Vaccinations

[visionary]

"V. Singh,MDM, a specialist from Utah State who has studied over 400 cases of autism, found that these children had experienced an autoimmune episode, in which their own bodies had been made to attack the linings of their nervous systems. Dr. Singh characterized the epidemic as a "hyperimmune response to the measles virus." He stated that 55% of the families said that autism appeared soon after an MMR shot, and that 33% of families said it appeared soon after a DPT shot. Such neurologic damage is a well-established side-effect of the mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde used in these vaccines."---http://www.whale.to/m/shea.html

 

[visionary]

"John O'Leary, PhD, a world-class researcher and molecular biologist from Ireland, using state-of-the-art sequencing technology, showed how he had found the measles virus in the gut of 96% of autistic children, compared to 6.6% in normal children. This virus did not come from the natural disease, but from the measles vaccine. Dr. O'Leary found measles virus present in 75% of children with Crohn's disease. Crohn's has traditionally been an intestinal disease of adults, following years of dietary abuse. Its appearance in children is a new event, and Dr. O'Leary's work points to the measles virus from vaccines as the likely cause."-researcher

 

[visionary]

laboratory findings.....The MMR vaccine is also especially suspect because laboratories in England, Ireland, and Japan have found evidence of MMR vaccine viruses in the intestinal tracts of autistic children, but not in control group, non-autistic children."---http://www.whale.to/m/ari.html

 

[visionary]

Asking the public health community to investigate the role of vaccines in the development of autism is like asking the tobacco industry to investigate the link between lung cancer and smoking.

 

[Drekkan85]

Again, conspiracy theories and researchers that don't publish studies. Any number is suspect unless it can be verified by the medical community in double blind research. Without it, we merely have the opinion of a guy.

It's also worth noting that Chadwick, a researcher that worked with Wakefield when he had shifted from mercury to his 'gut' hypothesis, has come forward and repeatedly said the vast majority of MMR inoculated kids show no measles in the gut. Furthermore, false positives are one of the main problems with the "state of the art" techniques used - PCR tests. That's what peer review is for, checking these things.

Your other study merely shows that autism onsets at the same time of life that we vaccinate, but we already knew that.

Again, peer reviewed research is a necessary but not sufficient condition for being taken seriously in science. If you don't have a peer reviewed study to show a link, then there is no link.

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Vis-a-vis fetal tissue, this is both true and false. Back in 1966 and 1962 two aborted embryos had some cells cultivated. These cells were used to create a cell line to make bi products MRC-5 and WI-38 that are used in the linked to article's vaccines. Two fetuses, a long time ago. Now I can understand some moral concerns; however consider that the damage from those abortions has already been done, and that by refusing the vaccines you're creating a system that can lead to your, your family's, and many other innocent peoples deaths.

 

[Drekkan85]

Also worth noting - your source for all of these seems to be a collection of quotes covering everything from the doctors are controlling our minds, that HIV is harmless and its all a plot to cover up a genocide in Africa, and that chemtrails are killing us all in a covert government action.

Could we PLEASE go back to covering science with sites that aren't crazy and actually have standards/peer review?

Please?

 

[Matthewj1985]

Yes your right there are a lot of drugs out there that are working and not causing much harm, yet. But these are not being shoved down my throat either.

My point was in my first post was don't be so quick to get a vaccination, because truly you don't know what will come of it a few yrs later. If the government is going to step in and say we have to get the vaccination, where exactly is my freedom?

When the flu vaccination came out the first yr, I received one and was sicker than a dog. So I have not received the vaccination since. Yes I get the flu maybe once every 5-7 yrs, but I think I can deal.

How would you feel if your kid died because some other mother was skeptical about the MMR vaccine? Heard immunization is VERY important and the closer we live together as humans the more important it gets.

Again I would like you to look at the failure rates of ALL FDA approved drugs versus the number of people who have been helped. Statistically you should be more concerned about where your produce comes from or putting your kids in a car.

 

[Drekkan85]

More on the guy in Dublin:

"But perhaps no one understood that the MMR theory, in particular, was a house of cards better than molecular biologist Stephen Bustin of the University of London. In 2004 the U.K. High Court asked him to inspect the Dublin lab that had reported measles genes in the guts of autistic children right after they received the MMR, an important confirmation of Wakefield's theory. It was an uncomfortable situation, Bustin recalls, playing cop at another scientist's lab. But he discovered a number of problems. The genetic material the lab had found was DNA, but measles genes are made of RNA. The equipment was so poorly calibrated that its results depended on where in the machine the sample was placed."

 

[gracechick]

Asking the public health community to investigate the role of vaccines in the development of autism is like asking the tobacco industry to investigate the link between lung cancer and smoking.

Something most people do not realise.