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After my last thread I found this is definitely my major issue. .. As I stated in the last thread. I want what I want when I want it lol ... I know that's not good.

But I'm being honest...this is where I am now. I know need to change but I just feel like if I do all of what God wants .... I'll just be miserable .... Because I feel I can't have anything since I have to say no to myself all the time.

Just makes doing God's will a bit unappealing.

How do I change this?
 

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I want what I want when I want it lol ... I know that's not good.

Me too! That’s human nature. Unfortunately, we will never get it.

You said “if” you try to do what God wants then you’ll be miserable. Have you tried it? I think you’ll be surprised.

Without specifics it’s hard to know what you mean, but I will definitely tell you that when I stopped fighting God and surrendered to his will (as best I could tell) my life got much better! In fact, I got what I really wanted.

Try it and see.
 
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Me too! That’s human nature. Unfortunately, we will never get it.

You said “if” you try to do what God wants then you’ll be miserable. Have you tried it? I think you’ll be surprised.

Without specifics it’s hard to know what you mean, but I will definitely tell you that when I stopped fighting God and surrendered to his will (as best I could tell) my life got much better! In fact, I got what I really wanted.

Try it and see.

Yeah I did try. It lead to a blow out with someone who was supposed to be close to me kinda blowing up on me ( don't want to go into setails) but it left me confused... I kept asking God to take the anger I had for the person away... And it seemed like he never did... Idk.

That situation ended badly.
 
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Me too! That’s human nature. Unfortunately, we will never get it.

You said “if” you try to do what God wants then you’ll be miserable. Have you tried it? I think you’ll be surprised.

Without specifics it’s hard to know what you mean, but I will definitely tell you that when I stopped fighting God and surrendered to his will (as best I could tell) my life got much better! In fact, I got what I really wanted.

Try it and see.
I think my worst fear is that I'll just keep dying to myself and I just won't get anything out of it at all.
 
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I could write volumes on anger and resentment and what seemed like God’s deaf ear to set me free. Eventually he did and it certainly wasn’t how or when I wanted. In the end though, it couldn’t have worked out better.

In my particular situation, I was in the right, that wasn’t the question. However, my anger, resentment and lack of forgiveness tortured ME. Clearly that was wrong and sin on my part. I spent 4 years of my life thinking about and hating 4 people, they spent probably less than 4 minutes thinking about me.

I heard a life changing sermon on Grace and how many of us want and receive it but aren’t willing to give it. Then I heard someone talk about unforgiveness and how he finally asked God to allow him to see others as God sees them. That changed him and me (eventually).

I don’t know if this applies or is helpful, but I hope so.
 
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Yeah - Farside, I totally get what you are saying. I have been there myself.

But I found that in me, the reason I was afraid to let go was I had a wrong picture of God in my head. Instead of a loving father that hurts and grieves along with us, I pictured a legalistic despot sitting on the throne of the Most High.

But the more I realized HE is not that hard nosed guy ready to smack us down when we screw up; but is instead trying to help us at every step; the easier it got to let go.

I am still not there 100%, but I am a lot farther along that way than I was even a few years ago.
 
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But I found that in me, the reason I was afraid to let go was I had a wrong picture of God in my head. Instead of a loving father that hurts and grieves along with us, I pictured a legalistic despot sitting on the throne of the Most High.

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Yeah I have a very wrong view of God. I don't want to go. Into details but a lot of times I feel He doesn't want me to be happy or doesn't care that I'm unhappy. I could be depressed but as long as Im doing what God wants... he's happy.

IDK. It just doesn't seem fair to me.
 
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Yeah I have a very wrong view of God. I don't want to go. Into details but a lot of times I feel He doesn't want me to be happy or doesn't care that I'm unhappy. I could be depressed but as long as Im doing what God wants... he's happy.

IDK. It just doesn't seem fair to me.
Well, I can tell you precious sister that the idea you have is entirely wrong. And that "god" you have in your imagination is not fair at all.

Time to swap out the fake news for some TRUTH.

Romans 8:31
What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?​

Does that sound like an unfair ogre? He loved us enough, rather he loved YOU, Farside, enough to send Jesus to die for YOU.

Even if you were the ONLY person from all of time and eternity that would ever respond to His offer - Jesus would have come and died for YOU.
 
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There is truly only one real wise answer to this "Far Side of the Moon" and hear me on this. When The Almighty goes to Judge you and He decides to discipline you for your behavior you will know right from wrong. The bible says that fearing God is the beginning of knowledge. If you don't fear God now and you are okay with your sinful behavior you will surely be corrected. But be encouraged "Far Side of the Moon" The Lord disciplines those he loves!
 
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After my last thread I found this is definitely my major issue. .. As I stated in the last thread. I want what I want when I want it lol ... I know that's not good.

But I'm being honest...this is where I am now. I know need to change but I just feel like if I do all of what God wants .... I'll just be miserable .... Because I feel I can't have anything since I have to say no to myself all the time.

Just makes doing God's will a bit unappealing.

How do I change this?

When I was younger I found myself with those issues. A prayer of mine was;

Lord I’m willing to be made willing. He honored that prayer, and I walk with Him today.

Prayers and blessings,

Much love in Christ, Not me
 
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After my last thread I found this is definitely my major issue. .. As I stated in the last thread. I want what I want when I want it lol ... I know that's not good.

But I'm being honest...this is where I am now. I know need to change but I just feel like if I do all of what God wants .... I'll just be miserable .... Because I feel I can't have anything since I have to say no to myself all the time.

Just makes doing God's will a bit unappealing.

How do I change this?
You change it by confessing the sin of lack of faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God (Heb 11.6). We are told to trust in the Lord and not lean on our own understanding, but to acknowledge Him in everything, and He will make our paths straight (Pr 3.5-6).

It is one thing to believe God exists. It's another thing to believe Him, and what He has told us in His word. He promises to care for us because He loves us; which negates your statement that you'll just be miserable if you trust Him. But then He asks you, "Do you believe that I am able to do this?" (Matt 9.28). And then, "According to your faith, let it be done to you" (Matt 9.29). And what He then does is always much greater than anything you could have done for yourself.

How do you have faith? By choosing it. It is all up to you. God doesn't force it on you, you are responsible to make the first move. Dying to yourself means that you take up your cross daily and follow Him (Luke 9.23).

The sad thing is that most people choose to remain their own gods, by choosing their own way (Matt 7.13-14). That leads to destruction. God gives each of us the ability to choose Him over our own selfishness.

Which will you choose?
 
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After my last thread I found this is definitely my major issue. .. As I stated in the last thread. I want what I want when I want it lol ... I know that's not good.

But I'm being honest...this is where I am now. I know need to change but I just feel like if I do all of what God wants .... I'll just be miserable .... Because I feel I can't have anything since I have to say no to myself all the time.

Just makes doing God's will a bit unappealing.

How do I change this?

When Israel returned to the LORD, they were greiving over their sins. God made a statement and he said "today is not a day to be sad, for the joy of the LORD is your strength". God actually wants us to have joy in our lives. The OT blessings apply to us as Christians, and they were good things, being blessed as you come in and blessed as you go out. Blessed in your needing bowl, blessed in your flocks. Even Jesus said that those who leave anything in this world, will have it multipled in this time, but the provision was "with persecution".

Generally your life as a believer should be full of good, and even good worldly things. There is no need to be miserable, for the "joy of the LORD is your strength". Anything that crushes your spirit is not of God. God want you happy. Sure there will be times you must deny yourself, but not in every little minute detail of life.
 
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After my last thread I found this is definitely my major issue. .. As I stated in the last thread. I want what I want when I want it lol ... I know that's not good.

But I'm being honest...this is where I am now. I know need to change but I just feel like if I do all of what God wants .... I'll just be miserable .... Because I feel I can't have anything since I have to say no to myself all the time.

Just makes doing God's will a bit unappealing.

How do I change this?

You don't. God does.

Can a man crucify himself? Even if he was able to endure the agony of nailing his feet and then one of his hands to a cross, how would he pound in the final nail? It's impossible to do alone! This is true spiritually, as well. No man can crucify himself.

So, God did the crucifying for us. Read Romans 6. Or Galatians 2:20, or Galatians 5:24, or Colossians 3:3. If you are a truly born-again person, you have been crucified with Christ and your "old man/woman," the source of all your sin, has been rendered powerless to cause you to sin. Do you believe it? It's a fact of your identity in Christ, your spiritual position in him. But what is true of your spiritual position has to be made part of your daily condition, the way you live every day. This is done first by knowing who you are in Christ and then, by faith, living in accord with who you are in him. Paul calls this "reckoning." (Romans 6:11)

Dying to sin, dying to Self, in your daily condition is something one does only when one truly loves God. Loving God, though, requires that we stop loving ourselves. There is no room, you see, on the throne of your heart for yourself and God. You have to go. That's the "deal" when you become a Christian, though few are told this these days when the Gospel is preached to them. Being saved involves an exchange: Your lousy, sinful, Self-centered life is given up for a new, holy life in Christ.

Matthew 16:24-26
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?


There is only one thing powerful enough to motivate us into the crucified life of a disciple of Jesus: love. This is why God's First and Great Commandment to us isn't to pray, or read the Bible, or go to church, but to love Him with everything we've got. (Matthew 22:36-38)

Right now, you love yourself more than you love God. This will only change as God works in your heart and mind and transforms your thinking and desires. He does so, though, only as you ask Him to - and keep asking 'til He does.

God isn't out to ruin your fun. He is, after all, the Creator of humor, chocolate, sunsets and sex. His way of living is the very best way to live. He should know, right? He's God. His way protects you and puts you in the stream of His blessing. Most of all, though, living God's way allows you to fellowship with Him. If you'll do things God's way, you will get to enjoy Him every day! Nothing is better than that (though you may not yet believe it)!

Revelation 3:20
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.


John 10:9-10
9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.
 
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After my last thread I found this is definitely my major issue. .. As I stated in the last thread. I want what I want when I want it lol ... I know that's not good.

But I'm being honest...this is where I am now. I know need to change but I just feel like if I do all of what God wants .... I'll just be miserable .... Because I feel I can't have anything since I have to say no to myself all the time.

Just makes doing God's will a bit unappealing.

How do I change this?

Yeah, some people are too self-willed. One good example is my father. He does what he wants to do no matter what the consequences are. Now don't misunderstand, he didn't do anything immoral only that not listening to others advice (if it is wise) could be self destructive. You might think you got what you wanted and God is so inhibiting. But if you do what you want when you want it will land you in a mess later on in life and you will end up being a laughing stock in front of others.
 
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Mat 7:13-4 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The Lord requires of any that would follow Him that we must deny our own will, otherwise we are not worthy of Him: the wide and gate and the broad way is as a movie theater that many want to go into, because its theme is filled with all manner of self, all the things that the carnal mind yearns for: contrariwise the strait gate and narrow way is as the other movie theater in which few seek for, because its theme only has things that are not of our own will, but only what the spiritual mind yearns for.
 
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ust makes doing God's will a bit unappealing.

The call is to be 'perfect as God is perfect!'

Fortunetly Jesus knows how weak we are and understands us.
It means then that he wants us to try and try again and again and again.
If you aim at nothing one achieves nothing. Aim at the target and you'll start getting close.
 
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When Israel returned to the LORD, they were greiving over their sins. God made a statement and he said "today is not a day to be sad, for the joy of the LORD is your strength". God actually wants us to have joy in our lives. The OT blessings apply to us as Christians, and they were good things, being blessed as you come in and blessed as you go out. Blessed in your needing bowl, blessed in your flocks. Even Jesus said that those who leave anything in this world, will have it multipled in this time, but the provision was "with persecution".

Generally your life as a believer should be full of good, and even good worldly things. There is no need to be miserable, for the "joy of the LORD is your strength". Anything that crushes your spirit is not of God. God want you happy. Sure there will be times you must deny yourself, but not in every little minute detail of life.
Well something must be terribly wrong with my life... Because I feel like it's every minute I have to deny myself ... Also my situation isn't the best which leads me to being unhappy. I see others being blessed with simple things I want and it just feels unfair.
 
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After my last thread I found this is definitely my major issue. .. As I stated in the last thread. I want what I want when I want it lol ... I know that's not good.

But I'm being honest...this is where I am now. I know need to change but I just feel like if I do all of what God wants .... I'll just be miserable .... Because I feel I can't have anything since I have to say no to myself all the time.

Just makes doing God's will a bit unappealing.

How do I change this?

As I say often, the Sanctification Process can be a rough one (very rough).
Yes we are self centered -- one of the daily battles up top the mountain.
Ask for guidance and mercy often -- for sure we need much help.
As we fight the devil and the world and the flesh -- we will be busy!
Finish the Good Race -- of most importance.
MB
 
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In this life I have had so much pain and so much joy. I have had equal amounts of pain and joy.
So I say that this life we live is completely good and completely bad. But at the end we have the ability to proclaim that this life is overall good. We have the grace to forgive all and by doing this we have the power to declare that this life was for a good reason.
 
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I agree with a lot of the statements here. Sanctification is a rough road but I do believe that it will all be worth it. I have many of your same struggles my friend and there is a lot of deprivation (at times). I would ask, do you feel the Holy Spirit is a part of your life and guiding your life? For me I often find the Holy Spirit is a comfort to me but there are also times when I feel spiritually dry.

I think of us as toddlers in Christ that are being weaned from our mother. There is going to be a time when you crave the milk of this world and you're going to fuss for a while until you grow up and mature (speaking upon my own experience). However there is a real peace that you get as you move away from the things of this world and towards the things of God (and Heaven). There is really nothing to compare to the spiritual experience of knowing God more completely.

I think one issue you might have is that you're comparing yourself to others and wanting what they have. It may be that the Lord does not feel such things would be helpful to you at this time (very hard to accept I know). If you can accept that and focus on the things you do have and pray for contentment and a willing spirit that may be helpful to you.
 
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