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Featured Universalism...why not?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by surrender1, Jun 1, 2017.

  1. God doesn't want all men to be saved.

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  2. God can't do what he wants to do.

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  3. Neither, God will continue to work on unrepentant souls because his love & patience are unending.

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  4. Don't know...never thought about this before.

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  1. Der Alter

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  2. ClementofA

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    Evidently you didn't post any version at all. Which version do you want to "cherry pick" to support your presumptions, as you often do.

    Also i already posted these to you in another thread:

    Rom.5:18:
    Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. (NIV)
    So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. (NASB)
    Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (KJV)

    So your accusation looks quite hollow.
     
  3. ClementofA

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    Then you'ld be changing God's words from "ages of the ages" to "eternal age".
    How does the inspired plural, ages, become the uninspired, singular, age?

    Then Christ's reign does not end as per 1 Cor.15:25-26, but is eternal, which is a contradiction of Scripture.

    When is this alleged "eternal age" supposed to start? Scripture speaks of an end of the ages (Heb.9:26; 1 Cor 10:11).

    If the phrase "into ages of the ages" is used consistently in Revelation to mean "to the eternal age", how does that apply to Rev.22:5? I see you quit responding when you came to that verse.

    https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
     
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  4. ClementofA

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    What do these verses mean to you? Universal salvation?
     
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    No, you assume destruction = endless destruction = endless annihilation.

    Scripture does not say such things. Nor does it support your assumptions or what you are reading into and adding to God's inspired written word.

    Scholar's Corner: The Center for Bible studies in Christian Universalism
     
  6. Der Alter

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    I don't rely on versions as you can see in my post, I quoted from an interlinear. Here is the cherry picked quote I was referring to.
    "Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for all mankind for life's justifying."
    Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just."
    There is a huge difference between the above "the many shall be constituted just" and "righteousness towards all men." in the interlinear I posted. Sure looks cherry picking to me. And OBTW as I have shown to both Paul and Origen αἰώνιος /aionios means eternal.
    2 Corinthians 4:17-18
    (17) For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all.
    (18) So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.[αἰώνιος/aionios]

    2 Corinthians 5:1
    (1) For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] house in heaven, not built by human hands.
    In vs. 4:18 Paul contrasts αἰώνιος/aionios with temporal i.e. temporary. The opposite of "temporal/temporary" is not "ages,""a long time" or any of the other terms URs use to try to redefine aionios.
    .....In vs. 5:1 Paul contrasts our earthly house which "is destroyed" with an αἰώνιος/aionios house in heaven. The opposite of "is destroyed" is not "ages,""a long time" or any of the other terms URs use to try to redefine aionios. But wait there is more.

    Romans 2:7
    (7) To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, [ἀφθαρσία/aphtharsia] eternal[αἰώνιος/aionios] life:

    1 Timothy 1:17
    (17) Now unto the King eternal, [αἰώνιος/aionios] immortal, [ἀφθαρσία/aphtharsia] invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

    Romans 1:23
    (23) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible [ἀφθαρσία/aphtharsia] God into an image made like to corruptible [φθαρσία/phtharsia] man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
    In Rom 2:7 and 1 Tim 1:17 Paul pairs "immortality," ἀφθαρσία/apftharsia with "eternal" αἰώνιος/aionios. αἰώνιος/aionios cannot mean "ages,""a long time" etc. and be paired with "uncorruptible" or "immortality." God cannot be "immortal"/"uncorruptible" and only ages long at the same time.
     
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  7. SBC

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    Universal salvation? No.

    1 Timothy 2
    [3] For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
    [4] Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

    Is it Gods WILL that all should be saved? Of course.
    Does that mean Gods desire or Gods force?

    [4] Who will have all men to be saved,

    We know it is Gods desire; Not force of God doing His WILL;
    Because we are informed it is mankind who is instructed to know Gods WILL, and then it is mankind WHO must do the Father's WILL.

    Matt.12
    [50] For whosoever shall do the will of my Father..

    Mark.3
    [35] For whosoever shall do the will of God...

    Matt.7
    1. [21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    [4] Who will have... and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

    Is it Gods WILL all men come unto the knowledge of the truth?
    Of course.

    Does God force anyone to Hear or Read Scripture?
    Of course not.

    So shall Gods WILL that all men come unto the knowledge of the truth be effected?
    Yes.

    We know this because it is prophecy revealed.
    We know men do not believe; Because they CAN NOT SEE God.
    We know men believe what they CAN SEE.
    We know body's of unbelieving men shall be raised unto hell.
    We know body's of unbelieving men shall be united with their living soul in hell.
    We know those men shall stand before Jesus (The TRUTH) and SEE Him.
    We know those men shall THEN BELIEVE what they have SEEN.
    We know those men shall bow and swear unto the Lord Jesus, (The Truth, the Word of God)

    Isa 45
    [23] I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

    Shall the prophecy of Isa 45 THEN be accomplished? Yes
    Shall these men (body and soul) BE SAVED? No
    Why not?
    Because WHEN their body died, it died in sin, without forgiveness.
    A man without forgiveness, is a man without a born again spirit.
    A man without a born again spirit, is a man without forever Life in him.

    Does anything whatsoever notify us living souls are forgiven and restored (saved), after a body is physically dead?

    Does anything whatsoever notify us dead body are forgiven after they are physically dead?

    God Bless,
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  8. Dartman

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    No, I am interpreting God's words.

    "ages of the ages" means Eternal age. The plural indicates infinity.

    Nope. You simply misunderstand 1 Cor 15:25-28 and Rev 20-22. Jesus doesn't STOP reigning, he turns over the kingdom to his superior, his God. His God, in turn SHARES the throne with His son;
    Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
    Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and His servants shall serve Him:

    When "the heavens and the earth which are now" ends. It is the "new heavens and earth".(2 Peter 3, and Rev 21-22)
    Those verses speak of the end of the Mosaic Law, and previous "ages". Paul is talking about current events to him. Not quite the end of all ages.
    Like I said before "into" is a mistranslation. The correct translation is "TO" the ages of the ages.
    Since you missed it before, I will repeat it.
    The correct translation is TO the ages of the ages.
    The fire lasts TO the ages of the ages, or, another way to say it is; UNTIL the ages of the ages.
    In Rev 22:5 God and the Lamb reign FOR the ages of the ages.
    The Greek word "eis" has that kind of flexibility, a proper interpretation depends on context... including other Scriptures.
     
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  9. ClementofA

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    You're confused. The "many shall be constituted just" is Romans 5:19. Your interlinear was verse 18. They're not even the same verse. You've confused the two & speak as if they are one and the same, when they are not, but two separate and distinct verses.
     
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    What is the basis for saying the scriptures words "ages of the ages" mean "eternal age".



    I don't see any turning over in those verses. But Christ is still reigning so His reign hasn't ended as per 1 Cor.15:25.

    So you opine this alleged "eternal age" begins when the old universe ends.

    What gives you the idea "to" is the correct translation?

    Rev.22:5 is speaking of the saints, that they shall reign EIS "the ages of the ages". Since they would already be in your alleged "eternal age", your interpretation that they shall reign to/until the "eternal age" seems to be out of place & make no sense here.
     
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  11. Der Alter

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    The answer to this question can be found in E.W. Bullinger's "Figures of Speech Used in the Bible"
    Figures of Speech Used in The Bible by E.W. Bullinger Page(s) 189
    The repetition of the same word in the same sense. When the word is repeated in close and immediate succession, no other word or words coming between, it is called Geminatio , a doubling, duplication, a re-doubling . It is also called Iteratio, iteration; Conduplicatio, conduplication , or full doubling .
    When the words do not immediately succeed each other, but are separated by one or more intervening words, the figure is then called Epizeuxis.
    It is a common and powerful way of emphasizing a particular word, by thus marking it and calling attention to it.
    In writing, one might accomplish this by putting the word in larger letters, or by underlining it two or three times. In speaking, it is easy to mark it by expressing it with increased emphasis or vehemence.
    An example from this article.
    Isa. 51 . —In this Scripture we have three calls emphasized by this figure.
    A 1 51:9–11 . A call to the arm of Jehovah:—“ Awake, awake , put on strength, O arm of the LORD .”
    B 1 12–16 . Followed by comfort.
    A 2 17–20 . A call to Jerusalem:—“ Awake, awake , stand up, O Jerusalem.”
    B 2 21–23 . Followed by comfort.
    A 3 52:1 , 2 . A call to Zion:—“ Awake, awake , put on strength, O Zion.”
    B 3 3–12 . Followed by comfort.

     
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    There is another perspective to consider.
    Revelation says that many dead souls will not arise until the thousand years of the Millenium are up.
    So from that view, those folks would be "dead", as in not alive during the reign of Christ and the church.
    So they could be considered "dead" for that period.
    Then it says that at the great white throne, people's works are tested and some are thrown into the lake of fire. The ones whos names were not found in the book of life. That statement makes it sound like not all of them will enter the lake of fire. Why else would they have to check the books?
     
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    God has imposed limits on what he will do in relation to dealing with man. If God had not self-imposed limitations He could save people who don't want to be saved etc, etc.
     
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    It's the same basis as the translators use when they translate "ages of the ages" as; eternal, and forever.
    How long do you think ages of ages lasts?

    Of course you do. Notice, I STARTED with
    1 Cor 15:25-28
    Of course he is still reigning! He is subject to his God, but his God shares the throne with him. It's God's to share with whom ever HE wants, since HE is "all in all"..... the ultimate authority.
    It begins when God makes everything new... and restores the "Paradise of God".

    It is the meaning of the word "eis" in this context, and in harmony with the rest of the Scriptures.
    It's NOT speaking of the saints. It's speaking of God and the Lamb.
    Rev 22:3-5 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and His servants shall serve Him: 4 And they shall see His face; and His name shall be in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they (GOD AND THE LAMB) shall reign for ever and ever.
     
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    All of the mortal survivors of Christ's coming, which are going to die DURING the Millennium, and all of their descendants, who are ALSO going to die DURING the Millennium, will be resurrected WITH those who were not worthy of the 1st resurrection.

    SOME of them will be righteous, and will have their names written in the book of life.
     
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    The same deceptive translations.

    Considering, then, that the Greek word aionios has a range of meanings, biased men should not have rendered the word in Mt.25:46 by their theological opinions as "everlasting". Thus they did not translate the word, but interpreted it. OTOH the versions with age-lasting, eonian & the like gave faithful translations & left the interpreting up to the readers as to what specific meaning within the "range of meanings" the word holds in any specific context. What biased scholars after the Douay & KJV traditions of the dark ages "church" have done is change the words of Scriptures to their own opinions, which is shameful.

    Jeremiah 8:8 "How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie.
    9 "The wise men are put to shame, They are dismayed and caught; Behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD..."

    "After all, not only Walvoord, Buis, and Inge, but all intelligent students acknowledge that olam and aiõn sometimes refer to limited duration. Here is my point: The supposed special reference or usage of a word is not the province of the translator but of the interpreter. Since these authors themselves plainly indicate that the usage of a word is a matter of interpretation, it follows (1) that it is not a matter of translation, and (2) that it is wrong for any translation effectually to decide that which must necessarily remain a matter of interpretation concerning these words in question. Therefore, olam and aiõn should never be translated by the thought of “endlessness,” but only by that of indefinite duration (as in the anglicized transliteration “eon” which appears in the Concordant Version)."

    "Add not to His words, lest He reason with thee, And thou hast been found false."(Prov.30:6)

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    "The Third Law of Theology: For every theologian there is an equal and opposite theologian."

    1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

    https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
     
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    No, you included Revelation, which is what i was clearly referring to.

    God as "all in all" (1 Cor.15:28) has nothing to do with authority, but God "in" every being who ever lived. "To say that "all in all" signifies "the manifestation of God's supremacy"...is very far indeed from the truth...When we say "Christ is my all," what do we mean? That He is our Lord? Yes, and our Saviour and Friend and our Lover, our Wisdom and our Righteousness, and our Holiness--He is everything to us!...And that is just what God wishes to be and what He will be!...Will He be this only in some? No! He will be All in all!...we have said that when the last enemy [death] is abolished, then the Son abdicates and God becomes All in all. If there were still enmity we might imagine God being over all, but with all enmity gone, it is easy to see how He can become All in all...The "kingdom" is given up to the Father, after all sovereignty and authority and power have been abrogated. What kind of a "supremacy" will God "fully manifest" which has no power, no authority, no sovereignty? Thank God, all these elements, which characterized government during the eons, will be utterly unnecessary when the Son of God is finished with His "mediatorial" work. Instead of God's supremacy being fully manifested at that time, it will be entirely absent, and God, as Father, will guide His family by the sweet constraint of love."

    1 Cor.15:22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified." 23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;" 24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power." 25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy is being abolished: death. 27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him." 28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)" (CLV)


    It seems that all the references to "they" & "them" in the context are to the saints only:

    "4 And ***THEY*** shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and ***THEY*** need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth ***THEM*** light: and ***THEY*** shall reign EIS the ages of the ages.

    So i'd have to disagree with you when you claim the reign of Rev.22:5 is "NOT speaking of the saints. It's speaking of God and the Lamb."

    Rev.22:5 is speaking of the saints, that they shall reign EIS "the ages of the ages". Since they would already be in your alleged "eternal age", your interpretation that they shall reign to/until the "eternal age" seems to be out of place & make no sense here. It is a serious problem for your interpretation of "into the ages of the ages" as meaning "to/until the eternal age".

    And the seventh messenger did sound, and there came great voices in the heaven, saying, 'The kingdoms of the world did become those of our Lord and of His Christ, and he shall reign into the ages of the ages!' (Rev.11:15)

    9 And a third angel followed them, calling in loud a voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or hand, 10 he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up into the ages of ages, and they have no respite day and night who do homage to the beast and to its image, and if any one receive the mark of its name. (Rev.14:9-11)

    20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. (Rev.19:20)

    and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- into the ages of the ages. (Rev.20:10)

    3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him. 4 They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads. 5 And night shall not be any more, and no need of a lamp, and light of the sun; for the Lord God shall shine upon them, and they shall reign into the ages of ages. (Rev.22:3-5)

    The verses above indicate Christ & the saints shall be reigning "into the ages of the ages", including the millenial age & the age when the lake of fire (= the 2nd death) is abolished. But 1 Cor.15:25 says Christ's reign is UNTIL He has put all enemies under His feet. Since He is still reigning at the time of Revelation 20-22, all enemies are not yet under His feet. So neither is God yet "All in all" (1 Cor.15:28) nor is death [e.g. 2nd death] abolished yet.

    So death is not abolished (1 Cor.15:26), since that is associated with the end of Christ's reign (v.25) & will not happen till He quits reigning. Also those humans who died a second death in the lake of fire, which is the second death, are still dead, so death is not yet abolished (v.26). As long as the second death remains & is not abolished, death is not abolished as per v.26.

    Neither is "all rule and authority and power" yet nullified (1 Cor.15:24) by Revelation 21-22. There are still kings in the earth (Rev.21:24). There is still the throne of the Lamb & the saints reigning (22:3,5). So neither is death abolished or God "all in all" (1 Cor.15:28).

    God cannot be "all in all" (1 Cor.15:28) while there are still those in the second death & those being tormented in the lake of fire (Rev.14:9-11; 19:20; 20:10).

    In Revelation 22:2 we also have leaves that are for the healing of the nations. Who at this time would need healing?

    Eventually God will be making all new (Rev.21:5) & will be "in all" (1 Cor.15:28).

    And every creature which is in the heaven and upon the earth and under the earth, and those that are upon the sea, and all things in them, heard I saying, To him that sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb, blessing, and honour, and glory, and might, into the ages of ages.(Rev.5:13)

    https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
     
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    Ages ~ it should be known to any man is a time-frame pertaining to "something".

    Repeatedly ~ we are told in scripture, and by common knowledge, age often pertains to mankind.

    We are also told ~ in scripture, age pertains to Gods word, being present, with his creations, called mankind. (also angels)

    We are also told ~ in scripture, age pertains to a time-frame.

    We are also told ~ in scripture, age pertains to a time-frame regarding angels.

    Specific to the age of time, God and mankind ~ from the beginning of mankind ~ Gods word, has been WITH mankind.

    Specific to the age of time, we find, mankind accepting AND rejecting Gods word.
    (some ages of time; mankind is more accepting of Gods word.)
    (some ages of time; mankind is more rejecting of Gods word.)

    From BEFORE the beginning of mankind; we know Gods word existed, when He was preparing a PLACE for His intended creation of mankind to have a PLACE to habitat;
    Gen 1 [3] And God said...

    During mankind's; (from beginning to present) existence we are continuously given scriptural knowledge; of the presence of Gods word in mankind's ears; and effects of Gods word upon mankind's habitat (called earth).

    We are further told; there will come a time of mankind's changing, and of mankind's habit changing; and a last warning of all occupying the earth to reveal their own choices to hear and believe Gods word or reject it and the consequences thereof.

    We are told of the preparations being made in heaven and occupants of heaven being abreast of the coming age of changes on earth about to commence.

    Rev 8
    [13] And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

    We are told of the last call to the inhabitants on earth before the coming age of changes on earth commence.

    Rev 14
    [6] And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
    [7] Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
    [8] And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
    [9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    [10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
    [11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

    Ages of the ages ~ is simply ALL TIME-frames that affect all things an "age" in scripture reveals -

    Gods word, angels, mankind, the earth, the heavens; things that are everlasting (not created); things created; things restored; things destroyed; things forever WITH God; things forever WITHOUT God.

    God Bless,
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    The same nonsense from tents-я-us copy/pasted over and over and over as if by constant repetition it somehow becomes true. To quote you.
    "Why should i respond to those cut & paste quotes from another person, not you? Is there some point to it all?"
    Here are a few OT verses where עולם/olam definitely means forever. I think God knew what He was talking about when He said "YHWH... is my name forever עולם/olam." Note the frequent use of the figure of speech Epizeuxis, repetition of a word for emphasis. e.g. "for ever [עולם/olam] and ever. [עולם/olam]" Also a number of times [עד/ad] is paired with [עולם/olam] emphasizing the eternity.
    Exodus 3:15
    (15) And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever,[עולם/olam] and this is my memorial unto all generations.

    1 Chronicles 16:36
    (36) Blessed be the LORD God of Israel for ever [עולם/olam] and ever. [עולם/olam] And all the people said, Amen, and praised the LORD.

    1 Chronicles 29:10
    (10) Wherefore David blessed the LORD before all the congregation: and David said, Blessed be thou, LORD God of Israel our father, for ever [עולם/olam] and ever.[עולם/olam]

    Nehemiah 9:5
    (5) Then the Levites, Jeshua, and Kadmiel, Bani, Hashabniah, Sherebiah, Hodijah, Shebaniah, and Pethahiah, said, Stand up and bless the LORD your God for ever [עולם/olam] and ever:[עולם/olam] and blessed be thy glorious name, which is exalted above all blessing and praise.

    Psalms 21:4
    (4) He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever [עולם/olam] and ever.[עד/ad]

    Psalms 45:6
    (6) Thy throne, O God, is for ever [עולם/olam] and ever:[עד/ad] the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

    Psalms 45:17
    (17) I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations: therefore shall the people praise thee [עולם/olam] and ever:[עד/ad]

    Psalms 103:17
    (17) But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting [עולם/olam] to everlasting [עולם/olam] upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

    Psalms 106:48
    (48) Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting [עולם/olam] to everlasting: [עולם/olam] and let all the people say, Amen. Praise ye the LORD.

    Psalms 111:8
    (8) They stand fast for ever [עד/ad] and ever, [עולם/olam] and are done in truth and uprightness.

    Psalms 119:44
    (44) So shall I keep thy law continually for ever [עולם/olam] and ever.[עד/ad]

    Psalms 145:1
    (1) David's Psalm of praise. I will extol thee, my God, O king; and I will bless thy name for ever [עולם/olam] and ever.[עד/ad]

    Isaiah 30:8
    (8) Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever [עד/ad] and ever: [עולם/olam]

    Isaiah 59:21
    (21) And as for Me, this is My covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and My words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth [עד/ad] and for ever. [עולם/olam]

    Ezekiel 27:36
    (36) The merchants among the people shall hiss at thee; thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt be any more. [עד־עולם/ad-olam]

    Ezekiel 28:19
    (19) All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. [עד־עולם/ad-olam]

    Daniel 12:2
    (2) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting [עולם/olam] life, and some to shame and everlasting [עולם/olam] contempt.

    Daniel 12:3
    (3) And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever [עולם/olam] and ever. [עד/ad]

    Micah 4:5
    (5) For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever [עולם/olam] and ever.[עד/ad]

    Micah 4:7
    (7) And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, [עד/ad] even for ever.[עולם/olam]
    ETA:
    Figures of Speech Used in The Bible by E.W. Bullinger Page(s) 189 See at Silva Rhetoricae (rhetoric.byu.edu)
    The repetition of the same word in the same sense. When the word is repeated in close and immediate succession, no other word or words coming between, it is called Geminatio , a doubling, duplication, a re-doubling . It is also called Iteratio, iteration; Conduplicatio, conduplication , or full doubling .
    When the words do not immediately succeed each other, but are separated by one or more intervening words, the figure is then called Epizeuxis.
    It is a common and powerful way of emphasizing a particular word, by thus marking it and calling attention to it.
    In writing, one might accomplish this by putting the word in larger letters, or by underlining it two or three times. In speaking, it is easy to mark it by expressing it with increased emphasis or vehemence.
    Example(s)
    Bullinger's examples:
    Gen. 9:25 . A servant of servants shall [Canaan] be: i.e. , the lowest and most degraded of servants, or the most abject slave.
    Ex. 26:33 , etc. Holy of holies. In A.V. : the most holy.
    Num. 3:32 . Chief of the chief. In A.V. : chief over the chief.
    Deut. 10:17 . For Jehovah your Elohim is Elohai of the Elohim , and Adonai of the Adonim , a great El. * In A.V. and R.V. this is rendered, The LORD your God is God of Gods, and Lord of Lords, a great God, etc.
    1 Kings 8:27 . The heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee: i.e. , the highest heaven. Ecc. 1:2 , etc. Vanity of vanities : i.e. , the greatest vanity.
    Song Sol. 1:1 . The song of songs , i.e. , the most beautiful or excellent song.
    Dan. 2:37 . Ezek. 26:17 . A king of kings : i.e. , the most mighty king.
    Dan. 2:47 . God of gods : i.e. , the great, living, or true God. The most mighty God.
    Dan. 8:25 . The Prince of princes : i.e. , the most powerful Prince.
    Hos. 10:15 . So shall Bethel do unto you because of your great wickedness. The figure is here translated, and given in the margin Hebrew, the evil of your evil .
    Micah 2:4 . A lamentation of lamentations , i.e. , a great lamentation. See above, page 278 . Phil. 3:5 . A Hebrew of the Hebrews , i.e. , a thorough Hebrew. See this verse under Asyndeton
    1 Tim. 6:15 . The King of kings, and Lord of lords.
    Compare Rev. 17:14 and 19:16 . Rev. 1:6 . The ages of the ages , i.e. , to the remotest age, for ever and ever.
    http://www.biblicalresearchjournal.org/brj-pages_pdf/001ewb_figures_of_speech.pdf


     
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  20. Dartman

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    This is fairly accurate. What you have NOT addressed is the value of context.
    Context, both immediate .... AND the entire scope of Scripture on that topic ... is what destroys universalist notions.

    The Scriptures are CONSISTENTLY contrasting the rewards of the wicked and the righteous.
    Universalist doctrine results in "life" for all mankind (in some teachings all beings, including Satan)... and this directly contradicts the CONSTANT message of OT and NT.
     
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