Driver said:From their avoidance of the scriptures you have provided, one wonders if they consider scripture itself an attack. I have seen this over and over again.
I think that is clear.
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Driver said:From their avoidance of the scriptures you have provided, one wonders if they consider scripture itself an attack. I have seen this over and over again.
Driver said:Shouldn't the very title of this thread "varieties of dispensationalism" tell you that there is something wrong with dispensationalism to begin with?
Driver said:From their avoidance of the scriptures you have provided, one wonders if they consider scripture itself an attack. I have seen this over and over again.
Tractor1 said:Sorry, you're in error. Abram believed (requirement) that God (object) would fulfill His promise (content; Gen. 15:1-5). Once he did God accounted his faith as righteousness.
In Christ,
Tracey
Augustine Was Calvinist,Augustine_Was_Calvinist said:The object of Abraham's faith was God, who had given Abraham the Promise that Messiah would come from his bloodline.(all the nations will be blessed through Abraham)
It seems as if it is you who wants to add to what Paul said in Romans.My goodness, every one of you has not comprehended much of anything Paul teaches in Romans at all.
It is sad when people add things to the Scriptures that are not there.That is sad, very sad.
ksen said:MOD HAT ON:
All right everybody. The OP specifically asked that this thread stay on topic. The topic is for dispensationalists to say what it is they believe and why they believe it.
There is to be no attacking or confronting. If this behavior continues I will have no recourse but to delete the off-topic posts.
Stay on topic.
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JerryShugart said:Augustine Was Calvinist,
Despite the fact that the Scriptures say what the object of Abraham's faith was you add something that is not in the Scriptures:
"Who against hope believed in hope,that he might become the father of many nations,according to that which was spoken,So shall thy seed be...And therefore it was counted to him for righteousness"(Ro.4:18,22).
It seems as if it is you who wants to add to what Paul said in Romans.
In His grace,--Jerry
Here are your words and the part that is in "bold" is the part that you added:Augustine_Was_Calvinist said:Just how have I added anything? What has been added, when and where?
JerryShugart said:Here are your words and the part that is in "bold" is the part that you added:
"The object of Abraham's faith was God, who had given Abraham the Promise that Messiah would come from his bloodline.(all the nations will be blessed through Abraham).
In His grace,--Jerry
If you believe that He did then you should be able to provide Scriptures to support that idea.Augustine_Was_Calvinist said:Are you saying that God did not promise to Abraham that Messiah would come from his bloodline?
JerryShugart said:Here are your words and the part that is in "bold" is the part that you added:
"The object of Abraham's faith was God, who had given Abraham the Promise that Messiah would come from his bloodline.(all the nations will be blessed through Abraham).
In His grace,--Jerry
JerryShugart said:Here are your words and the part that is in "bold" is the part that you added:
"The object of Abraham's faith was God, who had given Abraham the Promise that Messiah would come from his bloodline.(all the nations will be blessed through Abraham).
In His grace,--Jerry
Street Preacher said:Augusty, have no fear. My soteriology is in direct line with John Calvin. As for the rest, I'm not even going to offer a reply in my defence...I can't! I'm so screwed up right now, one foot in the dispey camp, the other in the Reformed. It's becoming a real problem and I'm coming to the point where I don't like going to Church or reading the Bible.
peace.
SP
kw5kw said:It is only natural for us to set back, think and at times question, doubt if you may, our lot in life. However, As a lamb of God, saved by His Grace thru your trust in Him, you will always be saved.
I will only say that I will pray for you, and that you need to drop down and pray to Him, for guidance.
On this fence I set, not knowing which camp I fall into. I think that this is an "In-house" discussion amongst believers, for that is all that it is, a discussion amongst believers.
I see no Scriptual evidence that He did.It would seem strange that that was a part of the content of Abraham's faith but yet it is never mentioned in the OT and Paul never mentions it.Augustine_Was_Calvinist said:Once again, are you saying that God did not promise to Abraham that Messiah would come from his bloodline?
Yes, or no?
You never responded to my question.If there is Scriptual evidence that God promised Abraham that the Messiah would come through his bloodline then where is that evidence?Now is your chance to sound off on Biblical truth.
I have in good faith responded and answered you.
I see no Scriptual evidence.If there is such evidence then why don't you just tell me what it is.Otherwise your continuing evasion is evidence that it is you who is being disingenuous.Now, lets see you, in good faith reciprocate, or else I know that you are being disingenuous.
So, are you saying that God did not promise Abraham that Messiah would come through his bloodline?
Yes or no?
JerryShugart said:You never responded to my question.If there is Scriptual evidence that God promised Abraham that the Messiah would come through his bloodline then where is that evidence?
Instead of answering you asked a question.