Vaccinated and Think You're Safe?

[Crwth]

I'm getting tired of all the fear-mongering threads about so-and-so wishing they'd got the vaccine but didn't and suffered.... however. The propaganda is getting very old. I don't know if it's because of paranoia or what, but it's becoming quite tiresome and I for one wishes it would stop.

What about those who GOT the vaccine and regretted it?

I'm going through the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System - hhs.gov) data on my own right now and what I'm finding is sobering. Mind you, this is ALL vaccine data.

Vaccine (ANY vaccine) deaths:
1990 - 76
...
1993 - 219
...
2000 - 141
...
2018 - 165
2019 - 183
2020 - 167
The average number of deaths from 1990 to 2020 is about 150 +/- but very consistent, were one to graph it.

Here's the 2021 data (through just the first 5 months of this year - May, 2021)
2021 - 5,909 (notwithstanding 7 month's of data yet to be reported and retrieved)

Mind you, these are just the reported DEATH statistics - and they apply to ALL VACCINES. The datasets for the years 1990 to 2020 vary roughly in size from about 12,000 (1990) to 50,000 (2020) and include not only deaths, but all other adverse vaccine events (see website for a PDF explaining the data).

The dataset of reported adverse events for the first [correction, not 5] 4 months of 2021 is 437,298 reports.

Extrapolating to the end of 2021:
437,298 * 3 = 1,311,894 probable adverse events
5,909 * 3 = 17,727 probable deaths due to adverse vaccine events

To put these numbers in perspective, the number of probable deaths this year is nearly 100 times that of the average for the previous 30 years.
And there have already (as of May) been over 1,000 more deaths than all deaths in the 30 years prior to this year.

Again, I find this data very sobering.

 

[Isilwen]

I'm getting tired of all the fear-mongering threads about so-and-so wishing they'd got the vaccine but didn't and suffered.... however. The propaganda is getting very old. I don't know if it's because of paranoia or what, but it's becoming quite tiresome and I for one wishes it would stop.

What about those who GOT the vaccine and regretted it?

I'm going through the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System - hhs.gov) data on my own right now and what I'm finding is sobering. Mind you, this is ALL vaccine data.

Vaccine (ANY vaccine) deaths:
1990 - 76
...
1993 - 219
...
2000 - 141
...
2018 - 165
2019 - 183
2020 - 167
The average number of deaths from 1990 to 2020 is about 150 +/- but very consistent, were one to graph it.

Here's the 2021 data (through just the first 5 months of this year - May, 2021)
2021 - 5,909 (notwithstanding 7 month's of data yet to be reported and retrieved)

Mind you, these are just the reported DEATH statistics - and they apply to ALL VACCINES. The datasets for the years 1990 to 2020 vary roughly in size from about 12,000 (1990) to 50,000 (2020) and include not only deaths, but all other adverse vaccine events (see website for a PDF explaining the data).

The dataset of reported adverse events for the first 5 months of 2021 is 437,298 reports.

Extrapolating to the end of 2021:
437,298 * 12/5 = 1,049,515 probable adverse events
5,909 * 12/5 = 14,182 probable deaths due to adverse vaccine events

To put these numbers in perspective, the number of probable deaths this year is nearly 100 times that of the average for the previous 30 years.
And there have already (as of May) been over 1,000 more deaths than all deaths in the 30 years prior to this year.

Again, I find this data very sobering.

From what I understand is that the VAERS website isn't very accurate and anyone can post a death there.

Data from vaccine reporting site being misrepresented online

VAERS - Guide to Interpreting VAERS Data

I am not saying that deaths haven't occurred from the vaccine, as I know better than that and anyone can have an adverse effect from a vaccine. AllnIbam saying is that VAERS isn't all that accurate and many false claims have come because of it.

 

[Sketcher]

VAERS - Guide to Interpreting VAERS Data

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.

 

[JohnB445]

I'm getting tired of all the fear-mongering threads about so-and-so wishing they'd got the vaccine but didn't and suffered.... however. The propaganda is getting very old. I don't know if it's because of paranoia or what, but it's becoming quite tiresome and I for one wishes it would stop.

What about those who GOT the vaccine and regretted it?

I'm going through the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System - hhs.gov) data on my own right now and what I'm finding is sobering. Mind you, this is ALL vaccine data.

Vaccine (ANY vaccine) deaths:
1990 - 76
...
1993 - 219
...
2000 - 141
...
2018 - 165
2019 - 183
2020 - 167
The average number of deaths from 1990 to 2020 is about 150 +/- but very consistent, were one to graph it.

Here's the 2021 data (through just the first 5 months of this year - May, 2021)
2021 - 5,909 (notwithstanding 7 month's of data yet to be reported and retrieved)

Mind you, these are just the reported DEATH statistics - and they apply to ALL VACCINES. The datasets for the years 1990 to 2020 vary roughly in size from about 12,000 (1990) to 50,000 (2020) and include not only deaths, but all other adverse vaccine events (see website for a PDF explaining the data).

The dataset of reported adverse events for the first 5 months of 2021 is 437,298 reports.

Extrapolating to the end of 2021:
437,298 * 12/5 = 1,049,515 probable adverse events
5,909 * 12/5 = 14,182 probable deaths due to adverse vaccine events

To put these numbers in perspective, the number of probable deaths this year is nearly 100 times that of the average for the previous 30 years.
And there have already (as of May) been over 1,000 more deaths than all deaths in the 30 years prior to this year.

Again, I find this data very sobering.

The argument is the chances of dying from the vaccine are much less than the chances of dying from Covid.

So with that said, what is more risky?

 

[Blade]

On Friday 5:41 pm on another Christian forum this was posted under "Prayer Requests, Praises & Testimonies" "Please pray for my daughter , she has covid . She did get the vaccine a couple of months ago so we hope that will lessen her symptoms . She is in quarantine at a hotel ."

This is happening everywhere..just not being reported at all! Just told my wife yesterday since I was looking through google on the phone. Reading google or watching the news its one group of people that won't get the vaccine <--something anyone can look up its PUBLIC INFO.. its not that group the news has been saying for many months now. Just to many things get left out not talked about. I have no fear about not taking the vaccine. I have as I always have .. faith in my God. As He once told me many years ago "WHEN have I ever failed you". Then He shows you.. you cry and cry because.. how did I ever miss all those moments. PSA 91 is a promise .. its His word He can't lie

Anyway.. just came to say thanks. I know whats coming praise GOD.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

From what I understand is that the VAERS website isn't very accurate and anyone can post a death there.

If it is an unreliable source, one wonders why the CDC and FDA co-manage it. For kicks?

IMO, VAERS is undereported, not over.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

As He once told me many years ago "WHEN have I ever failed you". Then He shows you.. you cry and cry because.. how did I ever miss all those moments.

I love this, and agree. Amen.

 

[Crwth]

VAERS - Guide to Interpreting VAERS Data

From what I understand is that the VAERS website isn't very accurate and anyone can post a death there.

Data from vaccine reporting site being misrepresented online

VAERS - Guide to Interpreting VAERS Data

I am not saying that deaths haven't occurred from the vaccine, as I know better than that and anyone can have an adverse effect from a vaccine. AllnIbam saying is that VAERS isn't all that accurate and many false claims have come because of it.

Agreed, and all I'm doing is reporting on the data. I made no claims whatsoever as to the accuracy of the data. That said, unless you both are claiming some sort of conspiracy to post inaccurate data, the sheer magnitude of the size of the 2021 dataset alone is worth consideration.

Moreover, the data for the previous 31 years is very, very consistent, until you reach this year. It's hard to claim "misrepresentation" for the 2021 data based on how consistent the previous 31 years have been. Are there some bad data in that Health & Human Services database? Probably. How many? Well, you tell me, since it's your objection.

 

[Isilwen]

If it is an unreliable source, one wonders why the CDC and FDA co-manage it. For kicks?

IMO, VAERS is undereported, not over.

They co-manage because they're looking for trends and such. For the actual real deaths attributed to the vaccine.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

They co-manage because they're looking for trends and such. For the actual real deaths attributed to the vaccine.

So you think it's useful?

 

[Isilwen]

Agreed, and all I'm doing is reporting on the data. I made no claims whatsoever as to the accuracy of the data. That said, unless you both are claiming some sort of conspiracy to post inaccurate data, the sheer magnitude of the size of the 2021 dataset alone is worth consideration.

Moreover, the data for the previous 31 years is very, very consistent, until you reach this year. It's hard to claim "misrepresentation" for the 2021 data based on how consistent the previous 31 years have been. Are there some bad data in that Health & Human Services database? Probably. How many? Well, you tell me, since it's your objection.

Could just be people who are against the vaccine reporting in there. As I said, anyone can report a death.

I am not saying that deaths don't happen, but VAERS is being used by people as a tool who have something against the vaccine to try and get people not to be vaccinated.

 

[Sketcher]

Agreed, and all I'm doing is reporting on the data. I made no claims whatsoever as to the accuracy of the data. That said, unless you both are claiming some sort of conspiracy to post inaccurate data, the sheer magnitude of the size of the 2021 dataset alone is worth consideration.

Moreover, the data for the previous 31 years is very, very consistent, until you reach this year. It's hard to claim "misrepresentation" for the 2021 data based on how consistent the previous 31 years have been. Are there some bad data in that Health & Human Services database? Probably. How many? Well, you tell me, since it's your objection.

VAERS was intentionally made more visible this last year, and for a good reason. It's possible that previous years were under-reported, or that 2021's was over-reported. We can't draw the conclusion that the COVID vaccines are dangerous merely from these reports.

 

[Isilwen]

So you think it's useful?

It can be, yes. However, they look for trends within the data. Not every death reported can be attributed to the vaccine.

 

[Isilwen]

VAERS was intentionally made more visible this last year, and for a good reason. It's possible that previous years were under-reported, or that 2021's was over-reported. We can't draw the conclusion that the COVID vaccines are dangerous merely from these reports.

Thank you! You explained it better than I did.

 

[Crwth]

They co-manage because they're looking for trends and such. For the actual real deaths attributed to the vaccine.

How's this then for a trend:

 

[renniks]

If it were to come out that more people were dying from the vaccine than the virus I'm convinced that people here would still argue for the vaccine.
It's like they like being blind to the dangers.

 

[Crwth]

VAERS was intentionally made more visible this last year, and for a good reason. It's possible that previous years were under-reported, or that 2021's was over-reported. We can't draw the conclusion that the COVID vaccines are dangerous merely from these reports.

What you're trying to do is discredit the entire database, summarily dismissing 31 years of data with a wave of the hand and thereby concluding it's not possible to draw any useful conclusions from the data at all.

Not buying it one iota.

 

[Isilwen]

How's this then for a trend:

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Still doesn't prove anything. Anyone can post a death there.

 

[returntosender]

On Friday 5:41 pm on another Christian forum this was posted under "Prayer Requests, Praises & Testimonies" "Please pray for my daughter , she has covid . She did get the vaccine a couple of months ago so we hope that will lessen her symptoms . She is in quarantine at a hotel ."

This is happening everywhere..just not being reported at all! Just told my wife yesterday since I was looking through google on the phone. Reading google or watching the news its one group of people that won't get the vaccine <--something anyone can look up its PUBLIC INFO.. its not that group the news has been saying for many months now. Just to many things get left out not talked about. I have no fear about not taking the vaccine. I have as I always have .. faith in my God. As He once told me many years ago "WHEN have I ever failed you". Then He shows you.. you cry and cry because.. how did I ever miss all those moments. PSA 91 is a promise .. its His word He can't lie

Anyway.. just came to say thanks. I know whats coming praise GOD.

Why get the vaccine then?

 

[Crwth]

Still doesn't prove anything. Anyone can post a death there.

What is your proof that that is what has caused this year's inordinate spike? Do you have data that shows how many of these "anyones" have posted false deaths there?