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Unforgivable Sin...

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my youth pastor once told me i shouldnt concentrate on this much until i was a bit older.. he said that i should concentrate on my walk with God.. that was about 2 years ago.. but i cant help to think.. this blasphemy of the holy spirit was it? rejection of the holy spirit? its all fuzzy could someone real educated please clarify :scratch:
 

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mtn_esker said:
my youth pastor once told me i shouldnt concentrate on this much until i was a bit older.. he said that i should concentrate on my walk with God.. that was about 2 years ago.. but i cant help to think.. this blasphemy of the holy spirit was it? rejection of the holy spirit? its all fuzzy could someone real educated please clarify :scratch:
You have to take it in the context with which it was said.

Matthew 12:24-32

24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


If you do, you'll see that Jesus was speaking of attributing the works of God by the power of satan.
 
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If you sincerely ask God for forgiveness of any sin, He is faithful to forgive you, If you feel convicted of your sin, the Holy Spirit has not withdrawn from you. If the Holy Spirit is at work in you to convict you of your sin, you can not have committed the unforgivable sin. For someone to be unforgivable, his or her heart must be so hard that they no longer want to be forgiven for their sin.
 
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DanHead said:
If you sincerely ask God for forgiveness of any sin, He is faithful to forgive you, If you feel convicted of your sin, the Holy Spirit has not withdrawn from you. If the Holy Spirit is at work in you to convict you of your sin, you can not have committed the unforgivable sin. For someone to be unforgivable, his or her heart must be so hard that they no longer want to be forgiven for their sin.
I agree. To commit something unforgivable, you wouldn't even care that you sinned.
 
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If you attribute the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil, you would be in trouble. (I assume you haven't done that.) Because apparently the Holy Spirit stops convicting you and drawing you to God at that point. You no longer want forgiveness.

As the others have said, if you WANT forgiveness, you haven't done it.
 
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I seriously doubt that you are guilty of blasphemy against the Spirit.

but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, shall not be forgiven unto men: by which is meant, not every ignorant denial of, and opposition to his deity and personality; nor all resistance of him in the external ministry of the word; nor every sin that is knowingly and wilfully committed; but it is a despiteful usage of the Spirit of grace, an opposing, contradicting, and denying the operations wrought, or doctrines revealed by him, against a man's own light and conscience, out of wilful and obstinate malice, on purpose to lessen the glory of God, and gratify his own lusts: such was the sin of the Scribes and Pharisees; who, though they knew the miracles of Christ were wrought by the Spirit of God, yet maliciously and obstinately imputed them to the devil, with a view to obscure the glory of Christ, and indulge their own wicked passions and resentments against him; which sin was unpardonable at that present time, as well as under that dispensation then to come, when the Spirit of God was poured down in a more plenteous manner.

(z) Tanchuma apud Buxtorf. Heb. Florileg. p. 126.
 
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Hi

This subject comes up many times at CF and there is never real agreement on what this measn . . I have made several responses in many areas in which I share a little of what happened to me when I encountered this sin . . . and I can tell you that there is a real and specific sin which Jesus calls the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, but I cannot tell you here exactly what that is . . . but I can tell you that if someone is at all worried that they have committed it, they have not as this worry is proof that they have not committed it . .

Here is a post I made about it in OBOB:


WE have had this discussion several times lately here on OBOB . .

First .. if you are at all concerned that you have committed it . . you haven't . . :) Your concern is proof that you have not committed it . .

While in one sense I agree with (name removed) that if you die unrepentent, you are not forgiven your sins, that goes without saying . .

But there is a particular sin that is unforgivable and that it is related to the context in which Jesus said the Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit would not be forgiven in this age, or in the age to come . . the Pharisees had just accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of Satan . . and they did it with malice . .

The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is tied to this . . the act of attributing the work of the Holy Spirit to that of demonic power is the beginning of this, but not itself the sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit . .if one were to commit this sin, they could only do it fully knowing what they were doing and what its consequences were . . and do it on purpose . .

So yes, final unrepentence means no forgiveness of sins . . but that is not what Jesus was speaking of in the context of the passage where it is found . .

Througout the history of the Church this sin has been understood in various ways . .here is an entry from the Catholic Encyclopedia

VIII. SINS AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST



The sin or blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is mentioned in Matthew 12:22-32; Mark 3:22-30; Luke 12:10 (cf. 11:14-23); and Christ everywhere declares that it shall not be pardoned. In what does it consist? If we examine all the passages alluded to, there can be little doubt as to the reply.

Let us take, for instance, the account given by St. Matthew which is more complete than that of the other Synoptics. There had been brought to Christ "one possessed with a devil, blind and dumb: and he healed him, so that he spoke and saw". While the crowd is wondering, and asking: "Is not this the Son of David?", the Pharisees, yielding to their wonted jealousy, and shutting their eyes to the light of evidence, say: "This man casteth not out devils but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils." Jesus then proves to them this absurdity, and, consequently, the malice of their explanation; He shows them that it is by "the Spirit of God" that He casts out devils, and then He concludes: "therefore I say to you: Ever sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not he forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come."

So, to sin against the Holy Ghost is to confound Him with the spirit of evil, it is to deny, from pure malice, the Divine character of works manifestly Divine. This is the sense in which St. Mark also defines the sin question; for, after reciting the words of the Master: "But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost shall never have forgiveness", he adds at once: "Because they said: He hath an unclean spirit." With this sin of pure downright malice, Jesus contrasts the sin "against the Son of man", that is the sin committed against Himself as man, the wrong done to His humanity in judging Him by His humble and lowly appearance. This fault, unlike the former, might he excused as the result of man's ignorance and misunderstanding.

But the Fathers of the Church, commenting on the Gospel texts we are treating of, did not confine themselves to the meaning given above. Whether it be that they wished to group together all objectively analogous cases, or whether they hesitated and wavered when confronted with this point of doctrine, which St. Augustine declares (Serm. ii de verbis Domini, c. v) one of the most difficult in Scripture, they have proposed different interpretations or explanations.

St. Thomas, whom we may safely follow, gives a very good summary of opinions in II-II, Q. xiv. He says that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost was and may be explained in three ways.
  • Sometimes, and in its most literal signification, it has been taken to mean the uttering of an insult against the Divine Spirit, applying the appellation either to the Holy Ghost or to all three Divine persons. This was the sin of the Pharisees, who spoke at first against "the Son of Man", criticizing the works and human ways of Jesus, accusing Him of loving good cheer and wine, of associating with the publicans, and who, later on, with undoubted bad faith, traduced His Divine works, the miracles which He wrought by virtue of His own Divinity.
  • On the other hand, St. Augustine frequently explains blasphemy against the Holy Ghost to be final impenitence, perseverance till death in mortal sin. This impenitence is against the Holy Ghost, in the sense that it frustrates and is absolutely opposed to the remission of sins, and this remission is appropriated to the Holy Ghost, the mutual love of the Father and the Son. In this view, Jesus, in Matthew 12 and Mark 3 did not really accuse the Pharisees of blaspheming the Holy Ghost, He only warned them against the danger they were in of doing so.
  • Finally, several Fathers, and after them, many scholastic theologians, apply the expression to all sins directly opposed to that quality which is, by appropriation, the characteristic quality of the Third Divine Person. Charity and goodness are especially attributed to the Holy Ghost, as power is to the Father and wisdom to the Son. Just, then, as they termed sins against the Father those that resulted from frailty, and sins against the Son those that sprang from ignorance, so the sins against the Holy Ghost are those that are committed from downright malice, either by despising or rejecting the inspirations and impulses which, having been stirred in man's soul by the Holy Ghost, would turn him away or deliver him from evil.
It is easy to see how this wide explanation suits all the circumstances of the case where Christ addresses the words to the Pharisees. These sins are commonly reckoned six: despair, presumption, impenitence or a fixed determination not to repent, obstinacy, resisting the known truth, and envy of another's spiritual welfare. The sins against the Holy Ghost are said to be unpardonable, but the meaning of this assertion will vary very much according to which of the three explanations given above is accepted. As to final impenitence it is absolute; and this is easily understood, for even God cannot pardon where there is no repentance, and the moment of death is the fatal instant after which no mortal sin is remitted. It was because St. Augustine considered Christ's words to imply absolute unpardonableness that he held the sin against the Holy Ghost to be solely final impenitence. In the other two explanations, according to St. Thomas, the sin against the Holy Ghost is remissable -- not absolutely and always, but inasmuch as (considered in itself) it has not the claims and extenuating circumstance, inclining towards a pardon, that might be alleged in the case of sins of weakness and ignorance. He who, from pure and deliberate malice, refuses to recognize the manifest work of God, or rejects the necessary means of salvation, acts exactly like a sick man who not only refuses all medicine and all food, but who does all in his power to increase his illness, and whose malady becomes incurable, due to his own action. It is true, that in either case, God could, by a miracle, overcome the evil; He could, by His omnipotent intervention, either nuillify the natural causes of bodily death, or radically change the will of the stubborn sinner; but such intervention is not in accordance with His ordinary providence; and if he allows the secondary causes to act, if He offers the free human will of ordinary but sufficient grace, who shall seek cause of complaint? In a word, the irremissableness of the sins against the Holy Ghost is exclusively on the part of the sinner, on account of the sinner's act.
A key element to keep in mind is that there has to be pure and deliberate malice . . .

I hope this helps!


Peace in Him!
 
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God wouldn't command us to not commit the unforgivable sin if we couldn't do it. And as for the comments above, the unforgivable sin is indeed where you say an act of God was done by the devil. In Matthew, the example is, of course, the priests saying what Jesus was doing, healing the lame and sick, was because of a demon inside of Him. Man is able to do this, but also believe in it. It's one thing to say it, another to take it to heart like taking the true fact that Jesus died on the cross to pay for our sins to heart.
Anyone can deny God exists or Jesus exists... This is just a choice we are given in the first place. I don't see any reason I need to know them perfectly to deny His existance. Most deny Him because they DON'T know Jesus Christ as their savior and have a relationship with Him.

Just to drive the point.... from www.dictionary.com

BLASPHEMY - Blas"phe*my\, n. [L. blasphemia, Gr. ?: cf. OF. blasphemie.] 1. An indignity offered to God in words, writing, or signs; impiously irreverent words or signs addressed to, or used in reference to, God; speaking evil of God; also, the act of claiming the attributes or prerogatives of deity
 
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SirFei said:
BLASPHEMY - Blas"phe*my\, n. [L. blasphemia, Gr. ?: cf. OF. blasphemie.] 1. An indignity offered to God in words, writing, or signs; impiously irreverent words or signs addressed to, or used in reference to, God; speaking evil of God; also, the act of claiming the attributes or prerogatives of deity
So, would faking the gift of tongues, or any action power like that, be considered Blashemy against the Spirit?
 
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HomeBound said:
So, would faking the gift of tongues, or any action power like that, be considered Blashemy against the Spirit?
It takes a real knowledge of God, having tasted the goodness and forgiveness of God to commit the unpardonable sin. That's why it is better to have never known God than to know Him and then turn one's back to Him.

2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
 
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The whole idea of the unforgivable sin can be summed up rather easily.

The only sin which can not be forgiven is rejection of Christ. If Christ is rejected there is no mediator, no attonement, no forgivness, no fellowship, and--no hope. That is the essence of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Bob Moore said:
The whole idea of the unforgivable sin can be summed up rather easily.

The only sin which can not be forgiven is rejection of Christ. If Christ is rejected there is no mediator, no attonement, no forgivness, no fellowship, and--no hope. That is the essence of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
If its rejection of Jesus (which I dont agree with) why would it be said that, if you say something against God or Jesus it will be forgiven but not the Holy Spirit?

Matthew 12:31-32

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
 
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Not quite. Even unrepented sin can be forgiven, but open and hostile rejection of the Spirit can not be forgiven because it is open rejection of God.

You are mistaken...God is Just and can not tolerate ANY sin. All sin must be repented of in order to be forgiven. Indeed God is the one who gives the Grace so that we may repent of our sin.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit must be a final refusal to repent, or final impenitence.

I agree with this view. It is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church states...a briefer version of it anyways. And it is the Truth...

This issue is quite simple...There is no sin beyond God's Ability for God to forgive for God is Almighty. But when one rejects Jesus Christ the only means of attaining forgiveness one rejects God's Forgivness through Christ.

Therefore the only Unforgiveble sin is Final Impentience. That is as long as we are alive there is hope for Salvation.
 
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HomeBound said:
If its rejection of Jesus (which I dont agree with) why would it be said that, if you say something against God or Jesus it will be forgiven but not the Holy Spirit?

You ought to agree with it because it is the truth.

Rejection of Jesus is blasphemy of the Spirit because it is the Spirit that testifies to us of Him. If we reject that testimony, we call the Holy Spirit a liar, refuse the sacrifice of Jesus, and then there is as I said above "no mediator, no attonement, no forgivness, no fellowship, and--no hope."

Speaking an idle word against Jesus or the Father is forgivable. If it wasn't, then no man could be saved because all men have cursed God at some time in their lives by thought, word, or deed.
 
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