Ur thoughts on Tithe.

[Nadiine]

Tithing was a LAW under the Old Covenant.

Christians are NOT under the law.

Christianity is NOT about MONEY , and about buying your way to heaven.

Pastor's driven by greed, will tell you that it is.

I've heard garbage like that myself come right from the

pulpit. Shame on them.

If anyone preaches another gospel...

I've also had non-Christian friends ask me why people

have to give money to get to heaven.

That IS the impression they're given modern-Christianity, as a whole.

Christianity is a FREE GIFT.

Jesus paid it all for us.

"It is FINISHED."

IF you must give money, please give it to the STARVING CHILDREN of the world.

Um..
Ok, so just close down ALL THE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES in America becuz we don't have to give any offerings since Christ's gift is "free"?

So... the ONLY churches that would be available to go to in America would be Buddhist temples, New Age churches, Mormon Churches, Kingdom Halls, Kabballah centers, Hindu churches & Islam mosques for spiritual help & leading?

Would you be ok with EVERY Christian church having to shut down becuz all Christians figured they didn't need to give a dime for it to afford to operate? (pay its rent/mortgage & bills)?

Becuz EVERY single pastor of every single church is "greedy"?
I'd be very careful with such judgments upon Shepherds in general as if you know their hearts & motives!
The bible says GOD appoints Shepherds & teachers for His flock.

Churches also do MANY things for their communities as well; they often feed the poor, they help single mothers with aid, they provide funeral & wedding services, give/find people work, visit the sick & needy, send missionaries out, give bible's to the poor, provide Godly counsel to citizens, and many other wonderful things.
THAT WOULD ALL END if everyone quite giving to their local church.

& I really hope you aren't implying that ALL Old Test. principles are DONE AWAY WITH just because Christ came; as if the entire OT is obsolete???

Principles and laws (from it) still continue & remain; sowing & reaping, seedtime & harvest, the curse from Genesis 3, & many other principles continue.

Some NT. verses on Giving to the Lord:​

Phil. 4:10-20 (paul thankful for the Phillipians supporting him financially),
1 Cor 16:1 (Paul takes collections for the Jewish Christians from gentile churches),
2 Corinthians 8-9 "ministering to the saints" by giving/ & corporate giving to the churches.
It speaks of WANTING to give... You're claim seems to be, since you don't "have" to give anything, then don't. In fact, the Pastors are all greedy & you shouldn't.
Plus these:
2 Cor 9:6 those who give sparingly will reap sparingly.
1 Tim 5:17-18 (paying pastors for their work)
1 Cor 9:13-14 Pastors make living from their work..
Luke 21:1-4 Woman w/ 2 mites gives all she had as "offerings to God", Jesus said she put in the most (even tho it was very little) becuz it's all she had.

That's why my post mentioned it isn't about how MUCH you give, but WANTING to give = attitude.
& that continues to be my Question... why wouldn't we WANT to give back to the Lord for all the blessings He gives us?
Don't we WANT the gospel to be proclaimed & spread?
Don't we WANT Christian churches thruout our communities as a light and place for the lost to go?

Since what we Give is private btwn. us & God, I won't say anymore other than to say, the Bible says we should want to return offerings to the Lord to further His kingdom -- I don't see it promoting giving ZERO becuz all the Shepherds are fleecing the flocks.
The NT gives definitive examples where people gave offerings to the church.

 

[ronmathison]

The churches in the bible

are never called buildings which require rent.

Jesus said where two or three are gathered together in His Name, in agreement, there is He in the midst.

Teachers in the bible were needed, because the bible had not yet been completed.


Also, Jesus says One is to be your teacher, and that is God.


He also tells Christians to not lord authority over one another.


Also, in 1 John, we're told that we have no need for anyone to teach us, but that the

annointing teaches us.



That sounds like a home-group to me.

Perhaps the self-exalted ones ,

who insist on teaching

and lording their authority over others in expensive buildings,

should find other sources of income,

and pay the rent themselves.


Perhaps then,

non-Christians will learn that salvation is a free-gift,

paid for by Jesus.


As I said before,

if you want to give money to God,

please feed the starving children of the world.

 

[Nadiine]

The churches in the bible

are never called buildings which require rent.

Jesus said where two or three are gathered together in His Name, there is He in the midst.

Teachers in the bible were needed, because the bible had not yet been completed.

He also says One is to be your teacher, and that is God.

He also tells Christians to not lord authority over one another.

Also, in 1 John, we're told that we have no need for anyone to teach us, but that the

annointing teaches us.



That sounds like a home-group to me.

Perhaps the self-exalted ones ,

who insist on teaching

and lording their authority over others in expensive buildings,

should find other sources of income,

and pay the rent themselves.


Perhaps then,

non-Christians will learn that salvation is a free-gift,

paid for by Jesus.


As I said before,

if you want to give money to God,

please feed the starving children of the world.

IT IS BECAUSE SALVATION IS A FREE AND WONDERFUL GIFT THAT GIVES US THE HEART TO GIVE BACK TO THE LORD WHO BLESSES US, TO TELL MORE PEOPLE ABOUT HIM.
WE GIVE OUT OF LOVE & GRATITUDE. (the whole point of 1 Cor 8-9)

Why not help other Christians - why do you choose this ONE type of charity when there are so many Christians in need? We're supposed to be wanting to help God's family (believers) in need as well.
I know many single mothers who are barely making it who our church helps directly! And other Christian ministries such as Radio, TV Internet & missionaries (just to name a few).

The earlist Christians met in HOME churches which taxes were paid on each home. I also showed you verses of direct examples where Paul took Financial offerings FROM churches to GIVE to other churches in need (who were under persecution) - and to GIVE cheerfully.

When we have direct examples of church finances being collected by an Apostle who was establishing the Gentile church (corporately), I can't fathom why they go ignored?
You seem to acknowledge some verses & examples in the bible that you feel suit your case, yet ignore all the ones I gave??

And I again ask you, WHERE DO THE LOST GO WHEN THEY SEEK SPIRITUAL HELP (when they physically need to get help by a REAL person)??
How do they FIND Christians, the fone book?

Since NO Christian establishments/churches would exist w/out funding to operate them, people would only have FALSE TEACHERS to go to (becuz their adherants GIVE OFFERINGS).
& How do you hold church services in homes today? It's illegal due to zoning laws w/ neighbors who complain about parking on their streets.

Where do we gather if not a large building of some sort where it's ZONED for a larger capacity of people w/ proper parking accomodations & insurance in case of accidents on the premisis!?
Do you propose Christians never go to any church or meet corporately together as a body anywhere?

And again, you continue to JUDGE the motives & hearts of ALL church Pastors today as "greedy thieves". (which you cannot possibly know).
You must be telling God that everyone He chose to watch over His flock is a thief?

IMO, your correlation between FREE salvation meaning we have no financial obligations in the Christian community after salvation, isn't justified (namely when the NT verses I gave you refute that directly by example of church offerings & guidelines).

Using the same premise of your argument, I can also say that Faith isn't works, so after faith (salvation), we don't have to do any (good) works or serve God & others anymore either.

At any rate,
It's clear that you've stated you don't believe in giving a dime & think every Pastor is abusing people for $$, so by all means, please don't give anything because He wants willful, Cheerful GIVERS.

Other people will step up to help ensure the Churches continue to stand in each community for those who are in need of spiritual or material help and that missionaries get sent out 'round the world (who bring aid to the poor w/ food, clothing & medical care).

 

[Nadiine]

The churches in the bible

are never called buildings which require rent.

Jesus said where two or three are gathered together in His Name, there is He in the midst.

Teachers in the bible were needed, because the bible had not yet been completed.

He also says One is to be your teacher, and that is God.

He also tells Christians to not lord authority over one another.

Also, in 1 John, we're told that we have no need for anyone to teach us, but that the

annointing teaches us.



That sounds like a home-group to me.

Perhaps the self-exalted ones ,

who insist on teaching

and lording their authority over others in expensive buildings,

should find other sources of income,

and pay the rent themselves.


Perhaps then,

non-Christians will learn that salvation is a free-gift,

paid for by Jesus.

Here's a quote from a guy on another thread that I'm involved with which goes to my beforementioned post: (http://www.christianforums.com/t3054368-unity.html)

When I lost the person I was closest to in life, I started searching for God with my whole heart. I had been raised in a religious environment, and even went to parochial school for eight years. I accepted what I had been taught about Christ, read the Bible, and led a moral life. When I faced the death of someone - so valuable -to me, I realized I did not know God. I knew the person who was suddenly gone from my life, was no longer here, but where had they really gone. I did not have a peace on what determined who went to Heaven and who did not. It was now real to me, a spiritual question - not a religious one. My search for truth, not just leaning on what I had been taught.

One day- in despair - I opened up the phone book.
I looked for a church to call for the answers I desperately needed.

(my emphasis used)
According to your views, THERE WOULD BE NO LOCAL CHRISTIAN CHURCHES IN HIS AREA TO LOOK UP OR GO TO.

Where was he to reach out for help when there's no corporate Christian establishment to be found?
People don't call up stranger's houses in naborhoods who meet in a basement with 2 or 3 other people & who have no idea of tiny "house churches" splintered everywhere.

In fact, MANY churches START OUT as small group-house gatherings & grow to the point where a larger building is necessary to fit the number of people attending the small house!
I know many churches that started that way.

You're also WRONG about there not being teachers who teach people God's word/truth.
There are numerous NT examples of TEACHERS teaching others about God in an authoratative position.

Acts 20:25-28 (Paul exhorts the Ephesian Elders).."Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you OVERSEERS TO SHEPHERD THE CHURCH OF GOD which He purchased with His own blood."
Phillip taught the Ethiopian (who didn't understand what he was reading) Acts 8, Paul taught, Apollos taught (Acts 18:24), Jesus told Peter "feed my flock",
1 Tim. 3 is a REAL problem for you - it gives proper Bishop & Elder guidelines FOR CORPORATE LEADERS OF CHURCHES who teach/lead the people,
1 Cor. 5, Paul gives guidelines on corporate Church discipline,
1 Cor 12:28 GOD appoints prophets & TEACHERS,
Eph. 4:11 Pastors & teachers appointed by GOD..
Even in the OT. God gave Shepherds over His people:
Jer. 23:1-2, Jer. 3:15, (had bad leaders in Ezek. 34:8, Jer. 50:6),

We're also commanded to Be baptised and take communion... do you do this alone without a Church??

I don't know what bible you have, but the examples I find all thru it & have shared here are directlly opposite your stated claims.
Maybe this is WHY God appoints teachers for us.

 

[Utah Knight]

I do not pay tithe either because we are to give to Ceaser what belongs to him. In otherwords we give the govenment what is theirs. Give to God what belongs to him wich IMO means we are to give God our life.

 

[Nadiine]

I do not pay tithe either because we are to give to Ceaser what belongs to him. In otherwords we give the govenment what is theirs. Give to God what belongs to him wich IMO means we are to give God our life

this amazes me ---
One quick aspect,... we should give $ to Ceasar (who uses it for EVIL that we dissaprove of & wastes it), yet DON'T give to God (via His people) WHO WOULD PUT IT TO RIGHTEOUS USE TO BLESS THOSE IN NEED AND/OR FURTHER THE KINGDOM??). *scratches head*

First off, in context, Jesus is talking about MONEY, you're assuming that He stopped talking about Money to mean your personal life? What qualifies you to insert THAT meaning when it's not the context?
If so, why can't I insert anything else I think He meant there instead of money?
Changing context like that could be seen as a bias; it suits a preference when the passage doesn't allow for it - not in any consistency! It is ADDING IN what isn't there).

Giving life to God... Well that's fine... but the Bible says that's just your REASONABLE SERVICE. (Rom 12:1)
That's actually not going out of your way or anything 'spectacular' to God; that's expected of all of us becuz our life is not even our own. It's HIS & we actually OWE IT TO HIM.

So why does the New Testament give us passage upon passage as to different aspects about corporate church financial offerings if it's not part of our duty or what we should be doing?

Why are these teachings & examples ignored? We readily toss out the EXAMPLES OF BAPTISM BY IMMERSION (& baptism of adults) to proclaim that Baptism by sprinkling isn't taught or infant baptism isn't exampled & so we should follow THOSE examples...
YET WHEN IT COMES TO GIVING AN OFFERING, WE bail ship as if they don't exist.

& Why this extreme aversion to financial giving? Do we have a problem serving the Lord when it COSTS US SOMETHING? When we have to sacrifice something dear?

Let me reiterate the Bible's stand on this:

Some NT. verses on Giving to the Lord:​

Phil. 4:10-20 (paul thankful for the Phillipians supporting him financially),
1 Cor 16:1 (Paul takes MANDATORY collections for the poor Jewish Christians from gentile churches),
2 Corinthians 8-9 "ministering to the saints" by giving/ & corporate giving to the churches.
It speaks of WANTING to give... You're claim seems to be, since you don't "have" to give anything, then don't. In fact, the Pastors are all greedy & you shouldn't.
Plus these:
2 Cor 9:6 those who give sparingly will reap sparingly.
1 Tim 5:17-18 (paying pastors for their work)
1 Cor 9:13-14 Pastors make living from their work..
Luke 21:1-4 Woman w/ 2 mites gives all she had as "offerings to God", Jesus said she put in the most (even tho it was very little) becuz it's all she had.

That's why my post mentioned it isn't about how MUCH you give, but WANTING to give = attitude.
& that continues to be my Question... why wouldn't we WANT to give back to the Lord for all the blessings He gives us?
Don't we WANT the gospel to be proclaimed & spread?
Don't we WANT Christian churches thruout our communities as a light and place for the lost to go?

I haven't and will not claim any amounts that "must" be given, incl. tithing 10% - that's unbiblical & none of my business!
But giving NOTHING back to God from the increase He's blessed us with isn't biblical either.

I find it interesting how SELECTIVE we can be in using our Bible's for examples when things suit us while we ignore others that aren't as easy.
It's ALL there & there for a purpose - it's part of God's ENTIRE counsel.

As I've stated, without GIVING OFFERINGS, there are no Christian churches that can function on earth. Mormons & JW's do this willingly, yet Christians find giving useless or offensive?? :o

 

[Utah Knight]

Well that's fine... but the Bible says THAT'S JUST YOUR REASONABLE SERVICE. (Rom 12:1)
That's actually not going out of your way or anything 'huge' to God; that's expected of all of us becuz our life is not even our own. It's HIS.

So why does the New Testament give us passage upon passage as to different aspects about corporate church financial offerings if it's not part of our duty or what we should be doing?

Why are these teachings & examples ignored? We readily toss out the EXAMPLES OF BAPTISM BY IMMERSION (& baptism of adults) to proclaim that Baptism by sprinkling isn't taught or infant baptism isn't exampled & so we should follow THOSE examples...
YET WHEN IT COMES TO GIVING AN OFFERING, WE bail ship as if they don't exist.

& Why this extreme aversion to financial giving? Do we have a problem serving the Lord when it COSTS US SOMETHING? When we have to sacrifice something dear?

Let me reiterate the Bible's stand on this:


I haven't and will not claim any amounts that "must" be given, incl. tithing 10% - that's unbiblical & none of my business!
But giving NOTHING back to God from the increase He's blessed us with isn't biblical either.

I find it interesting how SELECTIVE we can be in using our Bible's for examples when things suit us while we ignore others that aren't as easy.
It's ALL there & there for a purpose - it's part of God's ENTIRE counsel.

As I've stated, without GIVING OFFERINGS, there are no Christian churches that can function on earth. Mormons & JW's do this willingly, yet Christians find giving useless or offensive?? :o

Our service to Christ is by being a witness of his works and accepting him in our lives. The money we give to titheings is not for God or Jesus but for the church. God nor Jesus have no use for eartly belongings or money. Yes i donate money to my church but not through titheings but in other ways. I view tithings as not truely being for God but for his works therefore i do not donate to the titheing plate and not doing so means I do not give Titheing I do service for Jesus by placeing my money in a different manner and these are into special boxes one to get bibles for those who cannot and another for use for our church activities and dinners neither of these are considered titheings to my knowledge

 

[Nadiine]

Our service to Christ is by being a witness of his works and accepting him in our lives. The money we give to titheings is not for God or Jesus but for the church. God nor Jesus have no use for eartly belongings or money. Yes i donate money to my church but not through titheings but in other ways. I view tithings as not truely being for God but for his works therefore i do not donate to the titheing plate and not doing so means I do not give Titheing I do service for Jesus by placeing my money in a different manner and these are into special boxes one to get bibles for those who cannot and another for use for our church activities and dinners neither of these are considered titheings to my knowledge

Thanks so much for your clarification. I appreciate that and I'm very happy to hear it. There's lots of ways to give to Christian ministries, I agree w/ you there; you can give in lots of ways; not just to a local church.

I still stand by that post since it does pertain to many Christians who won't give a dime for whatever their reasons.
I only hope that in reading the verses in the NT, they'll change their minds to comply w/ it.

I agree w/ you, I don't think a 10% tithe is mandatory - I do think it's a good guideline since its' used in the OT. (and actually 10% tithe is a bare minimum; they also had to give over & above that thru food & animal sacrifice as well).
I go by that... but that's just me - nothing I 'enforce' on others; how much anyone gives is up to them & btwn them & God alone.

Anyways, thanks again for your post & clarification.
God's peace to you

 

[ranyhyn]

I've seen a lot of different things relating to "tithing" or giving back to the church. My own opinion on this matter is that if you are a Christian then you should be willing to give back to the church.

Some folks will say that tithing doesn't include just money. It can be related to a service you do for the church you belong to. Remember that the church is not the building it's the people.

Giving back to the church is something that should make every Christian feel good. I'm not saying that it's mandatory that you give back to the church with money. To me it's sad that some folks just show up on Sunday morning for the service put their check in the offering plate and go home afterwards.

I have to agree that when tithing with money it needs to be where you're giving back to God FIRST and trusting that he will provide. You have to have faith that God can do more with that 10% than you could ever do with the other 90%. I am not saying that if you give you'll be ensured a seat in heaven. The money you give has absolutely NOTHING to do with that. You can't buy your way into heaven or salvation.

Churches should also be about helping the local community. So by giving monetarily or through other ways to the church you can also serve your local community in the process. Give to local charities. Help by volunteering as a representative of your church. That could open the doors to salvation to someone that you may not even realize needs it.

Our pastor likes to end each service with a prayer that includes the words "may You send someone across our paths that we might minister the Word of God to and may you be a lamp for our feet and a light for our path."

 

[StevenL]

"As I've stated, without GIVING OFFERINGS, there are no Christian churches that can function on earth. Mormons & JW's do this willingly, yet Christians find giving useless or offensive??"

Now there's a silly statement. What difference does it make what Mormon's and JW's do? True... the false concept of todays "church" could not exist without "tithes and offerings", but...the SCRIPTURAL New Testament called-out assembly of holy people can do just fine without them. Our little assembly has done fine for many years without receiving or commanding one "tithe" or taking one "offering" (in the religious sense.)

The insistence by the "church" upon the false doctrines of church tithes and offerings just shows the almost complete lack of revelation knowledge concerning the New Covenant House of God. Very few christians even know what it is and what its "Food" consists of.

There is NO SUCH THING as a Levitical "tithe" in God's House today. "Offerings" in the OT scriptural sense DO NOT EXIST in the New Covenant order. Carrying the Old Covenant teachings of physical "tithes and offerings" into the New Covenant order makes one a False Teacher.....no less than the ones Paul called "dogs" and mutilators" who brought the commandment of Circumcision into the New Covenant assemblies.

May all of God's Priests receive the true knowledge of Who and What their Food is in God's House today.

May the mouths of those who continue to try to keep God's people in bondage to SHADOWS that have already been fulfilled....be stopped.

 

[Nadiine]

"As I've stated, without GIVING OFFERINGS, there are no Christian churches that can function on earth. Mormons & JW's do this willingly, yet Christians find giving useless or offensive??"

Now there's a silly statement. What difference does it make what Mormon's and JW's do? True... the false concept of todays "church" could not exist without "tithes and offerings", but...the SCRIPTURAL New Testament called-out assembly of holy people can do just fine without them. Our little assembly has done fine for many years without receiving or commanding one "tithe" or taking one "offering" (in the religious sense.)

Thus, why I wrote my prior Posts in such great detail.

Thus, why I gave scripture references that refute this directly. If Paul thought the saints would do "just fine" without offerings, he wouldn't have gone out collecting them from the other churches to distribute them to suffering saints elsewhere.

What's silly about my statement?? When Mormons & JW's give to their religions willingly & sacrificially, you rightfully acknowledge it enables their churches to grow and spread physcially.
(which is what Christian churches do when WE give offerings).
(sadly, it's much more than what some christians will give who claim to have the truth).

I won't reiterate my previous posts over & over, so if you care to read the details as to why it makes perfect sense, please do so. I see it as simple MATH.

I can't say that I quite understand what you mean by called-out assembly of holy people... if it's what I think you mean, my other posts address small home church issues.

Lastly, people can ignore or argue what our New Test. (and Old) teaches & examples regarding offering principles (which I listed), I for one will not.
While a tithe may not be mandatory any longer, the OT still teaches us important general principles that do still apply today post crucifixion; it's not entirely obsolete.
If you or others don't want to give, then please don't. God will find others with a willing heart to get His purposes accomplished.

 

[StevenL]

Thus, why I wrote my prior Posts in such great detail.

Thus, why I gave scripture references that refute this directly. If Paul thought the saints would do "just fine" without offerings, he wouldn't have gone out collecting them from the other churches to distribute them to suffering saints elsewhere.

What's silly about my statement?? When Mormons & JW's give to their religions willingly & sacrificially, you rightfully acknowledge it enables their churches to grow and spread physcially.
(which is what Christian churches do when WE give offerings).
(sadly, it's much more than what some christians will give who claim to have the truth).

I won't reiterate my previous posts over & over, so if you care to read the details as to why it makes perfect sense, please do so. I see it as simple MATH.

I can't say that I quite understand what you mean by called-out assembly of holy people... if it's what I think you mean, my other posts address small home church issues.

Lastly, people can ignore or argue what our New Test. (and Old) teaches & examples regarding offering principles (which I listed), I for one will not.
While a tithe may not be mandatory any longer, the OT still teaches us important general principles that do still apply today post crucifixion; it's not entirely obsolete.
If you or others don't want to give, then please don't. God will find others with a willing heart to get His purposes accomplished.

This thread is about "thoughts on tithe" not about gathering money to help holy people in need. So thus....my thought....the Levitical tithe does not apply to the Ekklesia of God. It no longer exists since the Levitical priesthood is no longer a valid institution. It has been superceded and its institutions, its "tithes and offerings" are no longer needed. The NT teaching about supporting the poor or the travelling "publishers of the Good News" has nothing to do with "tithing". No scripture will ever be found to refute that. No teaching for the New Covenant House concerning "tithing" EXISTS. Zero. Nada. No matter how much the "church" wishes it to be so....it simply is NOT so.

JWs and Mormons are building false temples and systems just as most "churches" are doing today. The Ekklesia, the Called-Out of God, are not told to "build churches" or even to "go to church". Those are completely false concepts perpetrated by a false "church"...keeps the funds coming in for the phony tabernacles and "ministries." The true people of God are not in competition with religious cults, including christian ones, to see who can give the most money to build the biggest "church."

The building of the New Covenant House of God has nothing to do with "simple math." It has to do with the revelation knowledge from the Spirit of Yeshua.

Most people don't understand the Called-Out Assembly. "Ekklesia" - translated, for some reason, "church"... means "called-out congregation". "Church" is a very lousy word to use as a translation for the one that the writers of the Scriptures actually used. But, churchmen and churchwomen, have historically shown a fine propensity to change God's words into those which best suit the ecclesiastical (man-made church) needs of the day, even in our day. God's people were never told by the apostles or prophets or God Himself to build this "thing" that we have today called "church"....much less to give 10% of their earnings to support the "thing" we were NOT told to build. It's ludicrous. But people really think this "thing" is in the Bible. Sorry, it's not. Never was. Never will be.

Church people and "tithers" have been ignoring what the Scriptures actually teach for thousands of years now in favor of what the "church" teaches. MUCH better to believe the Word and the Spirit of God rather than to believe the self-serving doctrines of the "churches." Again, there is no teaching whatsoever in the Bible for the New Covenant Body of believers regarding "tithing".

Your last sentence....how noble, how heroic...but irrelevant to the topic at hand. I've never yet failed to see a "tither" or a "giver of offerings in support of man's church" ASSUME that the people who refuse to bow to the false "tithing" or "church offering" doctrines don't give or do anything at all to support God's work. It's kinda funny really, if it weren't so borne out of ignorance and/or arrogance.

Man can give 100 trillion dollars in the next year, build 40 million new "churches", hire 80 milion new "pastors", and start 400 new TV ministries.....etc., and it still won't fulfill what Yeshua actually said HE was going to build and it will all still just burn in the Fire on that day.

So.....these are my thoughts on tithe.

When you see a need, meet it in love, without trying to fulfill some law. That's the New Covenant teaching on giving.

 

[ronmathison]

This thread is about "thoughts on tithe" not about gathering money to help holy people in need. So thus....my thought....the Levitical tithe does not apply to the Ekklesia of God. It no longer exists since the Levitical priesthood is no longer a valid institution. It has been superceded and its institutions, its "tithes and offerings" are no longer needed. The NT teaching about supporting the poor or the travelling "publishers of the Good News" has nothing to do with "tithing". No scripture will ever be found to refute that. No teaching for the New Covenant House concerning "tithing" EXISTS. Zero. Nada. No matter how much the "church" wishes it to be so....it simply is NOT so.

JWs and Mormons are building false temples and systems just as most "churches" are doing today. The Ekklesia, the Called-Out of God, are not told to "build churches" or even to "go to church". Those are completely false concepts perpetrated by a false "church"...keeps the funds coming in for the phony tabernacles and "ministries." The true people of God are not in competition with religious cults, including christian ones, to see who can give the most money to build the biggest "church."

The building of the New Covenant House of God has nothing to do with "simple math." It has to do with the revelation knowledge from the Spirit of Yeshua.

Most people don't understand the Called-Out Assembly. "Ekklesia" - translated, for some reason, "church"... means "called-out congregation". "Church" is a very lousy word to use as a translation for the one that the writers of the Scriptures actually used. But, churchmen and churchwomen, have historically shown a fine propensity to change God's words into those which best suit the ecclesiastical (man-made church) needs of the day, even in our day. God's people were never told by the apostles or prophets or God Himself to build this "thing" that we have today called "church"....much less to give 10% of their earnings to support the "thing" we were NOT told to build. It's ludicrous. But people really think this "thing" is in the Bible. Sorry, it's not. Never was. Never will be.

Church people and "tithers" have been ignoring what the Scriptures actually teach for thousands of years now in favor of what the "church" teaches. MUCH better to believe the Word and the Spirit of God rather than to believe the self-serving doctrines of the "churches." Again, there is no teaching whatsoever in the Bible for the New Covenant Body of believers regarding "tithing".

Your last sentence....how noble, how heroic...but irrelevant to the topic at hand. I've never yet failed to see a "tither" or a "giver of offerings in support of man's church" ASSUME that the people who refuse to bow to the false "tithing" or "church offering" doctrines don't give or do anything at all to support God's work. It's kinda funny really, if it weren't so borne out of ignorance and/or arrogance.

Man can give 100 trillion dollars in the next year, build 40 million new "churches", hire 80 milion new "pastors", and start 400 new TV ministries.....etc., and it still won't fulfill what Yeshua actually said HE was going to build and it will all still just burn in the Fire on that day.

So.....these are my thoughts on tithe.

When you see a need, meet it in love, without trying to fulfill some law. That's the New Covenant teaching on giving.

Great input!!!

Thanks!!!


I hate it when other

Christians try to


'hang the law of tithing

around other Christians necks'


Tithing after all was part of

the Old Covenant / Law of Moses ,

to which Christians are NOT under.


Galatians 3:10-11 tells us that anyone

under the law, is under a CURSE:


"All who rely on observing the law are under a curse,

for it is written:

"Cursed is everyone who does not continue

to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

Clearly no one is justified before God by the law,

because, "The righteous will live by faith."

(N.I.V.)


So...


Telling someone they

are required to pay a tithe,


is actually putting a curse

upon those who believe it.

 

[ronmathison]

"For I resolved to know NOTHING while I was with you

except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling.

My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words,

but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power,

so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power.

 

[messengerfrumabove]

welll ummm... God has always given me back the money that i pay to him in tithe and that's really what it's alol about!i umm really liked youre idea about paying the bills for ppl but the money is God's i mean you gotta first consider how that money was really meant tobe used! that's always something that's very importante, if you know what i mean! but just pray for your wife and her not understanding and i guess just ask God a bout the situation and he'll show you the answer!
good luck!
messengee

 

[Utah Knight]

Thanks so much for your clarification. I appreciate that and I'm very happy to hear it. There's lots of ways to give to Christian ministries, I agree w/ you there; you can give in lots of ways; not just to a local church.

I still stand by that post since it does pertain to many Christians who won't give a dime for whatever their reasons.
I only hope that in reading the verses in the NT, they'll change their minds to comply w/ it.

I agree w/ you, I don't think a 10% tithe is mandatory - I do think it's a good guideline since its' used in the OT. (and actually 10% tithe is a bare minimum; they also had to give over & above that thru food & animal sacrifice as well).
I go by that... but that's just me - nothing I 'enforce' on others; how much anyone gives is up to them & btwn them & God alone.

Anyways, thanks again for your post & clarification.
God's peace to you

your welcome i do agree with your post to a point people should donate some money to God but titheings is not the only way to do so but the question was directed to titheings so i answered it truthfully. If it was do you use money to help with Gods work the i'd have answered yes but now you all know my view on money and God thanx for reading my post

 

[Utah Knight]

Great input!!!

Thanks!!!


I hate it when other

Christians try to


'hang the law of tithing

around other Christians necks'


Tithing after all was part of

the Old Covenant / Law of Moses ,

to which Christians are NOT under.


Galatians 3:10-11 tells us that anyone

under the law, is under a CURSE:


"All who rely on observing the law are under a curse,

for it is written:

"Cursed is everyone who does not continue

to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

Clearly no one is justified before God by the law,

because, "The righteous will live by faith."

(N.I.V.)


So...


Telling someone they

are required to pay a tithe,


is actually putting a curse

upon those who believe it.

i agree.
The money i put forth in our bible and activities boxes does not go to the church but a far greater cause
and it is to help reveal Gods word to many who otherwise may not hear it nor see it we have many activites and we put flyers up and information in the the papers in order to draw the genral public in so that they too can see and read and understand Gods word we also have a titheing tray which receives hundreds of dollars weekly to keep up with the bills of our church however this does not go to God nor Jesus and it does not help in presenting the bible to others that may not have a chance of recieving one unless it is given to them but it is not required we pay into titheings

 

[MidnightCandel777]

Trust me, dude, there WILL be a price to pay for ANYONE who touches God's money...... pastor or not!

100 DOLLARS? That's quite a check you get if 100 dollars is 10% of your income.
That's all God wants: ten percent. Everything else is sacrifice. It's like my pastor says, "if you bring the tithe into the store house, then you will be blessed by good measure, pressed down shaken togerther, and running over."

But remember, if you rob or defraud God in any way then you will be cursed with a curse.
All this is in the bible. Check it out for yourself.


Peace

 

[wild01]

hmmm

As I said in here before
tithing is an old testement practice
offering is the new testament practice.
giving freely of your heart because you want to and because you feel a call on your life to spead God's word.

now that that is out of the way I want to address something I have noticed in here that does disturb me a bit.

It seems that some of you dislike the idea that your money could go to paying a pastor or renting a building for the church to meet in. I am puzzled by this.

If a congregation is large enough that it must rent or buy a building in order to meet, than who should pay for that building? If you don't think that it is your responsibility to support your churches building, than you shouldn't use that bulding.

as far as a pastor's pay goes Paul made it clear that a pastor should be able to depend on the body for support not only for himself but for his entire family. (see 1cor9 specifically verse 14)

 

[Utah Knight]

Trust me, dude, there WILL be a price to pay for ANYONE who touches God's money...... pastor or not!

100 DOLLARS? That's quite a check you get if 100 dollars is 10% of your income.
That's all God wants: ten percent. Everything else is sacrifice. It's like my pastor says, "if you bring the tithe into the store house, then you will be blessed by good measure, pressed down shaken togerther, and running over."

But remember, if you rob or defraud God in any way then you will be cursed with a curse.
All this is in the bible. Check it out for yourself.


Peace

Where does it still say we are to give titheing?