Universe is not homogeneous as far as we know

[Chalnoth]

Putting aside your bible for now, what reasons do you have to doubt that they are consistent? Can these be demonstrated or shown as astronomical observations?

Because if they were consistent, then the Bible would be wrong. And we can't have that, can we?

 

[dad]

Because if they were consistent, then the Bible would be wrong. And we can't have that, can we?

And you don't have that. So?

 

[dad]

So none then.

No. So all then.

As I said, lets leave ancient cultures and superstition out of the equation.

Let's leave modern fables out.

If the laws were not consistent, we should see it when we do astronomy, so you are incorrect on that point.

You need to look at how you do astronomy.

First off, unless space were the same as earth space far away, all distances (hence star sizes, composition, expansion, etc) are gone.

 

[Chalnoth]

And you don't have that. So?

Thank you for confirming what I wrote. You believe the Bible is inerrantly true, and therefore anything that disagrees with it must be false. So you make up convoluted explanations in an attempt to explain how a universe that looks billions of years old can actually be thousands of years old.

So why is your god such a liar that he would make a universe look billions of years old look like it is only thousands? I mean, I thought this forum frowned on blasphemy, but here you are claiming your god is as deceptive as they come.

 

[driewerf]

I doubt that earth laws and forces and light and space exist across the universe. Anyone have proof they do?

SN 1987A

 

[Chalnoth]

SN 1987A

Granted, that was only 168,000 light years away, so hardly across the universe. But it's more than far enough to knock down dad's weird ideas.

 

[VehementisDominus]

If it is an issue to you, learn about them. They are undeniable. Astounding. Mostly already fulfilled.

Then give me one.

One single prophecy that fits the criteria I set out to determine whether divinely inspired or if it's just nonsense.

If they're so undeniable and astounding, it should be a breeze, right?

Then why is the only prophecy you've given us self-contained in the Bible and can't be externally verified?

 

[AV1611VET]

Then give me one.

Israel becoming a nation again.

 

[VehementisDominus]

Israel becoming a nation again.

B) Something completely out of the hands of mankind, for example, a hurricane, an earthquake, a volcanic eruption, a tsunami, etc. This means that it can't possibly be self-fulfilling.


Try again.

 

[Davian]

Putting aside your bible for now, what reasons do you have to doubt that they are consistent? Can these be demonstrated or shown as astronomical observations?

Because if they were consistent, then the Bible would be wrong. And we can't have that, can we?

I was saying that until we have more evidence, for the purposes of dad's thread, his bible is irrelevant.

 

[Davian]

No. So all then.

All then what?

Let's leave modern fables out.

Agreed. We only looking at the data.

You need to look at how you do astronomy.

First off, unless space were the same as earth space far away, all distances (hence star sizes, composition, expansion, etc) are gone.

From the data we collect, it appears to be consistent, and astronomy works with that until someone can show otherwise.

 

[dad]

Granted, that was only 168,000 light years away, so hardly across the universe. But it's more than far enough to knock down dad's weird ideas.

Hey, where you been!? Fried that fish a long time ago.

But I like my new approach better. You see unless space (and time etc) is the same far away, distances are not known for parallax! Of course no one knows that it is the same.

How sweet it is. The universe may be a lot smaller than anyone thought. Who knows?

 

[dad]

ou believe the Bible is inerrantly true, and therefore anything that disagrees with it must be false.

Have to agree with that one

So you make up convoluted explanations in an attempt to explain how a universe that looks billions of years old can actually be thousands of years old.

No. I expose your convoluted same state explanations for the nonsense they are. As for how the bible describes the far past, no one needs to make that up. Wakey wakey.

So why is your god such a liar that he would make a universe look billions of years old look like it is only thousands? I mean, I thought this forum frowned on blasphemy, but here you are claiming your god is as deceptive as they come.

The thing is is doesn't actually look old. So who deceived you into thinking it did??

 

[dad]

SN 1987A

What about it? You thought that it was in space that was the same state? We don't know that. So we don't know how far it is. No need to get into the fact that the rings were not predicted by science, and all the rest of the holes in the standard model look at the thing

 

[dad]

Israel becoming a nation again.

Thanks. I haven't the patience for that sort of thing...

 

[dad]

I was saying that until we have more evidence, for the purposes of dad's thread, his bible is irrelevant.

Then why keep bringing it up? Seems like it is important

 

[VehementisDominus]

Thanks. I haven't the patience for that sort of thing...

What failing?

B) Something completely out of the hands of mankind, for example, a hurricane, an earthquake, a volcanic eruption, a tsunami, etc. This means that it can't possibly be self-fulfilling.


Try again.

You clearly do have time for "that sort of thing", you keep doing it.

 

[VehementisDominus]

Hey, where you been!? Fried that fish a long time ago.

But I like my new approach better. You see unless space (and time etc) is the same far away, distances are not known for parallax! Of course no one knows that it is the same.

Do you even know what parallax is?

The only distance we need to know is the distance between each side of the Earth's orbit.

What you're saying actually makes zero sense.

"distances are not known for parallax!", if you knew what parallax actually was, you'd realise how stupid that sounds.

 

[Chalnoth]

Hey, where you been!? Fried that fish a long time ago.

But I like my new approach better. You see unless space (and time etc) is the same far away, distances are not known for parallax! Of course no one knows that it is the same.

How sweet it is. The universe may be a lot smaller than anyone thought. Who knows?

The distance to SN1987A is also not known by parallax. Only the speed of light matters. And if the speed of light had been faster in the past, then SN1987A would be even further away.

 

[sandwiches]

Of course no one knows that it is the same.

Yea we do. We have the evidence on our side, bud.