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[flatworm]

Can homosexual sex produce babies?

Oh, for pity's sake, if you're going to be homophobic, could you at least try to find an argument that couldn't be shot down by a fourth-grader?

Plenty of heterosexual couples cannot conceive, and I know of no religion on earth that requires a fertility test before allowing sex, nor any that invalidate the marriages of the elderly.

Who are you that you should attempt to judge GOD ALMIGHTY.

As a member of the only species known to engage in abstract moral reasoning, I'll judge any fictional character I please.

Come the judgment, you just go and tell HIM exactly what you think of HIM. I would not be surprised if you are totally silent.

Won't you be sorry when the leprechauns take over.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Nor do homosexuals even CLAIM that homosexual sex is in any way supposed to conceive babies.

Trust me, we know what we are doing is unlikely to lead to pregnancy

 

[Chalnoth]

My dad was raised Roman Catholic. He became a saved individual and began attending a community church. I was raised in that church and became a Fundamentalist. I'm not saved because my dad is saved. I'm saved because GOD revealed HIS grace to me and I accepted it.

And guess what? Genetically inherited traits aren't always passed down from parent to child either.

 

[Maxwell511]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that there aren't exceptions. But parental religion is the best predictor of their child's religion.

What?

That is not an exception. They are not different religions. They are different sects.

Fundamentalism is to Catholicism as hiberno-english is to the queen's english.

 

[Skaloop]

What?

That is not an exception. They are not different religions. They are different sects.

Fundamentalism is to Catholicism as hiberno-english is to the queen's english.

Well, he considers them different. I was just conceding that point to show how his argument was in error.

 

[TheOutsider]

Could you point us in the direction of some creation science?

I mean, real science, not just "poking holes in other peoples' work" or "simply asking questions" or "developing doubt for doubt's sake". While those are all things people can do, they really aren't all there is to science.

I'd say that you had ample opportunities. And the fact is that you, yourself could begin such research on your own behalf

I guess we can take that as a "no".

 

[tanzanos]

I guess we can take that as a "no".

I concur!!!

 

[LittleNipper]

Nor do homosexuals even CLAIM that homosexual sex is in any way supposed to conceive babies.

Trust me, we know what we are doing is unlikely to lead to pregnancy

One major difference between homosexual sex and natural sex, is that the there have been many instances where the man and the woman waited until they were ceremonially united in order to consumate a marriage. They in fact may even have married because each felt the other would make a wise parent for any children they might conceive together. The woman may even see the man as the spiritual head of a family they maybe starting together.

This has never been true of homosexual relationships, in that they are drawn together by eye attraction, sexual performance and through the total sensual "experience". They cannot conceive with each other (good father/mother material is out of the question). They are not liooking for spiritual fellowship. They seek only sexual fulfillment of a hunger that they themselves encourage.

 

[LittleNipper]

Oh, for pity's sake, if you're going to be homophobic, could you at least try to find an argument that couldn't be shot down by a fourth-grader?

Plenty of heterosexual couples cannot conceive, and I know of no religion on earth that requires a fertility test before allowing sex, nor any that invalidate the marriages of the elderly.



As a member of the only species known to engage in abstract moral reasoning, I'll judge any fictional character I please.



Won't you be sorry when the leprechauns take over.

GOD is not fictional, especially if we are the only species that can reason the difference between good and evil (abstract moral reasoning) as even your own remarks suggests.

 

[Skaloop]

One major difference between homosexual sex and natural sex, is that the there have been many instances where the man and the woman waited until they were ceremonially united in order to consumate a marriage. They in fact may even have married because each felt the other would make a wise parent for any children they might conceive together. The woman may even see the man as the spiritual head of a family they maybe starting together.

This has never been true of homosexual relationships, in that they are drawn together by eye attraction, sexual performance and through the total sensual "experience". They cannot conceive with each other (good father/mother material is out of the question). They are not liooking for spiritual fellowship. They seek only sexual fulfillment of a hunger that they themselves encourage.

That is a complete load of utter hogwash. I would have thought you'd learned that by now.

 

[Belk]

One major difference between homosexual sex and natural sex, is that the there have been many instances where the man and the woman waited until they were ceremonially united in order to consumate a marriage. They in fact may even have married because each felt the other would make a wise parent for any children they might conceive together. The woman may even see the man as the spiritual head of a family they maybe starting together.

This has never been true of homosexual relationships, in that they are drawn together by eye attraction, sexual performance and through the total sensual "experience". They cannot conceive with each other (good father/mother material is out of the question). They are not liooking for spiritual fellowship. They seek only sexual fulfillment of a hunger that they themselves encourage.

No kidding? People who can't get married don't wait until marriage to have sex? Really?

 

[Vene]

One major difference between homosexual sex and natural sex, is that the there have been many instances where the man and the woman waited until they were ceremonially united in order to consumate a marriage. They in fact may even have married because each felt the other would make a wise parent for any children they might conceive together. The woman may even see the man as the spiritual head of a family they maybe starting together.

This has never been true of homosexual relationships, in that they are drawn together by eye attraction, sexual performance and through the total sensual "experience". They cannot conceive with each other (good father/mother material is out of the question). They are not liooking for spiritual fellowship. They seek only sexual fulfillment of a hunger that they themselves encourage.

Are you going back to the idea that children is the sole reason for marriage? And you seem to be suggesting that same sex unions are purely about sex and that there is no way they can love each other, which I find unfounded and, well, stupid.

 

[LittleNipper]

No kidding? People who can't get married don't wait until marriage to have sex? Really?

Even in states where they can "marry." They don't wait. They cannot wait. They will not wait. The whole reason for homosexuality is the roll in the hey. That is the start and the end of it.

 

[LittleNipper]

Are you going back to the idea that children is the sole reason for marriage? And you seem to be suggesting that same sex unions are purely about sex and that there is no way they can love each other, which I find unfounded and, well, stupid.

No! The fact remains that in marriages where both the husband and wife married because they desired children and felt that the person that they desired to marry would make a good father/mother seems to have lower divorce rate. Where pre-marital sex was the only reason for the marriage, the divorce rate is nearly 100%. Among homosexuals, the rate of staying together for 50/60 years is insignificant. When the sex drys up, so goes the relationship.

 

[LittleNipper]

That is a complete load of utter hogwash. I would have thought you'd learned that by now.

Can I believe anything a person who says that GOD is but a fable, determinds?

 

[Skaloop]

Even in states where they can "marry." They don't wait. They cannot wait. They will not wait.

And, as mentioned in the link and statistics I provided earlier, neither do/can/will the vast vast majority of straight people. So even if your point about sex-crazed gays were correct (which it isn't), it' still rendered moot along with your argument.

 

[Belk]

Even in states where they can "marry." They don't wait. They cannot wait. They will not wait. The whole reason for homosexuality is the roll in the hey. That is the start and the end of it.

Know a lot of homosexuals do you Nipper? Got anything other then personal opinion to back this up?

 

[Vene]

And, as mentioned in the link and statistics I provided earlier, neither do/can/will the vast vast majority of straight people. So even if your point about sex-crazed gays were correct (which it isn't), it' still rendered moot along with your argument.

It's almost as if they are as human as the rest of us.

 

[atomweaver]

Can I believe anything a person who says that GOD is but a fable, determinds?

No, but then its not like you can back up your bald-faced stereotypical homophobic lies with any substantial evidence, either, so you're not any more believable than anyone else on the topic...

 

[LittleNipper]

And, as mentioned in the link and statistics I provided earlier, neither do/can/will the vast vast majority of straight people. So even if your point about sex-crazed gays were correct (which it isn't), it' still rendered moot along with your argument.

My parents were married in 1948 and their first child was a stillborn boy in 1951. I was born in 1953. My in-laws married in 1947. Their first child was in 1950. Both are still happily married. My parents started as Catholic and my wife's parents were/are Independent Fundamentalists. I married a 25 year old virgin when I was a 31 year old virgin. That was in 1985. We are still married. When I was 19, I was approached by a man on behalf of another man seeking sexual favors for money. Had I not been a strong Christian, I likely would have taken him up on it. So don't speak to me as if I don't understand or as some outsider. I not perfect nor naive. I'm saved.