not necessary to support killing animals. What makes your survival necessary and their survival unnecessary?

 

[Soyeong]

Factory Farming in 60 seconds flat, it's torture whether you like it or not.

Again, not everything comes from factory farms.

 

[Soyeong]

"Multiple undercover investigations by Mercy For Animals into Tyson Foods—the largest poultry producer in the world—have exposed horrific cruelty to animals, including birds bred to grow so fast they become crippled under their own weight, workers violently punching, beating, and stabbing animals, and birds having their heads ripped off while they are still alive and conscious."

Yeah, what part of that doesn't sound like torture?

That would be torture, but that isn't a necessary part of eating meat.

 

[Ilovegod888]

Again, not everything comes from factory farms.

Like the picture I posted, it's the same thing. At every potluck, you don't see if it's humane. Not that it makes a difference though, they are still tortured like the video.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

The point I've been trying to get them to admit over the last few pages is that vegans kill animals too. It's also been claimed previously that we aren't more important than animals, yet pay farmers to kill them runs shows that they don't really believe that. It's not something they repent of. If they wanted to avoid unnecessary killing, then they wouldn't eat a vegan diet because eating a vegan diet isn't necessary.

Who do you mean by them? I'm a vegan, have been for a long time. It's necessary to eat, and eating plants results in far less suffering than eating animals. Do the math...if it takes 800 calories of grain to put a 100 calorie piece of meat on you plate, then who is causing more harm, the person who eats 100 calories of grain or the person who eats 100 calories of meat?
How can you figure that eating meat harms fewer animals than eating vegetables, fruits, pulses and grain?

 

[Brookelowe454]

If you voluntarily eat crops, then you voluntarily support killing animals. It is not necessary to eat crops, so it is not necessary to support killing animals. What makes your survival necessary and their survival unnecessary?

What do you want me to eat, air? It IS necessary for me to eat crops, but it's NOT necessary for me to eat an animal. Accept that. You're one to talk! You believe that a cow's life is less important than yours. I don't believe that a mouse's life is less important, but once AGAIN, I do it on accident.

 

[Brookelowe454]

That would be torture, but that isn't a necessary part of eating meat.

Well, whether you like it or not, you support those companies.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Again, not everything comes from factory farms.

No, but factory farms ate absolutely required to support the amount of global meat consumption we are currently at.

 

[Soyeong]

What do you want me to eat, air? It IS necessary for me to eat crops, but it's NOT necessary for me to eat an animal. Accept that. You're one to talk! You believe that a cow's life is less important than yours. I don't believe that a mouse's life is less important, but once AGAIN, I do it on accident.

It is necessary to eat in order to survive, but it is not necessary to survive. When you choose to eat to survive, that is on purpose, not on accident, and that involves killing animals on purpose, not on accident. If you truly believed that a mouse's life isn't less important, then you wouldn't place your survival over their survival, but your actions show that you really do believe that your life is more important.

 

[Soyeong]

No, but factory farms ate absolutely required to support the amount of global meat consumption we are currently at.

Would you say that there is a level of consumption of meat that doesn't require factory farms?

 

[Brookelowe454]

It is necessary to eat in order to survive, but it is not necessary to survive. When you choose to eat to survive, that is on purpose, not on accident, and that involves killing animals on purpose, not on accident. If you truly believed that a mouse's life isn't less important, then you wouldn't place your survival over their survival, but your actions show that you really do believe that your life is more important.

What am I supposed to do, kill myself to save animals? That's probably the only thing you would accept. In that case, I have finished looking at your ignorant comments. You actually think that that's a logical argument. You do everything that I do, accept 100 times worse. So in fact, you don't really have a reason to comment anymore...

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Would you say that there is a level of consumption of meat that doesn't require factory farms?

I don't know, perhaps a very small one, maybe involving people who choose to hunt doing so, and otherwise treating meat as a rare luxury item.