Ur thoughts on Tithe.

[VonKarman]

Seems like a whole lot of 1 Fleshalonians up in here.

lol...


Just a lil joke...


Someone will get it.

 

[wild01]

hmm I guess I should repeat myself

Tithing was part of the law. We are no longer under the law.

HOWEVER,
We are called to be responsible for supporting those who minister to us, feed/clothe the poor and help spread the gospel. If you don't think you should be required to tithe you are right. If you don't think you need to help support your church financially, don't feel responsible for helping carry that load, you should take a serious look at your relationship with God. because this is a symptom of spiritual sickness.

 

[Nadiine]

As controversial as this subject is, I'm glad that it is here, so the truth can be revealed. In my last church, the tithe was pushed BIG TIME. Every Sunday and Wednesday, they would put on the projector screens the verses from Leviticus telling about the tithe, then the passage from the new testament saying " The LORD loves a cheerful giver ". To me, however, these two verses would be contradictiary. I have no hard feelings toward my old church, or to any other that has the same belief, but IMO this shouldn't be tought as dogma knowing that there is credible evidence in the new testament saying otherwise. I was full aware of these teachings, but I, as well as countless others trusted in the teaching of our respective churches. I am full aware of the fact that the church lives on donations only, and I will gladly give to any good cause, but my former church was located in a relatively poor community. Why would one bind a group of people to something knowing that it can have dire consequences for their personal lives? Its great to give, and everyone should, and letting go of one's money is a good way to separate yourself from your worldly possessions (as some churches who require the tithe use as a reason), but if we have to pay the tithe, alot more questions come to mind. I don't mean to open pandora's box, but if we have to give money against our will, does the Lord really love a cheerful giver, knowing some may be giving money that will buy their food? If we have to pay the tithe, is our salvation for sale? If we have to pay the tithe, that means it is law, so if we don't pay the tithe, aren't we sinning? Why would God hinge our relationship with Him on something we have little control over?

I understand your issues, however, this is one church out of millions.

They preach a tithe becuz they either:
1) BELIEVE ITS RIGHT
2) WANT YOUR $
- (knowing there is no NT tithe)​

It would be hard to find out what their true motive is.

Many churches teach a tithe... even tho I don't find it in the NT, I don't mind that the 10% is taught (even as if it's a guideline for an amt.)... mainly becuz I don't think giving God one dime out of $1.00 is exactly outrageous.

That leaves us 90%.

You ask if the Lord wants someone to give who doesn't WANT to give, that answer is no - but it doesn't say God is PLEASED if they don't want to give anything either. And I think it's dangerous to read such a notion into scripture.

The whole theme of the NT as far as giving goes, is that of the heart; doing all we do out of Love to the Lord; WE WANT TO GIVE, we want to give Him our best, help others and get the Lord's word spread.
Just as the poverty stricken lady gave all she had and Jesus said her tiny amount was MORE than everyone else gave becuz it was a sacrifice for her to give it.
Jesus SEEMED PLEASED that she gave sacrifically.

I wanted to point this out:

Why would God hinge our relationship with Him on something we have little control over?

God hinges our relationship w/ Him & even our rewards on Obedience to His commands not to sin... He DOES expect us to do something about what we have 'little control over'.
Stopping our sinning when it's our very nature to do so.

I think this question is problematic, but that you're right about no tithe in the NT.​

peace​

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[ronmathison]

Whatever you give to whomever,

please consider that

(before the New Covenant kicked in at Pentecost) ,

Jesus 'rebuked' those who 'gave to the temple' (corban),

as opposed to giving to/taking care of their parents.

Amen (in Greek: a-may-n) , to that.

to REALLY give MONEY to God,

one SHOULD NOT IGNORE ONE'S FAMILY , OR THE STARVING PEOPLE OF THE WORLD.

 

[ronmathison]

(Sigh)

All this talk about 'giving-money',

and being 'dipped-in-water',

and 'going to Sunday-buildings' ,


must SURELY confuse non-believers,

and take their eyes OFF of the true Gospel,


which is that Jesus died for us,

and that if one puts one's faith in Him,

and the price that HE PAID, one IS SAVED FOREVER.

However...

you KNOW who the 'author of confusion' is,

and WHY he would corrupt the message.

 

[ArmoredSoldier]

Leviticus 27:30-33 [SIZE=-1]30[/SIZE]"'A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD. [SIZE=-1]31[/SIZE]If a man redeems any of his tithe, he must add a fifth of the value to it. [SIZE=-1]32[/SIZE]The entire tithe of the herd and flock--every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd's rod--will be holy to the LORD. [SIZE=-1]33[/SIZE]He must not pick out the good from the bad or make any substitution. If he does make a substitution, both the animal and its substitute become holy and cannot be redeemed.'"

Numbers 18:21-28
[SIZE=-1]21[/SIZE]"I give to the Levites all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance in return for the work they do while serving at the Tent of Meeting. [SIZE=-1]22[/SIZE]From now on the Israelites must not go near the Tent of Meeting, or they will bear the consequences of their sin and will die. [SIZE=-1]23[/SIZE]It is the Levites who are to do the work at the Tent of Meeting and bear the responsibility for offenses against it. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. They will receive no inheritance among the Israelites. [SIZE=-1]24[/SIZE]Instead, I give to the Levites as their inheritance the tithes that the Israelites present as an offering to the LORD. That is why I said concerning them: 'They will have no inheritance among the Israelites.'" [SIZE=-1]25[/SIZE]The LORD said to Moses, [SIZE=-1]26[/SIZE]"Speak to the Levites and say to them: 'When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the LORD's offering. [SIZE=-1]27[/SIZE]Your offering will be reckoned to you as grain from the threshing floor or juice from the winepress. [SIZE=-1]28[/SIZE]In this way you also will present an offering to the LORD from all the tithes you receive from the Israelites. From these tithes you must give the LORD's portion to Aaron the priest.

Deuteronomy 26:12-13
[SIZE=-1]12[/SIZE]When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the alien, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied. [SIZE=-1]13[/SIZE]Then say to the LORD your God: "I have removed from my house the sacred portion and have given it to the Levite, the alien, the fatherless and the widow, according to all you commanded. I have not turned aside from your commands nor have I forgotten any of them.

2 Corinthians 9:6-7
[SIZE=-1]6[/SIZE]The point is this: the one who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and the one who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. [SIZE=-1]7[/SIZE]Each of you must give as you have made up your mind, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Proberbs 3:9-10

9 Honor the LORD with your wealth, "with the firstfruits of all your crops; 10 then your bars will be filled to overflowing, and your vats will brim over with new wine.

 

[ArmoredSoldier]

Mark 3:24-25 (NIV)

24If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

 

[ronmathison]

Leviticus 27:30-33 [SIZE=-1]30[/SIZE]

Numbers 18:21-28

Deuteronomy 26:12-13

Old Covenant Law.

Does NOT apply to a Christian.

Anyone UNDER the law, is under a CURSE

(Galatians 3:10)


You might as well teach people to NOT eat pork,

stone false-prophets, stay home on Saturday,

sacrifice animals,

and marry their brother's wives, if he dies.


That was all COMMANDED under the Law of Moses.

 

[wild01]

You ask if the Lord wants someone to give who doesn't WANT to give, that answer is no - but it doesn't say God is PLEASED if they don't want to give anything either. And I think it's dangerous to read such a notion into scripture.






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exactly

 

[christandisrael]

 

[HardRockShoe]

I personally have never seen a church that abused the tithe system, but if I did see a church representative that looked like s/he was living the good life, I would definitely think twice before giving any more money. Some people might just be well off from family wealth, or other means of income; just because they dress nicely or drive a nice car doesn't necesarily mean that they are stealing from the church.

Also, if you wife doesn't agree with giving the money away, then I would definitely get her permission first before giving it. Financial problems, espcially when times are tough can be very taxing on a relationship. When two people have very different ideas of how money should be spent and there isn't that much to go around, it's best to agree on your big expenditures.

 

[christandisrael]

We should only give if the Lord motivates us.

 

[christandisrael]

It's God's money.

 

[Quantos]

Quick question.

1) How often was tithes given back then ?
2) Did the livitical preasthood also give a thihe ? (I.E. the people that work for the church)

 

[Kelly]

The tithe supported the Levites.