"US 'doomed' if creationist president elected: scientists"

[Braunwyn]

You're depressed now, think about how depressing a CHRISTLESS eternity will be....

Honestly, and no offense but given your posts I can tell that what works for you would never work for me. Why would I want to ever speak as you do? or see another human being as you do? No thanks.

If that's what Christs brings to your life, you can keep it. Who would want that for an eternity?

 

[Vene]

No you wouldn't, or you would check out the facts from unbias sources yourself and not wait to pounce on what others have to say that you simply choose to disagree with.

Actually, I have looked in the past when I wanted to see what I thought about homosexuality. I have since concluded that it has a strong biological basis (though possibly not genetic) and is no more harmful than heterosexual acts (especially since many things that hetero couples do are performed by homo couples).

 

[LittleNipper]

Honestly, and no offense but given your posts I can tell that what works for you would never work for me. Why would I want to ever speak as you do? or see another human being as you do? No thanks.

If that's what Christs brings to your life, you can keep it. Who would want that for an eternity?

You'd rather be told everything will be alright and whatever you wish to think or believe is okay. Sorry, that maybe how society has evolved into a bunch of over weight, lazy, good-for-nothings. That doesn't mean that I will not continue to say exactly what I feel that you need to hear for your own sake. I'm not interested in fair weather friends. PS> Eternity is all about CHRIST and not about you.

 

[LittleNipper]

Actually, I have looked in the past when I wanted to see what I thought about homosexuality. I have since concluded that it has a strong biological basis (though possibly not genetic) and is no more harmful than heterosexual acts (especially since many things that hetero couples do are performed by homo couples).

Just because "everyone" says they do everything, doesn't make it so. I see no one in the bedroom taking notes.

 

[pandora3]

Quote:
in that they are drawn together by eye attraction, sexual performance and through the total sensual "experience".

Are you:

1) Speaking as a homosexual with experience in many relationships;

2) Referencing some psychological research (citation required); or

3) Making this up?

Quote:
They cannot conceive with each other (good father/mother material is out of the question). They are not liooking for spiritual fellowship.

Are you:

1) Speaking as a homosexual with experience in many relationships;

2) Referencing some psychological research (citation required); or

3) Making this up?

Quote:
They seek only sexual fulfillment of a hunger that they themselves encourage.

Are you:

1) Speaking as a homosexual with experience in many relationships;

2) Referencing some psychological research (citation required); or

3) Making this up?

I can't believe I'm: 1. De-lurking, and 2. attempting to put together these quotes in a first post...all because I'd love to hear the answer to those questions. Did I miss a reply in my newbieism?

And yes, I'm going back to the FAQ and testing area to increase my proficiency. 'Scuse me.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Honestly, and no offense but given your posts I can tell that what works for you would never work for me.

Given his attitude, clearly, it's not working for him either.

Why would I want to ever speak as you do? or see another human being as you do? No thanks.

Why would anyone?

If that's what Christs brings to your life, you can keep it. Who would want that for an eternity?

QFT.

 

[Notamonkey]

Key word "establish" nothing there about promoting or endorsing. The so called separation of church and state is not in the constitution. The government, after the ratification of the constitution used government money to promote and teach Christianity. They used land (Northwest Ordinance 1789) to that end. The govenment printed bibles for schools and used government buildings to hold sunday sevices. What our writers of the constitution ment was it was not a law that you MUST be a Christian.This country was not founded on religion but it has a strong Christian heritage. All branches of the military have chaplins so are they unconstitutional. The supreme court has the likeness of moses holding the ten commandments so I guess the supreme court is unconstitutional, how ironic. My son's elementary school still says "God" the the pledge. Call the ACLU!!! As late as 1982 there has been national days of prayer given by the president.

 

[Vene]

Just because "everyone" says they do everything, doesn't make it so. I see no one in the bedroom taking notes.

Do you want pictures? [I know that I can't post pornographic images here, nor would I]

 

[Wyzaard]

GOD is not fictional, especially if we are the only species that can reason the difference between good and evil (abstract moral reasoning)

How does this follow? Explain.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Key word "establish" nothing there about promoting or endorsing.

Actually, the word is "establishment," as in "Congress shall make no law respecting anestablishment of religion"...

The so called separation of church and state is not in the constitution. The government, after the ratification of the constitution used government money to promote and teach Christianity. They used land (Northwest Ordinance 1789)to that end.

Two years before the First Amendment was written, I see.

The govenment printed bibles for schools and used government buildings to hold sunday sevices.

They also declared that women couldn't vote, and that a black man was considered 3/5 of a human being. Nobody ever accused them of being infallible.

What our writers of the constitution ment was it was not a law that you MUST be a Christian.

What they meant was that no religious test of any kind should ever be required for any public office in the USA. At least, that's what they wrote.

This country was not founded on religion but it has a strong Christian heritage.

Nobody's denying that.

All branches of the military have chaplins so are they unconstitutional.

Christian Chaplains, Muslim Chaplains, Jewish Chaplains -- put in a requisition form and they could probably get you a Druid.

No religion gets special treatement aside form supply and demand.

The supreme court has the likeness of moses holding the ten commandments so I guess the supreme court is unconstitutional, how ironic.

Actually no, the likeness is wedged right in there between Hammurabi and Napoleon -- all famous lawgivers of history (and mythology).

My son's elementary school still says "God" the the pledge. Call the ACLU!!!

They've already been notified. Artificially putting God into the pledge was a part of 1950s McCarthyism. Perhaps the line should've read, "One nation, under Fear, with no scruples about doing whatever it takes, no matter how superficial, to prove we ain't no stinkin' commies."

As late as 1982 there has been national days of prayer given by the president.

See how long that lasts the if this country elects a Muslim president. If I prayed, I'd pray I live to see the day...

 

[LittleNipper]

How does this follow? Explain.

Well, you believe that the Bible is an old work of simple men, living in what is today the Near East. Now if that is true, then they would have no way of knowing that they were right when they made up that man was created above all other animals in the image of GOD. Scientists should have found that they were mistaken, and that there were/are other creatures that reason and think in the abstract, just like a god might. HOWEVER, the reality is that there in not another creature on earth equal with man, and so oddly, there is no explanation how some silly, dumb, backward, ignorant, clod hoppers, living thousands of years ago could have agreed with your assessment; that man is indeed the only species able to think and reason in the abstract ---- like a god should.....

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Well, you believe that the Bible is an old work of simple men, living in what is today the Near East. Now if that is true, then they would have no way of knowing that they were right when they made up that man was created above all other animals in the image of GOD. Scientists should have found that they were mistaken, and that there were/are other creatures that reason and think in the abstract, just like a god might. HOWEVER, the reality is that there in not another creature on earth equal with man, and so oddly, there is no explanation how some silly, dumb, backward, ignorant, clod hoppers, living thousands of years ago could have agreed with your assessment; that man is indeed the only species able to think and reason in the abstract ---- like a god should.....

or is it possible that only the most inteligent species on the planet is capable of writing a book with imaginative bits in?

 

[flatworm]

Well, you believe that the Bible is an old work of simple men, living in what is today the Near East. Now if that is true, then they would have no way of knowing that they were right when they made up that man was created above all other animals in the image of GOD. Scientists should have found that they were mistaken, and that there were/are other creatures that reason and think in the abstract, just like a god might.

1. How did abstract reasoning suddenly become equated with being "above other animals"?

2. We have since found animals that can best humans in tests of memory, recognize their own reflections in a mirror, fast-map words to objects using a process of elimination, create tools, pass on culture to their offspring, and can learn sign language.

3. Noticing that human beings are considerably smarter than other animals doesn't take a lot of scientific sophistication.

HOWEVER, the reality is that there in not another creature on earth equal with man, and so oddly, there is no explanation how some silly, dumb, backward, ignorant, clod hoppers, living thousands of years ago could have agreed with your assessment;

Ancient peoples were not stupid. The Egyptians built the pyramids, the Greeks discovered the earth was round, and even made a pretty good calculation of its circumference. Ancient Islamic scholars wrote treatises on breaking ciphers by character-frequency analysis.

Again, if there were another species on earth that was man's intellectual equal, ancient peoples would certainly have either had contact with them or had contact with those who had. It doesn't take a Ph.D. and a spectrophotometer to realize when a city-building, tool-using, language-inventing intelligent lizard or cat or rodent is talking to you.

Please, think!

 

[flatworm]

Spiritually fed Christian ethic effectively ended organized overt slavery in both England and the United States. One popular tune for the Women's Sufferage Movement was "Onward Christian Soldiers." The Women's Sufferage Movement and the Temperance League were historically linked to the Revival Movement of the second half of the 19th century.

You fail to mention this "Spiritually fed Christian ethic" was also the opposition to both abolition and women's suffrage.

I don't see how the Temperance movement is in any way morally commendable.

Try again.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

You fail to mention this "Spiritually fed Christian ethic" was also the opposition to both abolition and women's suffrage.

I don't see how the Temperance movement is in any way morally commendable.

Try again.

*sotto voce* and if we watch carefully, we can see littlenipper preparing to use an apologetic for slavery... probably something along the lines of "Biblical slaves weren't REALLY slaves..."

 

[RealityCheck]

Well, you believe that the Bible is an old work of simple men, living in what is today the Near East. Now if that is true, then they would have no way of knowing that they were right when they made up that man was created above all other animals in the image of GOD. Scientists should have found that they were mistaken, and that there were/are other creatures that reason and think in the abstract, just like a god might. HOWEVER, the reality is that there in not another creature on earth equal with man, and so oddly, there is no explanation how some silly, dumb, backward, ignorant, clod hoppers, living thousands of years ago could have agreed with your assessment; that man is indeed the only species able to think and reason in the abstract ---- like a god should.....

There are other creatures that reason and think in the abstract. Not at a human level, perhaps, but other primates are capable of reason and deductive thinking. In fact, apes are capable of abstract reasoning, and even higher monkeys like baboons are as well.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/10/011015055219.htm

Dogs and dolphins have also shown abilities in abstract reasoning.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Well, you believe that the Bible is an old work of simple men, living in what is today the Near East.

That pretty much sums it up.

Now if that is true, then they would have no way of knowing that they were right when they made up that man was created above all other animals in the image of GOD.

And neither they nor we have any way of knowing they were right.

Scientists should have found that they were mistaken, and that there were/are other creatures that reason and think in the abstract, just like a god might.

Are you claiming that Man = God?

HOWEVER, the reality is that there in not another creature on earth equal with man, and so oddly, there is no explanation how some silly, dumb, backward, ignorant, clod hoppers, living thousands of years ago could have agreed with your assessment; that man is indeed the only species able to think and reason in the abstract ---- like a god should.....

So, the ability to reason is all it takes to be a God? I knew Creationists had a low opinion of God, but I had no idea that the only thing separating them from the Almighty were simple problem-solving skills.

 

[Wyzaard]

Well, you believe that the Bible is an old work of simple men, living in what is today the Near East. Now if that is true, then they would have no way of knowing that they were right when they made up that man was created above all other animals in the image of GOD.

Yep... but then again, would have being right been as important to them as feeling empowered to take control of the environment as it's master? Most cultures have stories about how special mankind is, for better or worse, apart from other creatures; we like to feel we know where we came from, even if we don't really know... it gives us a sense of place, of importance.

Scientists should have found that they were mistaken, and that there were/are other creatures that reason and think in the abstract, just like a god might.

Ummm... why should they have found that? Different creatures adapted differently to their environments; our intelligence is our adaptation. And how would we know what a 'god' would be or wouldn't be?

 

[LittleNipper]

*sotto voce* and if we watch carefully, we can see littlenipper preparing to use an apologetic for slavery... probably something along the lines of "Biblical slaves weren't REALLY slaves..."

One would rather to be the slave of a Hebrew than a Roman anyday. If a Hebrew mistreated a slave, the slave was released.

 

[arnoldedward]

2 things littlenipper. Firstly England never had slaves, we sold them but we never had slavery in Britain.

Secondly, other animals have developed sentience, like humans. Apes have, as well as some of the larger octopi, to name but a few