Updated: Positive Reputations Only

[Shekinahs]

I think I like the reputation and guestbook systems as they are. It's nice to give someone kudos on a particular post (reputation) and the guestbook is good for just leaving someone a nice note without clogging up their PM box.

Threads that involve abusing the rep system should be shut down. If reputations cause a poster to commit the sin of pride, they can disable their own reputation.

I agree it's nice when people what to acknowledge they like something you have said or if you helped someone on the board they thank you for it. Everybody likes appreciation. Nothing anti-Christian about that

 

[Tangnefedd]

As someone who does not not want blessing or reputation points, is there any way of not being given any?

 

[LynneClomina]

i like reputation points, because, generally, they indicate to me who has been around a long time and who kinda knows what they are talking about. kinda of like knowing who in your church is reputed to be a good person, full of the holyspirit, or whatever. i just like it. please notice i only have 25 rep points.... i am coming from a position of liking to know who has a good reputation, bacuase i might take their comments with little more seriousness. if you have people in a church known as deacons and elders, or ppl in a committee known as a chair or president, or whatever, why not here?

 

[ps139]

i like reputation points, because, generally, they indicate to me who has been around a long time and who kinda knows what they are talking about. kinda of like knowing who in your church is reputed to be a good person, full of the holyspirit, or whatever. i just like it. please notice i only have 25 rep points.... i am coming from a position of liking to know who has a good reputation, bacuase i might take their comments with little more seriousness. if you have people in a church known as deacons and elders, or ppl in a committee known as a chair or president, or whatever, why not here?

I agree Lynne. They do serve a purpose. Thats why abuses of the system should be stopped. In ""Emmas Drive By Reputating Club" I've seen people get hundreds of points in a day. I suspect that most people who have near 1000 rep points got them that way. But what about the guy who actually got 1000 rep points on his own, from people who thought his posts were worthy of them? He gets lumped in to the incredulity of the rest of them.

 

[LynneClomina]

oooooh, i totally agree with stopping the abuses. when i saw the drive-by reputing club i thought, this doesnt seem right. sigh.

 

[vibrant]

i like reputation points, because, generally, they indicate to me who has been around a long time and who kinda knows what they are talking about. kinda of like knowing who in your church is reputed to be a good person, full of the holyspirit, or whatever. i just like it. please notice i only have 25 rep points.... i am coming from a position of liking to know who has a good reputation, bacuase i might take their comments with little more seriousness. if you have people in a church known as deacons and elders, or ppl in a committee known as a chair or president, or whatever, why not here?

there was once a feature called 'experience' which was a much better gauge, because as other's have pointed out, reputations can be easily acquired and doled out for the fun of it. basically, this feature showed how long you've been a member (ex. 359 days) and how long you've been active (ex. 339 of those 359 days) and gave you a precentage. there was some aspect of levels to it, but that's basically how it went.

it's gone now though.

hm. just like to add that i wasn't exactly liking this system - positive only - when it was first proposed, but now i do.

 

[AngelAmidala]

As someone who does not not want blessing or reputation points, is there any way of not being given any?

Reputation points I think you figured out. You just disable that in Options in your User CP. (It looks like you've done that as well.

As for blessings, unfortunately no. Because you receive blessings automatically for every post you make. Best thing to do with blessings is just give them away when you see that you have some.

 

[* kittie *]

about the drive-by thread.

if it makes people feel good...then why not? what's wrong with it.

now if you don't like it, you can choose to stay out of it.

but i think the points, even if earned through one thread, can be encouraging to some.

 

[LynneClomina]

about the drive-by thread.

if it makes people feel good...then why not? what's wrong with it.

now if you don't like it, you can choose to stay out of it.

but i think the points, even if earned through one thread, can be encouraging to some.

but it ruins the whole rep system.... a person should EARN it tho, not be just "given" it for fun. a person should earn it through showing their wisom, temperence, etc....

 

[ps139]

about the drive-by thread.

if it makes people feel good...then why not? what's wrong with it.

now if you don't like it, you can choose to stay out of it.

but i think the points, even if earned through one thread, can be encouraging to some.

The Drive by thread is a blatant abuse of the reputation system. It is like cheating. As I said before, if someone has a lot of reputation and actually earned it with insightful and charitable posts, there is no way of knowing that he or she didnt get it from making a few "Hi guys" posts in the Drive By Reputating forum. (It should be "reputing" anyway lol). It makes high #s of rep points pretty much worthless, as you never know if its an indicator of someone's knowledge and charity or if they just happened to post in some thread. There are plenty of threads that encourage people on CF, without having to cheat and abuse the reputation system.

 

[Erwin]

The Drive by thread is a blatant abuse of the reputation system. It is like cheating. As I said before, if someone has a lot of reputation and actually earned it with insightful and charitable posts, there is no way of knowing that he or she didnt get it from making a few "Hi guys" posts in the Drive By Reputating forum. (It should be "reputing" anyway lol). It makes high #s of rep points pretty much worthless, as you never know if its an indicator of someone's knowledge and charity or if they just happened to post in some thread. There are plenty of threads that encourage people on CF, without having to cheat and abuse the reputation system.

That's true.

On the one hand, I want to allow members some innocent harmless fun. On the other hand, we need to enforce the reputation system we have.

It's a tough dilemma.

 

[mesue]

but it ruins the whole rep system.... a person should EARN it tho, not be just "given" it for fun. a person should earn it through showing their wisom, temperence, etc....

If you question a person's reputation, go view their threads. Chances are that if they've been to Emma's Drive by Reputing Club (I think that's what it's called without going to look) then you know just where the rep came from.



Does a person’s reputation make you admire someone's post more if their reputation is high? What if the same exact words of wisdom were by someone with a significantly less reputation? Do you admire them less? The words are the same. Wisdom doesn't come from a high reputation score.

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 1:7

For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. Proverbs 2:6


Some of us don't choose to go to the threads that require us to show our wisdom and temperance. I got tired of the pomposity I have found there and rarely go to those threads anymore.
However, I do love my friends at Emma's and the fellowship I have found there. We would love to fellowship with you ther too, LynneClomina, and anyone else that wants to. It's much more than a place to increase your reps. If it wasn't it wouldn't have lasted this long.


I praise my Sovereign God that I didn't have to earn my salvation and that it was just given because I asked Him.

God Bless.
mesue

 

[ps139]

If you question a person's reputation, go view their threads. Chances are that if they've been to Emma's Drive by Reputing Club (I think that's what it's called without going to look) then you know just where the rep came from.

I don't think that should be necessary. If someone got all their rep there 4 months ago nobody is going to feel like searching through their post history. Basically, a rep like that is just misleading, and not what the rep system was designed for.

Does a person’s reputation make you admire someone's post more if their reputation is high? What if the same exact words of wisdom were by someone with a significantly less reputation? Do you admire them less? The words are the same. Wisdom doesn't come from a high reputation score.

I will look more closely at someone's post if theres a high reputation. Also I'll sometimes look at past posts, to see what other good insights they have. But I no longer do this with 1000+ rep because I give them no credence due to the abuses. If someone has a low rep, and awesome posts, its likely that they recently joined. I always look at the post count. I give reputation points out a LOT, but only to someone who IMO has earned it. Wisdom does not come from a high reputation score and I do not think anyone was implying that. But a rep should be a decent indicator of someone's posts. The general complaint is that the Drive By makes misleading reputation levels, and abuses the system.

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 1:7

My favorite OT verse

Some of us don't choose to go to the threads that require us to show our wisdom and temperance. I got tired of the pomposity I have found there and rarely go to those threads anymore.

However, I do love my friends at Emma's and the fellowship I have found there. We would love to fellowship with you ther too, LynneClomina, and anyone else that wants to. It's much more than a place to increase your reps. If it wasn't it wouldn't have lasted this long

Im sure there is great fellowship there, as in the many other threads (for example, Reillys Pub in the OBOB forum - been around forever) that do not give out reputation points just for making a post that says "Hi guys." Its totally unnecessary, and misleading, and an abuse.


Erwin, you run this board really, really well. How to solve the tough dilemma is up to you. When you mentioned harmless fun, the arcade is an awesome place for some harlmess fun!!! And like I mentioned before, other fellowship threads are great and last long. They are fine and do not abuse the system like the Drive By. Its not as if harmless fun couldn't be had if reputation abuses were stopped. There are so many great places on this site.

 

[lady in waiting]

mesue is right!

 

[FarFromHome]

Personally I don't see how killing the drive by thread would stop this. I've gotten quite a bit of my rep from passing out blessings in the blessing thread. Until you're able to stop people from giving rep except for valid cases, you're going to have this problem (which I don't believe is all that big a deal).

So what are the solutions? I don't know, but the only way I could see to stop people from passing out random rep would be to:
1) either kill the rep system itself
2) to have the mod's check that every rep is warranted

I don't think that either of these solutions will fly...

 

[BigToe]

As someone with a lot of reputation points I feel "called" to post here. Yes, I have gone in Emma's a lot, but a good large protion of my rep points come from other threads. Emma's Drive By Reputating Club (a joke for those involved in the thread, yes, we are aware that is not a word) is a save "haven" for some people to come and relax. People share things about their day, whats going on in their life, what their struggles are, what praises they have. The comments given with points are always, for me anyway, associated with the post for which they are given. If I talk about having a bad day, if I get rep that day the people post a little prayer and words of encouragement. If I share something great God is doing in my life, they post praises along with mine. It is a nice way to write someone a quick little note. And it takes less time than writing a PM or posting in someone's guestbook.

The comments I get on Emma's are reflective of the comments I get anywhere else. If I say something deep someone says Hey good point, thanks for sharing. If I say something thats not so biblically correct, someone writes me a note saying hey check this out for more information on that subject. If I stand up for someone, they can write me a note saying thanks. I get the same type of comments on all rep comments regardless from where they come.

If you don't want those rep points don't go in there. If you don't want to rep someone that posts in there then don't rep them. I don't think its abuse of the system. You may say I claim that only because I have a lot, but take mine away and I still don't care. People can give out reps for whatever reason they want. If we can have games to give out blessings and that be considered harmless, why can people not give out reps to whomever they want?

 

[ps139]

Just for the record: Contrary to what someone posted in a certain thread, I am not trying to get the Drive By thread closed down. I just do not like when people completely abuse the reputation system, for reasons I explained already.
Closing that thread down will not do anything. Getting rid of the reputation system altogether would be stupid - like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Not necessary at all. And you are right, it would be impossible for the mods to check each reputation given, thats out of the question.

Blessings can be gotten by donating to the site, winning first place in the arcade etc, they're not related to this issue at all. I do not go in that thread and I do not give points to people who look like they do. I've seen the pages, and it doesn't look to me like there's much theology being talked about there as you imply. Not that thats a bad thing, just don't make it out to seem like more than it is. Have fun in there, I just do not see why rep points are so essential to that fwllowship thread, when others of the same type work fine without abusing the system.

I like seebs idea of the guestbook rep system. Or perhaps if people respected the system and did not abuse it I would have no complaints. My point has been made, its up to Erwin if he wants to address this somehow.

 

[mesue]

when I said ...

If you question a person's reputation, go view their threads. Chances are that if they've been to Emma's Drive by Reputing Club (I think that's what it's called without going to look) then you know just where the rep came from.

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I don't think that should be necessary. If someone got all their rep there 4 months ago nobody is going to feel like searching through their post history...

then you said ...

I will look more closely at someone's post if theres a high reputation. Also I'll sometimes look at past posts,

While you're there, looking in there past posts that shouldn't be necessary to look at, look for posts in Emma's. You don't have to read the posts, just note them.

But I no longer do this with 1000+ rep because I give them no credence

are you saying that people that have more than 1000 rep points, who post elsewhere in CF have no credibility? You know this ... how?


If you'll look in your user CP you'll see the comments people make when they increase your reputaion. I count these messages as some of my many blessings. These notes from my friends bring a smile to my face. I don't want to lose that.
I don't need green dots to decipher wisdom from prattle, but the green dots are bonus

 

[ps139]

are you saying that people that have more than 1000 rep points, who post elsewhere in CF have no credibility? You know this ... how?

I do not know where they post but I am not going to read through all of their posts deciding whether their reputation is valid or not, I do not have that much time to waste. So, seeing 1000+ points, and not checking their post history (which nobody should be expected to), I see the 100+ points as a joke. Thats my point. (There is one member here to whom this does not apply, he earned them - but I know him well - what about people that do not?)




If you are confused by what I said before, re-read it.
I do not want to get in a debate with a whole group of people in the Announcements forum. So, if you really want to continue this, pm me.

 

[mesue]

I do not want to get in a debate with a whole group of people in the Announcements forum. So, if you really want to continue this, pm me.

I don't have time for a debate. I homeschool my children and work full time. For these reasons alone do I love Emma's, and feel very protective of it. PMing takes too long.